AnonymousER99 Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Hi all Am I to understand that all FA2s are indeed refurbished FRS.1 Sea Harriers?? I was always under the impression that the SHAR were new airframes. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J35 Draken Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I think they were a mix of FRS1s and new builds. Don't know if there are any differences between the two types of FA2's though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary West Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I think they were a mix of FRS1s and new builds. That's my understanding too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murfv Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Hi allAm I to understand that all FA2s are indeed refurbished FRS.1 Sea Harriers?? I was always under the impression that the SHAR were new airframes. Mike As I understand from SAM Modelers Datafile for the Sea Harrier, 35 surviving FRS1 aircraft were converted to FA2 between 1989 and 1996 with an additional 18 new build FA2's being delivered between 1995 and 1999. Murfv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousER99 Posted February 7, 2008 Author Share Posted February 7, 2008 Thanks guys So this means that many of the FA2s flying (or at least a few) are combat vets from the Falklands War then I would imagine. Very cool indeed!! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J35 Draken Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 (edited) Thanks guysSo this means that many of the FA2s flying (or at least a few) are combat vets from the Falklands War then I would imagine. Very cool indeed!! Mike Past tense! Edited February 7, 2008 by J35 Draken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamienB Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 FA2s flying? There's only one in (nearly) airworthy nick... in the USA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousER99 Posted February 7, 2008 Author Share Posted February 7, 2008 Thats what I meant chaps....Some FA2s were Falkland vets........sorry for the faux pax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlamgat9 Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 RIP SHAR - you are sadly missed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entlim Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 FA2s flying? There's only one in (nearly) airworthy nick... in the USA... after a bad landing..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
typhoon Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 As I understand it there were 9 Falklands FRS.1s that were converted to FA2s they were: XZ492 XZ459 XZ455 XZ457 XZ494 XZ499 ZA176 XZ495 ZA175 This info is contain in the IPMS Harrier Sig notes on the Falklands Harrier force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 ZH796 to ZH813 were new builds (the last delivered in 1999!!!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousER99 Posted February 7, 2008 Author Share Posted February 7, 2008 As I understand it there were 9 Falklands FRS.1s that were converted to FA2s they were:XZ492 XZ459 XZ455 XZ457 XZ494 XZ499 ZA176 XZ495 ZA175 This info is contain in the IPMS Harrier Sig notes on the Falklands Harrier force. How does one join the Harrier SIG? Do they accept us Westerners without accents?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard E Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 As I understand it there were 9 Falklands FRS.1s that were converted to FA2s they were:XZ492 XZ459 XZ455 XZ457 XZ494 XZ499 ZA176 XZ495 ZA175 This info is contain in the IPMS Harrier Sig notes on the Falklands Harrier force. Which (by my counting) means that 22 of the original batches of Sea Harriers were lost either in accidents or in action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bradley Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 after a bad landing..................... Not so much a bad landing as an undercarriage failure after a systems failure. http://www.aeroplanemonthly.com/news/Priva...ews_165005.html A bad landing you could blame on a bad pilot. A systems failure you could blame on a bad design.......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Additionally the only airworthy(ish) SHAR FRS1 XZ439 ( a pre-production batch a/c) was updated to full FA2 standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 How does one join the Harrier SIG? Do they accept us Westerners without accents?? Oh yes, we have septics on board! http://harrier.hyperlinx.cz/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entlim Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 (edited) Not so much a bad landing as an undercarriage failure after a systems failure. http://www.aeroplanemonthly.com/news/Priva...ews_165005.html A bad landing you could blame on a bad pilot. A systems failure you could blame on a bad design.......................... A bad landing is a bad landing It's on Art's website Edited February 8, 2008 by entlim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andwhiteley Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Great site here http://www.targetlock.org.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bradley Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 A bad landing is a bad landing It's on Art's website This from Art's website: http://www.nallsaviation.com/updates/15.htm And in any case, isn't the definition of a good landing "one that you can walk away from!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xffw45343tg Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 A bad landing is a bad landing It's on Art's website The landing gear collapsed because pressure was lost from the hydraulic system through a capped connector in the system that was present on account of the aircraft's former testing role (and not present in production aircraft). Art's team would be entirely forgiven for not knowing it was there (as it would not be described in his documentation) so the root cause of the incident could not easily be laid at their door. Likewise, it is hardly a failure of design; the system had been adapted for its intended purpose. As has been said, the pilot landed with considerable skill and walked away from the plane. The irony in all this is that there is an emergency backup system designed to blow down the landing gear with compressed nitrogen in just such circumstances. It is debatable whether this system would have worked if fired given the amount of fluid lost from the system, but the point is entirely academic - the US authorities will not let civilians have the necessary explosive cartridges used by the system (although running a 7 tonne ex-military jet is apparently OK). The team are modifying the backup system to use solenoids to replace the cartridges... It always amazes me how willing people are to have a dig at the efforts of others. Surely Art is to be congratulated and encouraged for getting the a/c down in one (ish) piece. Or would we rather only see SHARs in 1/48th etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneheadff Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 (edited) Hi Mike, I have the SAM Publications Sea Harrier book with the listing of all Sea Harriers and their fate. Send me your email and I will send you a scan of the list. Cheers, Alex Edited February 9, 2008 by coneheadff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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