Artie Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 My doubt concerns the rocker covers......were they individually removable or were they moulded as an one piece engine cover....???? TIA and best regards.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggers Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 AFAIK,the top cowling was all one piece for either Griffon or Merlin engined Spits. Edgar will know for certain. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Nuff said Please note this is a Shack converted Griffon fitted. so the cast in lifting eyes on the rocker cover have been machined down to allow it to clear the cowlings. but the rocker cover is the same....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 They were an all-in-one item, with the covers worked to shape in rollers. The shape, and size, actually differed very little from the Merlin-engined variants. The only fasteners were around the edges of the cowling, and the number was increased, for the Griffon, to ensure that the cowling fitted down as tight as possible, since any air leaks caused drag. The number of fasteners was increased, on the VII, VIII, IX & XI, as well, from 27-11-44. Edgar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 I am lost now, are we talking the cowlings? they differ a lot from the merlin version as it has the bulges added for the rocker covers to fit under. the bulge is riveted into the a cut out in the cowling........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) I have to admit that this is not an area that I've studied, at all. All I have is Peter Cooke's memory, his drawings, and the Supermarine drawing below. This is for the Seafire 46, but appears to show that the bulges were worked in, not separate items. The gun covers were not separate items, so Supermarine certainly had the ability to work metal to very tight curves. Edgar Edited September 2, 2008 by Edgar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) Will post you a picture tonight I took today showing them Edgar I am gonna look stupid here, but who is Peter Cooke ? Do you have many drawings Edgar? Edited September 2, 2008 by TonyT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Posted September 2, 2008 Author Share Posted September 2, 2008 Thank you for your input, Sirs. I find it very useful. I'm trying to build an old Hobbycraft 1/48 scale Supermarine Seafire Mk.XV (wich I'd like to build as a Royal Canadian Navy example), and the kit's bulges are somehow crappy. I'm trying to update them, so your info is quite useful. Cheers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) I am gonna look stupid here, but who is Peter Cooke ? Do you have many drawings Edgar? Not stupid, just (unfairly) young, I suspect. Back in the 70s, he was IPMS (UK) National Champion, with an Airfix 1/24 Spitfire converted to a XIV; the following year, he won again, with a scratchbuilt 1/24 Tempest; the following year, he should have won again, with a 1/24 Sea Fury, but, after a hurried meeting, the then committee declared that they'd instituted a new rule (that you couldn't be champion more than once,) so they awarded the title to a dreadfully embarrassed Tony Woolett (who hadn't even won his class, coming second to Peter.) Peter then went professional, selling resin Spitfires, Hurricanes, Mosquitoes, Mustangs, and Lancasters, all in 1/24th scale. He has retired, but, if you can find a book entitled "Scratch Built, A Celebration of the Static Scale Airplane Modeller's Craft," it's a co-written effort, together with John Alcorn and George Lee, and it gives a perfect idea of their craft. I have some of Peter's photos on my computer, not just complete airframes, but parts, too. His drawings were published by Nexus, in Scale Models, consisting of the XII, XIV, and XIX, and should still be available from their successors, whoever they are, now (I can't keep up with it!) My sole remaining copy is decidedly tatty, since I passed my best set on to a manufacturer, who wants to produce a XIV, in 1/24th scale. Peter admits that he got the fuselages slightly wrong, in side profile, but has supplied me with a corrected drawing of the XIX fuselage. It was Peter, incidentally, who first caused mayhem, in the modelling world, when he spotted the "hump," in the IX cowling. Edgar Edited September 2, 2008 by Edgar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 (edited) Not stupid, just (unfairly) young, I suspect. Back in the 70s, he was IPMS (UK) National Champion, with an Airfix 1/24 Spitfire converted to a XIV; the following year, he won again, with a scratchbuilt 1/24 Tempest; the following year, he should have won again, with a 1/24 Sea Fury, but, after a hurried meeting, the then committee declared that they'd instituted a new rule (that you couldn't be champion more than once,) so they awarded the title to a dreadfully embarrassed Tony Woolett (who hadn't even won his class, coming second to Peter.) Peter then went professional, selling resin Spitfires, Hurricanes, Mosquitoes, Mustangs, and Lancasters, all in 1/24th scale. He has retired, but, if you can find a book entitled "Scratch Built, A Celebration of the Static Scale Airplane Modeller's Craft," it's a co-written effort, together with John Alcorn and George Lee, and it gives a perfect idea of their craft. I have some of Peter's photos on my computer, not just complete airframes, but parts, too. His drawings were published by Nexus, in Scale Models, consisting of the XII, XIV, and XIX, and should still be available from their successors, whoever they are, now (I can't keep up with it!) My sole remaining copy is decidedly tatty, since I passed my best set on to a manufacturer, who wants to produce a XIV, in 1/24th scale. Peter admits that he got the fuselages slightly wrong, in side profile, but has supplied me with a corrected drawing of the XIX fuselage. It was Peter, incidentally, who first caused mayhem, in the modelling world, when he spotted the "hump," in the IX cowling. Edgar Hmm Edgar....... So what would you say if I said to you would you like a CD with 622mb's of original Spitfire drawings on it? Sorry for the delay Artie, something came up, but have some photos for you to go with Edgars excellent pictures Will try again tomorrow to up them. Edited September 3, 2008 by TonyT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyT Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 As requested to go with Edgars excellent drawing.... as you can see over the years they have gathered quite a few repairs, as for the working (loose looking) rivets, they are not, it is just the flash makes them look bad. Hope they help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 He has retired, but, if you can find a book entitled "Scratch Built, A Celebration of the Static Scale Airplane Modeller's Craft," it's a co-written effort, together with John Alcorn and George Lee, and it gives a perfect idea of their craft. Bringing this thread back from the dead, I sought out this book on the above recommendation, and it arrived today. It is excellent, and gives a true insight into various scratch building disciplines. I'd recommend it to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) It's also a somewhat embarrassing thread, seeing what I thought I knew, four years ago, compared to what I've learnt since; a classic case of a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Edited November 30, 2012 by Edgar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 An excellent opportunity to state the bleedin' obvious, as most will think it- but maybe it'll help someone... The rocker cover bulges for the upper cowl were separate parts, but they were riveted to the basic upper cowling panel to become as one. They actually nest inside the basic panel, so you tend to see an honest to goodness recessed panel line around the "bulge". So, neglecting access hatches, when you remove the cowling from a Spit, the whole top (above the exhausts) comes off in one BIG piece. There are numerous replacement bulges available in 1/48, and I haven't yet done a careful study of all options to determine which is accompanied by angelic choirs and a holy glow. Perhaps once I get my mitts on an Airfix XIX I'll launch the Inquisition. (I'm pretty sure Hobbycraft won't be the answer!) bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark12 Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) My latest model 1:1 Edited November 30, 2012 by Mark12 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMChladek Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Please don't tell me the tail section from that bird is sitting in your kitchen area. How the heck are you supposed to drive that thing to work anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingerbob Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Mark, I believe that fuselage is short by about 2mm. (A bit of a modelling inside joke, in case you're wondering what I'm talking about.) bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 My lastest model 1:1 Errr....... thats.......... well............ blimey..................... Care to share the rest of it??? Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzo the Magnificent Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 My lastest model 1:1 Okay... that's just showing off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 You do realise the camouflage pattern doesn't match, on the cowling, I suppose? Edgar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMChladek Posted November 30, 2012 Share Posted November 30, 2012 Heck with the camo pattern, whomever scribed in those panel lines did a sloppy job! That thing needs a coat of Mr. Surfacer ASAP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark12 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 You do realise the camouflage pattern doesn't match, on the cowling, I suppose? Edgar Yes I have, and that is how it flew for several years. But not on this Spitfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggers Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Ah,but does anyone(other than gingerbob,Edgar and self )know who the man AND his machine actually are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Thompson Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Bringing this thread back from the dead I'm glad you did - the photos in posts 11 and 15 are excellent reference material! Thank you, and thanks also to TonyT and Mark12. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 No problem. Another great reference for Griffon Spit' modellers is 'BORN AGAIN' Spitfire PS 915, ISBN 0-904597174-1. My copy arrived today, after grabbing it on EBay for 26p! Lots of detailed pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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