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  1. Sgt.Squarehead

    2 Big & Too Heavy!

    Howdy folks! Bubba's the name.....Just got my wings and itching to see my new steed. Apparently it's a super long range high altitude escort, so I'm counting on it being one of those P-51 Mustangs..... Aww shoot!
  2. Introduction This thread was started intending to unite those interested in building the Fiat 806 based on thorough research and photogrammetry. See also the great Fiat 806 Gangshow build album. In the current thread there will be (at least I hope people will post) extensive research on the original car, photographs, drawings, literature and archives. Beside that the thread will feature scratchbuilding progress based on the findings. Perhaps in the future there could be exchanges of resin molded scratch parts, just like Vontrips kindly did with the tyres (for example: body panels / grille?) Index To start off I have gone through all of the Gangshow topic and I indexed all knowhow. Best way to use it: click a link, go back and click the next link etc. Or open the links in a separate browser tab. Each link represents one post only, so it's better to only read that post, come back to the index and click the next link. The index was created having in mind those who are about to work on a certain subject, such as the steering wheel. For the index, see end of this opening post. Visual reference material First a legal disclaimer. All images are used for educational and referential purposes. Copyrights lie with the copyright holders. Centro Storico Fiat is probably the original copyright holder of many of these images. Centro Storico's website can be accessed here and here. It has a Facebook page here. Be sure to have a look at their great collection of photos of classic Fiat and Lancia cars. Centro Storico also has frequent Twitter updates featuring photographs, see here. Drawing 6 was found here. All copyrights of the photos / screenshots 10-19 lie with Cinecitta Luce. My presentation of the low-definition photos on this forum is just for reference and educational purposes, for the purpose of a hobby. I do not have a corporate license for the use of these images. If at any point in time Cinecitta Luce wishes these pictures removed I will remove them upon first request. The pictures are not to be reproduced on another website or another written work. Please, all, respect Cinecitta Luce's copyrights. Their website is to be found here. All rights to Photo 9 lie with Fotogeca Gilardi, see here. There you can inquire about the cost to purchase a license of a full-scale version of Photo 9. Some pictures of the Fiat 806, such as Photo 1, Photo 2, Drawing 2, Drawing 3 and Drawing 6, are larger than shown here. To enlarge, right-click on the picture and choose 'open new tab', then click on the picture on the new tab. Photo 1A Photo 1AA Photo 1AAA Photo 1B Photo 2 Photo 2, amended by Hannes Photo 3 Photo 4A Photo 4B Photo 5 Photo 6A Photo 6B Photo 7A Photo 7B Photo 7C Photo 7D Photo 7E Photo 7F Photo 8A Photo 8B Photo 9 Photo 10 Photo 11 Photo 12 Photo 13 Photo 14 Photo 15 Photo 16 Photo 17 Photo 18 Photo 19 Photo 20 Photo 21 Photo 22 Photo 23A Photo 23B Photo 23C Photo 24 Photo 25 Photo 26 Photo 27 Photo 28A Photo 28B Documentary These are the contents of the documentary (references in this overview), insofar most relevant for the Fiat 806. A full transcription, with correct chronology, is to be found here. 01:01 - Fiat 806 (#15), front view, being cleaned. Grille shape, car width, front wheel camber, steer linkage, tyre width, manual crank opening position, suspension position, metal wind shield are shown. No number '15' visible on radiator or bonnets. No dent (compare photo 9) visible. There is symmetry in bonnet bulges. 03:14 - Fiat 806 (#15) is pushed toward the start line, for the start of heat 2. All numbers '15' have been applied. There is no dent in the radiator housing. Moments after this video was filmed, Photos 4 and 10 were taken. 03:22 - Fiat 806 (#15) is seen from the left, close-up. The 'rear wheel louvres', exhaust pipe-to-body connector, steering wheel, seat (with rain cover?), gas cap, left hand body lining, glass window, mechanical windshield and rear number '15' are seen up close. 05:12 - Close-up of the Fiat 806 (#15). The left bonnet and part of the '5' is seen. There is a rain cover over the glass window. 05:15 - Low side view of the Fiat 806 (#15). This is the lowest view we have of this car to date, which makes it very valuable to assess the height of the wheels in comparison to that of the body. This is final proof that the body was indeed significantly lower than Drawing 1 and the kit would imply. Left to the Fiat, there is the Bugatti 35C (#24) driven by Aymo Maggi. Only one umbrella is up so there can't be too much rain at this point. 05:22 - The start of the final heat. The Fiat 806 is gloriously captured spurting away. Two days ago someone said in this thread 'what I'd give to have seen this care race'... probably this is as close as we're going to get at that. It is great to be able to witness this wonderful day in September 1927. For our research this scene is relevant mainly because Bordino steers his car a bit, so that it is seen from different views - in ONE camera shot. That is very fortunate. 05:41 - At Curva Sud, the Fiat 806 is seen in first position. 07:07 - Fiat 806 is seen up-close, from the right side this time. The glass screen is now very well seen. Also the tyre pattern, for example. The metallic windscreen is seen as well. Drawing 1A Drawing 1B Drawing 2A Drawing 2B Drawing 2C (Next is the straightened, rotated and rescaled version; one of the original versions can be found here and the Gimp file of the upgrade can be found here) Amended Drawing 2 v9. The Gimp file can be downloaded here. Drawing 2D To use this Drawing 2C for scratchbuilding (or comparing) the frame, see here. Drawing 2E This Drawing is only to be used for researching and checking details that are not to be found on Drawing 2A, Drawing 2B or Drawing 2C. I strongly advise against using it for measurement purposes because it consists of several photos of the blueprint 'glued' together. Drawing 3 Drawing 4 Drawing 5 Drawing 6 Drawing 7 Drawing 8 Engine Drawing 1 Engine Drawing 2 Engine Drawing 3 Engine Drawing 4 Engine Drawing 5 Engine Drawing 6 Photogrammetry 1 Photogrammetry 2 Photogrammetry 3-5 (deleted) Photogrammetry 6 Photogrammetry 7 Model 1: Model 2 The hereunder index is updated up to & including: November 10 2016 BODY AND GRILLE - Hood hinges, see also here and here and here and here and here - Replacing the louvres, see also here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here - Grille color, see also here - Body color, see also here CAR GENERAL SHAPE RESEARCH, INCLUDING PHOTOGRAMMETRY - General body shape photogrammetry, see also here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here - Comparing two photos, see also here - Body should be lower (and other changes), see also here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here - Grille changes, see also here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here - Cutaway drawing accuracy, see also here and here[ and here CHASSIS, FRAME AND SUSPENSION - Amending springs, see also here and here and here - Turning dampers, see also here and here GENERAL KNOWLEDGE ON CAR AND TECHNIQUES - Colors, steering wheel, windscreen - Engine, radiator, grille - Color of rails, see also here - Photos of pre-war race cars details, see also here - Article about vintage car paint, wired wheels et cetera - 3D-printing, see also here and here - Upcoming 1:1 Fiat 806 replica? ENGINE - General engine corrections, steering idler arm correction, see also here and here and here - New filler cap - Engine sump, see also here - Casting engine covers, see also here and here - Spark plugs, see also here and here and here and here - Plug leads and wiring, see also here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here - Fill certain gaps?, see also here and here and here and here - Correcting cylinder head ends - Correcting PVC tubes, see also here - Collector tubes?, see also here and here and here and here and here - Correct stand 121D - Valve springs EXHAUST - Exhaust issues - Color of exhaust INTERIOR, EXCEPT STEERING WHEEL - Gear shift - Instrument panel: turning gauge bezels, see also here and here and here STEERING WHEEL - Steering wheel boss replacement, 12 or 16 holes in wheel, see also here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here - New spokes - Transparent part, see also here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here - General steering wheel amendments, see also here Ignition timing lever and brodie knob, see also here and here and here and here and here and here - Steering column, see also here WHEELS AND DRUM BRAKES - Spoke count, see also here and here and here - Respoking and nipples, see also here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here - Spoke color - Drum size photogrammetry - Comparison Protar and Italeri wheels - Color of drum brakes and wheels - Creating a mold - Newly cast tyre, see also here and here - Replacement drums, see also here and here and here and here and here - Adding cooling vents to drums and here
  3. Kiwikitbasher

    "It's The Bishop!"

    I always think of Monty Python's "It's the Bishop!" skits where this particular AFV is concerned. This is the old Esci/Italeri Bishop 1/72 scale kit (based on their Valentine tank kit), along with the limber and some figures I stole from my Esci/Italeri 25 Pounder & Quad kit. It proved to be an enjoyable 10-day build, and represents a Royal Devon Yeomanry vehicle in Sicily, 1943. I did a lot of scratch-building, including the interior, fighting compartment doors, driver's hatches, tow-hitch, tarpaulins, stowage boxes, roof hatch, limber draw-bar details etc. I also added wire handles, rivets, and opened up the sighting aperture. I used OKB Grigorov resin tracks. Aside from the figure with the binoculars, all the others have been hacked and/or mixed and matched to get the poses I wanted. I replaced the ends of the tack-guards with scratch-built examples from brass sheet so I could mangle and dent them, likewise the exhaust guard on the left-side of the fighting compartment. I Dremeled out the insides of the Limber's mudguards for added realism and gave them a good denting as well. My build log can be found over on Missing Lynx's Braille Scale forum... https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/missinglynx/it-s-the-bishop-t315713.html
  4. Hi All, Here's the much lambasted Italeri Bergepanther kit. It's my first Italeri kit and I won't be rushing to get more, but it was very cheap and whilst it's been made clear that it's not accurate I quite like the way it looks. Lots of sink marks some of which I missed but I'm over it. Completely OOB apart from the AA mount,P/E Grilles and a few spare tools. The cannon was rarely fitted but adds to the appearance I think. There are a couple of million part Takom kits on the way which I'm sure will be much better but in terms of enjoyment this was one of the best £18.99s I've ever spent. Usual C&C welcome Cheers David
  5. Had a rather discouraging last minute mishap with an IAR and a very displeasing varnish finish, so have been lying low with a few very quick booster builds... This is my attempt at getting back on it. I am planning on building this fairly quickly, and essentially out of the box. It's for a mate, who wants it for his son's ceiling - feels a somewhat intimidating presence for an infant - but who am I to argue. I find it's easier to make a good job of builds when they are for others. Stops me having a tantrum and chucking them in my 'corner of rejection'. Sods law - this will go sideways now. I haven't built an Italeri kit in ages, but looking in the box, and at some online reviews it seems a lovely looking proposition. The parts look great, good detail, no flash, and nice instructions with a coloured paint guide. I have ordered a mask set for the canopy, and will likely add some visuals with extra wires and so on in the cockpit. I want to build this with the spats removed, just for a change. And I plan to build it with the engine exposed for the same reason. And I like the inclusion of what looks like a weld-seam on the exposed version.... I toyed with buying aftermarket barrels for the canon - but will see how I fair with the ones provided. Not totally certain at this stage what finish I am aiming for - tempted by the hairspray / weathered winter whitewash after some recent success with that, but it's starting to feel like a bit of a get out in terms of being overly forgiving to my camo-work. I will see what the Stuka-loving father fancies... Thanks for looking. Any heads ups on potential issues with this kit would be appreciated. Bruce NB - the defective IAR for context... though the ugly mottling on the last layer of varnish doesn't show up too badly in this pic.
  6. This is my Italeri B-26K AKA A-26A Counter Invader. Before I started this kit I had read several reviews that either praised it to the highest or poo-pooed it faults. I can only conclude that these reviewers were either on drugs, or Italeri's payroll. I would put this at the bottom of the heap of Italeri's efforts. The fit was awful, and the accuracy questionable at best. I won't bore you with the details, but you can check out this site for more info http://www.usaf-sig.org/index.php/references/reference/113-kit-corrections-detailing/79-italeri-b-26k-invader-kit-corrections. The one high point was the decals which to even the vortex generators on the tail with only the minimum of Micro-Sol. One of the inaccuracies of this kit is the cockpit which might be accurate for a WW II or Korean War A-26 but is not for the K. There is at least 1 after market interior, but it would have taken too long to arrive so I skipped it. It turns out that was a good decision since I had one of the worst cases of dust infiltration into the cockpit I have had in a long time and you can't see much trough the dust anyway . Anyway I guess it came out alright, so here it is: Did I mention dust in the cockpit? But now fixed I am not sure what is next but it will either be the Italeri (spit) AC-130H or the Roden AC-123K. Enjoy
  7. In 2017 Italeri will reissue the following aircraft: Source: https://www.italeriusa.com/product-category.php?comingsoon=1 V.P.
  8. A close inspection from the soon to be released 1/32nd Italeri's Mirage IIIC sprues pics (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234975571-132-dassault-mirage-iiic-by-italeri-box-artdecals-release-late-september-early-october/?p=2112443) show clearly the typical MIIIE wheel brakes as an option. A new variant in view? Time will tell. V.P.
  9. "So, where are we?" Black primer does this picture no favours really! This is pretty much the full extent of my work on the Mitchell Gunship to date, I've modified some figures, added some greeblies to the barren, superbly fitting (& utterly fictional) cockpit, oh and I've glued the wing halves together.....It's a pretty simple kit but I'd still hope this will be deemed less than 25%? PS - Just discovered I have also assembled the engines (four whole parts) and painted them a vaguely enginey colour too.
  10. After the Lockheed F-104AC & G/S Starfighter (http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234954473-132-lockheed-f-104ac-starfighter-by-italeri-released-victory-models-decals/ & http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234912123-132-lockheed-f-104gs-starfighter-by-italeri-released/), here are the two-seaters Starfighter to be released by Italeri in 2016 2017. Source: http://www.italeri.com/imgup/Preview%20Italeri%202016(1).pdf - ref.2509 - Lockheed TF-104G Starfighter AMI Source: http://www.aviationmegastore.com/lockheed-tf104g-starfighter-ami-2509s-italeri-it2509s-aircraft-scale-modelling/product/?action=prodinfo&art=134765 - ref.2512 - Lockheed TF-104G Starfighter Source: http://www.aviationmegastore.com/lockheed-tf104g-starfighter-2512s-italeri-it2512s-netherlands-military/product/?action=prodinfo&art=134764 V.P.
  11. An out of the box build for the raf centenary gb. The fit was ok apart from the uc doors and air brakes, they needed a bit of a sanding to fit, the box decals went down on the gloss enamel xtracolor x032 raf desert pink quite well, but the rear id markings should be white, weathered with a dark dirt clay based wash, and pastels, the base is an off cut of oak and acrylic rods Cheers Glynn
  12. 1/48 Italeri V-22 Osprey is done. This kit i build oob and trying some new painting technique. Very pleased with the result. And dont glue the 2 engine and tails before finish the model because it will make you control the model for painting very hard. I try to break the monotone color to make the model look more interesting. Here is photo of the finished model : Thank you for watching. P/s : I have upload a video full build of V22 in my channel ( link in my signature ) You guy can check it out. Thank you !
  13. theplasticsurgeon

    Tim's Italeri PBJ-1D Mitchell

    Joining you with this kit. of parts. Says Flat Sea Blue - which I've intenpreted as Humbrol 47, and airbrushed some parts. but doesn't look right. were they really this colour?
  14. This is my latest, the Italeri AC-47D gunship in 1/72. I built this pretty much OOB with the exception of the decals. The kit was better then average for Italeri with mostly good fit and recessed panel lines. My one comment is that the kit instructions show putting the last gun in the door way. This was true for the earliest AC-47's, but later ones, and the one I had the decals for, moved it from the doorway to an additional window added just in front of the door. The kit has the outline of that window inscribed into the inside of the fuselage, but the instructions make no mention of using it. The decals that came with the kit looked a little tired so I used the ones from the Kit-World KW172096 sheet which were excellent. My only comment on them is that the instructions were somewhat lacking in detail of what goes where and their drawing are almost too small to help. Here is my AC-119K and AC-47D together Next us should be the AC-130, but while I have the paint out I am going to do the Italeri B-26K since it is the last kit in the pile that uses the SEA color scheme. Enjoy
  15. A misleading title for this set of French Artillery Train. A restoration of a set I painted many years ago. One Driver is mislaid and the mounted officer is from another set but fir the main part this is the set.
  16. zegeye

    B-25 H Mitchel

    Hello, my entry is an old Italeri model which isn't new. This is dismantled and cleaned piece, which I saved from my friend's trash. I have some aftermarkets for it. The main aftermarkets (I'm waiting for them, but they will come) are resine engines and cowlings from qickboost. If I succeed it will be this little gem:
  17. This is my Italeri AC-119K Stinger in 1/72. This is a mid 1980's vintage kit and it shows with its raised panel lines and somewhat fuzzy detailing. It was what I consider typical Italeri with good fit is some places and lousy fit in others. But on the whole it was a fun build. The decals that came with the kit were printer by Cartograf and while nice there were a bit minimalist where kind old so I went with the AOA Gunships: Raining Fire (I) set, also printed by Carograf and excellent. other then that it was OOB. The Vietnam era SEA color scheme it is a pain to do all that masking, but I really like the way it looks: It's hard to get a shot showing all the ordnance Next up it their AC-47 Spooky Enjoy
  18. Here's another little project, bought on an impulse. Firstly, the figures. Here is an Italian machine gun team, gunner and loader. The figures are by Masterbox, and have nice detail, although are somewhat lacking in terms of definition and detail compared to the Dragon figures I was working on previously. This was an attractive part of the kit for me. Here's a rather blurry picture of the tank. An older kit, it needs a little work. For example, the turret needs some work around the gun mantlet. It seems it should be a mostly smooth weld, rather than plates bolted on.
  19. Is decals from Academy and Italeri as bad as often mentioned in build reviews and "in the works" or should those decals be handled in an different way than most decals? Is there something many builders miss when working with Academy, Italeri and Roden decals? What's behind those bad experiences? Cheers / André
  20. The other night I finished my Italeri Sunderland which has been on the stocks since February - thus messing up my plan of a model per month for 2018. There has been some (a lot of) frustration along the way. If you'd like to read more about how I built the kit please see my article in this issue (pages 31-33) of our group newsletter. I assume early war bombs were painted in an early "its health and safety gone mad" bit of bureaucratic nonsense - bombs are dangerous so paint them yellow? A good portion of a tube of Squadron Green was used up on the plane, trying to level out the nose in front of the cockpit and even worse on top of the wings. The mainplanes are 1-2mm thicker than the stubs on the fuselage, so the filler was slathered on, for some reason I forgot to tape off the good side of the joints to ease clean up. Oh well. The top and bottom half of the wings weren't the same chord either so brute force was used! I didn't recall ever using such brutal methods when I read about them on Britmodeller, but obviously I had previously attacked models with this file as there was a goodly amount of squadron green on it... Another niggle was that the guy who did the panel trenching on one side of the aircraft was very heavy handed, whilst somebody else with a much lighter touch did the other side! Once the camo paint was on I also discovered there are very faint lines where there are mould inserts to change from Mk.I to Mk.III - needless to say I decided fixing these by that time would cause more damage than would be justified, but worth watching out for anyone else - I wonder whether the Mk.III ends up similarly afflicted? Although you get a good selection of decals, Italeri obviously didn't look closely enough at the famous photos of DAG as the code letters should be wider and the tail stripes thicker - at least as an emergency unit level paint job there are no stencils. Overall I'm pleased with the look of the plane, but I think it will be a while before I do another large flying boat. I usually avoid weathering, but I'd like to think I made a reasonable stab at the appallingly dishevelled state of DAG in period photos. I don't know where I'm going to put it now though. My main annoyance was clouting bits of it on the light or whatever in the workshop area, as it takes up so much more space when manoeuvring compared to a 1/72 Spitfire. Cheers Will PS for those concerned about such things I cut the grass tonight!
  21. Hello, Here's my 1/72 Italeri Jaguar T.2. Nothing fancy, just the kit parts and decals. I did paint the tail stripe, because the decal provided was too short. This kit is not one of Italeri's best, imo, but in the end it looks like a Jaguar. I hope you like it. Thanks for looking, Pete
  22. This is a mini WIP combined with an RFI, as I built this around 10 years ago, and some day I may get around to replacing the sand shields with some etched ones, but given the number of unfinished models that I have at the moment, that's not going to be any time soon. A Brief Intro. Operation Battleaxe was the first time that Crusaders were used in any significant numbers, and they didn't exactly cover themselves in glory. Thin armour, an ineffective main gun which couldn't fire HE and reliability problems were three of it's drawbacks. On the plus side, it was fast. I'd built Tamiya's 1/48th version of this, and decided to do the same in 1/35th, using the Italeri kit as a basis. Although the kit is for a Mk.l/ll, it didn't cover the version used in Battleaxe. There were some alterations needed, but nothing too drastic. First job was to add the prominent rivets along the sides of the lower hull. This early kit from Italeri omitted them, but the AA version included them. In all, there were approximately 300 rivets, but a day and a half saw the job done, and my sanity intact. I was going to finish this tank in the marking of 6 RTR, and their vehicles had different air filters to those supplied in the kit. They are a simple box shape and I made them from different thickness’s of card. The pipework leading from the filters to the engine deck was altered by removing the 90 degree bend and making new pipe from tubing. The track guards were also of a different configuration, so I cut away the kit part where it bends downwards, and made new track guards and glued them into place along with the new air boxes. Along the back of these Crusaders was a rack for 2 gallon POW cans. The rack was made from 10thou strip and filled with cans from Accurate Armour. The kit's right front track guard has a box shape on it which is for the spare tracks, but again, not applicable for this version, so it was removed with a chisel blade. A length of track was glued to the left track guard and a 10thou strip of card was added as a retaining bar. Turret. To my eye, the mantlet protrudes too far forward, so I sawed it in half, thinned it by about 4mm, and then reattached it and blended it in with Mr Surfacer. The main gun barrel was replaced with an aluminium one from Jordi Rubio. The searchlight was detailed with a bulb and lens and some etched bass from Eduard. On the other side there is a pot shaped item (it's purpose eludes me) which I made from a piece of dowel, fixed it to a square of card and glued in place on the side of the turret. There was no blanket box fitted to the rear of the turret, so a number of rivets had to be added along with a pistol port, new hatch bump stops and some detail to the aerial mount. Painting and weathering. I painted the tank in the Caunter scheme of Portland or Light Stone, Silver Grey and Light Grey. I mixed my colours from Tamiya paints using Mike Starmers mixes. Markings were minimal, being just the census numbers on the turret and rear hull. Weathering consisted mainly of chipping along exposed edges and dust courtesy of Mig's Beach Sand and Light Dust. The rest of the photos are RFI. I've included one of the original photos which I took years ago, to show what the colours should look like as the ones that I took recently give it a rather grey appearance. Sand Shields. As I said, I should replace these as they haven't lasted as well as I hoped. I cut them from thin card and scored the back so that they could be bent to shape. I glued thin rod into the groove to try and get it to keep the correct shape, but over the years, they have flattened out, hence the need for replacement with etched brass items. Thanks for looking. John.
  23. Hello colleagues, this time I would like to share with you about my elaborate building F-35I by Italeri 1/32 I have a complete etch set from Eduard for the kit. I made the cables in the chassis shafts and bomb bays of lead wires of different diameters. I am currently repairing the nozzle because the kit is really terrible. I use the etchings of my own design, which I lay on myself to create the characteristic look of the nozzle. Perhaps you will like the building
  24. Hi Pals, al last I finished the model, and IHMO, I think it has been to my liking. I was pleasantly surprised, to see that even being such an ancient mold, still has a very good level of quality (I think even better than some models Tamiya of the time, and that time, were twice as expensive or so. ..) Once finished, you see a pretty powerful tank, a whole "Heavy metal", precursor of the "beasts" that would follow. On the other hand, the kit has a fairly simple assembly, no major problems to solve, if you want to OOB, although I have had two delicate enough, the hull and turret were twisted,and it was difficult to bring them together, and the tracks that are degraded by the passage of time and broke. Perhaps now come of better plastic quality. Here is a link to the WIP section, in case you want to see it. http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235004000-the-olde-general-m47-patton-135-italeri-item265/ Thanks to all who have followed the assembly and finishing kit, and have supported and encouraged me with your suggestions and comments. Regards to all Pals And some shots on detail....
  25. Hello Britmodellers! This is my heavily optimized Italeri Kit in 1:72 built in 1998 Cheers, Thomas
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