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  1. I've been thinking of doing some USAFE stuff in 1/48 for a while now, and after a recent holiday to Suffolk, including a rather hot walk in Rendlesham Forest right up to the old fence at Woodbridge (and the obligatory trip to LN!) what better way to start than with the legendary A-10 Warthog. After some excellent advice on this site, I decided on the Italeri one. I'm sure all the kits have their pros and cons, but this seemed the best for my subject. Of course I'll need to find the right decals as this Hog will be a Bentwaters bird from circa 1986/87. WR tailcodes a must! Nice box art, and some decent looking stuff on the sprues. Euro 1 colour scheme. All major camo colours I'll use rattle cans for. Overall grey first, then the greens ... Big decal sheet with plenty of detail and stencils! I'm always pleased to see cockpit instrument decals too, much better than my hamfisted painting attempts.
  2. A couple days ago I started working on the Italeri S.79, and before I knew it, I got this far already. It's a simple kit with not that many parts, but still reasonably detailed. I sprayed the interior with Tamiya XF-20 and used some of that Tamiya panel line wash. The instrument panel is just a decal, and since you won't be able to see much inside the cockpit when it's all closed up and all, I'm fine with that. I don't bother with seatbelts either. And now with the fuselage closed and the lower wing in place. It'll probably be ready for paint by next week.
  3. "SPRING 1963 - TRAINING" F-100F Super Sabre, Royal Danish Air Force, ESK 725, Karup Kit: Italeri F-100F Super Sabre Double Seater (#003) Scale: 1/72 Aftermarket: Taurus canopy, Aires wheels, Aires nozzle, Master pitot, Pavla seats Paints: Vallejo Model Color, Model Air & Metal Color Weathering: Flory Models Wash, Mig weathering Products Solid - if somewhat basic - kit from Italeri. Added some aftermarket & DIY work to improve the looks. Display base made from scratch. Built for Nordic GB. Build thread: Thanks for looking! Comments & constructive criticism welcomed
  4. To balance off the power of all the Italian builds I'd better do something from the 8th Army so this one is up next. The Bishop was one of the first British attempts to make the 25 pounder field gun more mobile and protected by mounting it in a fixed armoured box on a Valentine chassis. Although this kit, according to Scalemates, is a 2008 Italeri boxing, it has its roots in a 1977 Esci kit. Three sprues, one the Valentine chassis and one the Bishop upperworks, both in typical Italeri hard plastic, nicely moulded and detailed, the other a grey sprue with the parts for the tracks. These are hard plastic and will need the tracks built up in situ. This will give nice detail and be more accurate than the older style, vinyl type tracks, but will take a little more time. This is the first time I've built this type of tracks in this scale so let's see. We have lots of time so let's not worry. I wonder if they would have been in the original boxing or would they have been the vinyl flexible tracks. Usual Italeri instructions and transfers for three versions.
  5. Hello to all of you good people on this forum.I present you the Italeri YF-22 that I finished last week.I rescribed all the panel lines,added home made seatbelts hud and the pittotube.Painted in Ak real colors.I hope you will like this one.
  6. When you're up against deadlines and have a bench full of incomplete GB models, the only sensible option to get going again is to start another one. I don't currently have a completed 109 in the collection, so this is a chance to rectify that. This Italeri kit is a rebox of the Academy kit that was a re-pop of the Hobbycraft kit from the early 90s. I've built a Hobbycraft 109G so I'm hoping that will stand me in good stead for this one. I'd bookmarked the kit because of the markings but wasn't mad keen to get one at full price. Jadlam came to the rescue - they had it in their clearance section at 1/3 off and I had some reward points to trade in so suddenty it was half price with free postage. You really can't turn that sort of deal down. Only ordered it this morning so all these pictures are stolen from that interwebs. The box: Sprue shots. It's quite a simple kit but it builds OK and looks good enough for me: The decal sheet. There is a massive clue here as to where I'm going with this: It had to be the Italian Job (and you wouldn't believe how hard it was not to use that as my title ) It was the green scheme with minimal mottling that swung it for me. Think even I can manage that with my collection of hairy sticks. As ever, I'm waiting for the postie now so I can get started and add some photos of my own. Andy
  7. Here's the latest model off the bench - Italeri's 1/32nd F-35A Lightning II. This was built out of the box, with the exception of Eduard's seat belt and cockpit set. The kit itself goes together really well, with the only filler being needed on the fuselage to wing join which wasn't the best. There's lots of nicely moulded detail in the landing gear and weapons bays, which with some careful painting comes up well. The most time consuming part of the build was the painting process - it took hours, and hours, and hours, and hours... you get the idea... of masking the RAM panels. I went for an early-build RAAF machine provided in the kit, which has the higher-contrast paint job. More recent deliveries have a far less contrasting paint finish which would have made life a good deal easier. Still, I think the earlier schemes are more pleasing on the eye. Apparently the jet pipe is a little undersized, but I didn't bother replacing it. Detail is a bit soft here to be fair, and the exhaust is the weakest part of the kit. Overall though, a nice and simple build, that takes up a lot of room on the display shelf! Regards to all, Tom Pic 1 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr Pic 2 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr Pic 3 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr Pic 4 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr Pic 5 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr Pic 6 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr Pic 7 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr Pic 8 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr Pic 9 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr Pic 10 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr Pic 11 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr Pic 12 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr Pic 13 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr
  8. Hi all Moving straight on from my Eduard Fw190 A4 build onto the latest delivery from Mr.Postman, the Italeri rebox of the Hasegawa Typhoon. I haven't done a WiP before so not sure how exciting this one will be but i'll try to keep progress ticking along- I state my intent now! To be fair though the small part number should help speed things along. We'll see how I get on with the infamous fuselage inserts- seen a few different ways of tackling this but watch this space. I've also a few extra goodies to help with the final look I'm hoping to put quite a bit of detail into the cockpit as its fairly sparse. I've made a start with the milliput seat padding and plonked a compass in using the unnecessary part the attaches to the back of the headrest. Next will be adding all the wiring.
  9. #25/2020 Here´s my dad´s latest model, the Italeri B Stuka. The kit is ok but has its issues. Built oob with HAD Decals, EZ line for the antenna wire, painted with a selfmixed RLM65, Tamiya XF-82 Ocean Grey, XF-5 Flat Green and XF-10 Flat Brown. With previously built Stukas my dad did some extra work and simulated the inner canopy frames with masking tape. This time he did it without and painted all frames with the exterior colours. Build thread here https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235079876-getting-trained148-junkers-ju87b-2-royal-hungarian-airforce/ When Hungary transitioned from the B to the D Stuka, some of the old Bs were used for training, weapons removed. B601 was one of these, stationed in Veszprem/Hungary 1941. DSC_0001 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0002 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0003 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0004 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0005 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0006 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0007 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0008 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0009 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0010 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0011 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0012 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0013 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0014 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0015 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0016 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0017 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0018 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0019 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0020 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr together with the Classic Airframes Bf109D DSC_0001 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0002 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0003 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0004 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr
  10. And here´s my dad´s next project. After the Hungarians recieved D Stukas, the B models were used for training and transitioning. DSC_0005 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0014 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr DSC_0015 by grimreaper110, auf Flickr
  11. Hi, Having built my first Hurricane in the BoB GB, I'm so happy with that model that I'm keen to build some more. Troy Smith provided me with some good advice during my first Hurricane build and I'm aware of some of the weaknesses of the Italeri kit. I'm going to build this one now before I become too knowledgeable in Hurricanes. I'm not going to attempt to correct the model and the markings will be the well-known 17 Sqn aircraft with the "Popeye" nose-art. Cheers, Stefan.
  12. I don't build cars very often (and it shows - I hear you cry) so I decided to treat this one a little differently. As its moulded in nicely coloured plastic, I decided to build it without painting it. I'd imagine that this is how Italeri intended young modellers approach the kit. I may not be young any more, but I am young at heart Thanks for looking.
  13. This is another kit I built way back in 1981, when both subject matter and kit manufacturer would have been very exotic to me. To the best of my knowledge, this kit was never upgraded with "hard" tracks under ESCI/ERTL. More than that, the vinyl tracks are actually "Matchbox" style, meaning no glue required. Italian AFV colours are something I have no real knowledge of, so I'll just have to muddle through.
  14. This was a birthday gift from my wife. Possibly a record in recent times for getting built within two months of acquisition and not suffering a diversion into the stash! On opening the box I was surprised and pleased to see the decals were for un-PC Rothmans rather than the boxart “Racing”. The real car is just down the road at Beaulieu if you want to go and see what its supposed to look like. . The kit itself is somewhat ancient, originally by Esci and having been reboxed by both Revell and Italeri over the years. Now I love cars with massive flared arches as much as the next child growing up in the 70s, but these seem to have been tooled by someone from the Matchbox or HotWheels design studio after plenty of wacky baccy! Whether to do anything about it was the issue, as they stand they don’t look anything like those from the RS Parts ads in the Motoring News we’d avidly read at school in the 70s. In the end I decided not to bother, as carpaint is a lot less forgiving than painting the filler-fest of some older aircraft kits! So after a few coats of Halfords Appliance White and the application of the excellent (best part of the kit) decals, I brushed on a couple of coats of Klear to get a reasonable period shine. The kit itself is OOB, I thought several times about the arches but they would need a lot of correcting, so I just stuck M3 washers from the hardware shop as wheel spacers to get the wheels a bit further outboard. I also suspect the mid-joint in a propshaft is unlikely, and whilst I opened up some lap-belt holes in the side of the seats, I ignored the need for the decal belts to stretch to the back of the car (somewhere); this seems a common failing of decal seatbelts. Anyway, for all its severely compromised accuracy, in this livery the kit looks quite striking and worth the effort. But any future cars will be Tamiya, Aoshima or Fujimi kits… Cheers Will
  15. Hi, This is a project that has been at the back of my mind for well over 20 years, and now the moderators have kindly cleared it, then it might, stress might get done, and then again maybe not as you will see from my later posts as I seem to have aquired a second kit that might not need much work doing! I bought this 1986 kit back in the early 1990's, and it went into my stash. A few years later I saw the Film BAT*21 with Gene Hackman and got the kit back out with a view to building an EW one as seen in the film, but then found that the Airwaves conversion set was out of stock and put it back in the stash where it has remained until now. I recently discovered that Italeri had actually reboxed it as the EB-66E version in 1998 but that has been out of production for a while, as have the various conversion sets so it looks like I am going to have to do this the hard way - proper modelling for once! The problem is deciding exactly which one to build. The B-66B pure bomber never really did much and at an early stage the USAF seem to have decided it would be more useful in other roles, so they bought 5 or so RB-66A photo recce versions, followed by a much larger batch of RB-66B also initially photo recce, but later converted, and this was followed by a batch of RB-66C Electronic recce planes. Later these were redesignated EB-66B and C and joined by the EB-66E which seem to have been conversions of redundant B-66B. Over the years many were rebuilt and lost the guns in the short rear tail, replacing it with a longer tail mounting sensors. and because the EW equipment in those days was pretty crude, the "black boxes" and their relevant aerials, blisters and "canoes" were regularly reconfigured to meet specific threats so it is going to be darned nigh impossible to say that the version I end up with is exacly accurate for a particular machine on a particular day, but the as Craig has pointed out, it is equally unlikely anybody will be able to emphatically say that it is wrong - let's just call it representative of the planes that were used to considerable effect during the war in Vietnam for quite a few years! Incidentally there was a WB-66 version as well, alledgedly for weather observations though I suspect it may have done a bit of "snooping" around the Russian borders as well. I am currently researching the sensor fit from the limited information I have available ie the Aerofax book on the B-66 - if anybody has any drawings or pics that could be helpful I would welcome them. This should make an interesting comparison with its "half sister" the EKA-3B Skywarrior I am building at the moment, but more on that later. Incidentally, at the start of this GB I built Italeri's B-57G which is a repackaged version of the B-57B they released in 1985, a year before the B-66B, but that kit is somewhat better detailed than this one - for example Italeri have not bothered to include jetpipes in the Destroyer so the back of the nacelles are see-through. The plastic is a bit patchy too - some flash and the bottom of one of the fuselage halves seemed to be "de-laminating" with a thin skin peeling off like an onion - never come across that before so I could have fun. Also the box art shows the triangular "flap actuator" thingys or whatever they are under the wing like in my Whale, but they are not provided, so it was never going to be a straight OOB build anyway. Cheers Pete
  16. hello fellow modellers, I want to share some progress of this project. so far it has been quite fun and enjoyable to build. I found very useful this post by Pappy (from 2008!) here's my first WIP
  17. It's time to start my next build of Italeri's desert Italiana. The Sahariana was specifically designed for desert use based on experiences with Scout and armoured cars. It's a very attractive and purposeful looking machine but a bit different from British and German equivalents. There's definitely a touch of Italian style in it. On one sand coloured sprues that's nicely moulded, crisp and clear with little signs of flash or seams. It's a fairly modern kit, according to Scalemates, it's an Italeri new tool from 2007. Straightforward instructions over a few pages and a nice transfer sheet sheet for two vehicles (just different registration plates), including a very neat little dashboard panel and an Italian flag for over the engine cover. Painting instructions in the instruction sheet and on the back of the box in typical Italeri style.
  18. The VAL is done ! Scanning the stash for the next build is either a quick process - in case you have an idea in mind OR a long one - if you don't I did not - so picking this one took time and I'm not sure why I did or how it connects with the previous builds. The Covid-19 WFH period is nearing its end - so I hope I can still make progress with this build. It's a big one - I may need to re-order my shelves.
  19. Ok, maybe too late to finish in time, but I was so kindly invited I did't want to ignore it completely… As I just finished my latest project I can start with some very tiny. I'll try to convert this: into this: The famous MD 500 from the eighties TV series "Magnum, P.I."
  20. Next to drive onto the bench is this lovely piece of elegant Italian engineering, both in real life and model form. One sand grey coloured sprue. And the detail is lovely. This isn't one of Italeri's reboxing of an Esci original but a new tool from 2007. Instructions and transfers for 4 versions, 3 Italian and a Wermacht example. Off and going soon.
  21. Hope nobody minds this post ...you have all seen this before, i was so happy with the Jagdtiger and the small base i did for it i decided to do the same for the Orphan...this is the result.
  22. The next Italian kit pulled from the stash is this. Initially designed as an anti aircraft gun, like the Flak88 it was also used as an anti tank weapon. This is is a simple kit comprising of a single sprue of not many pieces. The plastic is softish, not quite as soft as the old Airfix polythene figures, and it does sand, albeit it needing a fair bit of heft. And it is crisply detailed but I do worry about whether solvent will glue it together. And another sprue with 8 crew. Same plastic and it's just as well it sands as there are seams and moulding pips aplenty. Simple instructions on the back of the box, although the painting details for the figures are nice. It shouldnt take take long to build but it'll be good practice for another Italeri dragged from the stash.
  23. Next up is another Italeri offering, this time a Lancia truck with a 90/53 anti aircraft gun mounted on it. The Italians, like others in the Western Desert needed to get more mobility for their artillery and this was one of the options. The gun was used as an effective anti tank weapon as well as AA. The model is one of Italeri's fast assembly kits so it should go together relatively quickly but it does have a fair number of wheels to paint as well as a crew. There are three sprues, each of different plastic, the truck is typical Italeri hard and well moulded plastic, the gun somewhat softer and a little flexible, wholeness the crew are on a softer and quite bendy plastic which experience shows will sand OK but won't accept solvent type glue and without some protection paint will rub off easily. The gun and crew, or servants as Italeri term them, are familiar a single they're the same as those, without the gun base, as those from the Cannone I've been building. Straightforward instructions and transfers for two liveries, one sand, one green.
  24. Introduction This thread was started intending to unite those interested in building the Fiat 806 based on thorough research and photogrammetry. See also the great Fiat 806 Gangshow build album. In the current thread there will be (at least I hope people will post) extensive research on the original car, photographs, drawings, literature and archives. Beside that the thread will feature scratchbuilding progress based on the findings. Perhaps in the future there could be exchanges of resin molded scratch parts, just like Vontrips kindly did with the tyres (for example: body panels / grille?) Index To start off I have gone through all of the Gangshow topic and I indexed all knowhow (see end of this post). Best way to use it: click a link, go back and click the next link etc. Or open the links in a separate browser tab. Each link represents one post only, so it's better to only read that post, come back to the index and click the next link. The index was created having in mind those who are about to work on a certain subject, such as the steering wheel. For the index, see end of this opening post. Visual reference material First a legal disclaimer. All images are used for educational and referential purposes. Copyrights lie with the copyright holders. Centro Storico Fiat is probably the original copyright holder of many of these images. Centro Storico's website can be accessed here and here. It has a Facebook page here. Be sure to have a look at their great collection of photos of classic Fiat and Lancia cars. Centro Storico also has frequent Twitter updates featuring photographs, see here. Drawing 6 was found here. All copyrights of the photos / screenshots 10-19 lie with Cinecitta Luce. My presentation of the low-definition photos on this forum is just for reference and educational purposes, for the purpose of a hobby. I do not have a corporate license for the use of these images. If at any point in time Cinecitta Luce wishes these pictures removed I will remove them upon first request. The pictures are not to be reproduced on another website or another written work. Please, all, respect Cinecitta Luce's copyrights. Their website is to be found here. All rights to Photo 9 lie with Fotogeca Gilardi, see here. There you can inquire about the cost to purchase a license of a full-scale version of Photo 9. Important: some pictures, such as Photo 1, Photo 2, Drawing 2, Drawing 3 and Drawing 6, are larger than shown here. To enlarge, right-click on the picture and choose 'open new tab', then click on the picture on the new tab. Update 31 July 2018: there are now so many pictures in this post that it's very difficult to navigate. To restore overview I left out several images that are less important. 28 out of 67 images remain. All images are still available for download here. Photo 1AAA Photo 2 Photo 3 Photo 28A Photo 4B Photo 6B Photo 7F Photo 8B Photo 9 Photo 10 Photo 12 Photo 17 Photo 21 Photo 23B Photo 24 Photo 25 Documentary These are the contents of the documentary (references in this overview), insofar most relevant for the Fiat 806. A full transcription, with correct chronology, is to be found here. 01:01 - Fiat 806 (#15), front view, being cleaned. Grille shape, car width, front wheel camber, steer linkage, tyre width, manual crank opening position, suspension position, metal wind shield are shown. No number '15' visible on radiator or bonnets. No dent (compare photo 9) visible. There is symmetry in bonnet bulges. 03:14 - Fiat 806 (#15) is pushed toward the start line, for the start of heat 2. All numbers '15' have been applied. There is no dent in the radiator housing. Moments after this video was filmed, Photos 4 and 10 were taken. 03:22 - Fiat 806 (#15) is seen from the left, close-up. The 'rear wheel louvres', exhaust pipe-to-body connector, steering wheel, seat (with rain cover?), gas cap, left hand body lining, glass window, mechanical windshield and rear number '15' are seen up close. 05:12 - Close-up of the Fiat 806 (#15). The left bonnet and part of the '5' is seen. There is a rain cover over the glass window. 05:15 - Low side view of the Fiat 806 (#15). This is the lowest view we have of this car to date, which makes it very valuable to assess the height of the wheels in comparison to that of the body. This is final proof that the body was indeed significantly lower than Drawing 1 and the kit would imply. Left to the Fiat, there is the Bugatti 35C (#24) driven by Aymo Maggi. Only one umbrella is up so there can't be too much rain at this point. 05:22 - The start of the final heat. The Fiat 806 is gloriously captured spurting away. Two days ago someone said in this thread 'what I'd give to have seen this care race'... probably this is as close as we're going to get at that. It is great to be able to witness this wonderful day in September 1927. For our research this scene is relevant mainly because Bordino steers his car a bit, so that it is seen from different views - in ONE camera shot. That is very fortunate. 05:41 - At Curva Sud, the Fiat 806 is seen in first position. 07:07 - Fiat 806 is seen up-close, from the right side this time. The glass screen is now very well seen. Also the tyre pattern, for example. The metallic windscreen is seen as well. Drawing 1A Drawing 2F.1 Drawing 2F.2 Drawing 3 Drawing 5 Drawing 6 Engine Drawing 1 Engine Drawing 2 Engine Drawing 3 Engine Drawing 4 Engine Drawing 5 Engine Drawing 6 The hereunder index is updated up to & including: November 10 2016 BODY AND GRILLE - Hood hinges, see also here and here and here and here and here - Replacing the louvres, see also here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here - Grille color, see also here - Body color, see also here CAR GENERAL SHAPE RESEARCH, INCLUDING PHOTOGRAMMETRY - General body shape photogrammetry, see also here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here - Comparing two photos, see also here - Body should be lower (and other changes), see also here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here - Grille changes, see also here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here - Cutaway drawing accuracy, see also here and here[ and here CHASSIS, FRAME AND SUSPENSION - Amending springs, see also here and here and here - Turning dampers, see also here and here GENERAL KNOWLEDGE ON CAR AND TECHNIQUES - Colors, steering wheel, windscreen - Engine, radiator, grille - Color of rails, see also here - Photos of pre-war race cars details, see also here - Article about vintage car paint, wired wheels et cetera - 3D-printing, see also here and here - Upcoming 1:1 Fiat 806 replica? ENGINE - General engine corrections, steering idler arm correction, see also here and here and here - New filler cap - Engine sump, see also here - Casting engine covers, see also here and here - Spark plugs, see also here and here and here and here - Plug leads and wiring, see also here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here - Fill certain gaps?, see also here and here and here and here - Correcting cylinder head ends - Correcting PVC tubes, see also here - Collector tubes?, see also here and here and here and here and here - Correct stand 121D - Valve springs EXHAUST - Exhaust issues - Color of exhaust INTERIOR, EXCEPT STEERING WHEEL - Gear shift - Instrument panel: turning gauge bezels, see also here and here and here STEERING WHEEL - Steering wheel boss replacement, 12 or 16 holes in wheel, see also here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here - New spokes - Transparent part, see also here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here - General steering wheel amendments, see also here Ignition timing lever and brodie knob, see also here and here and here and here and here and here - Steering column, see also here WHEELS AND DRUM BRAKES - Spoke count, see also here and here and here - Respoking and nipples, see also here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here and here - Spoke color - Drum size photogrammetry - Comparison Protar and Italeri wheels - Color of drum brakes and wheels - Creating a mold - Newly cast tyre, see also here and here - Replacement drums, see also here and here and here and here and here - Adding cooling vents to drums and here
  25. As you will see from the photos below this build is over the 25% rule so I have asked for permission to add it to this Group Build for a special reason. This kit used to belong to a fellow kit Modeller called Donald John MacKay, who lived locally in Oban and was a good mate of @Scimitar . Donald passed away recently leaving his family with an extensive stash of both books and models from a lifetime of collecting and @Scimitar real name Richard was a great help to the family in enabling them to get proper value for the items. This kit and others Donald never finished were rescued from the rubbish bin as the family were clearing the house. I have asked Arnold @Arniec for special permission to join this GB with this kit to finish it as a tribute to Donald. Arnold has been kind enough to allow the kit to join the GB, for which I am especially grateful. Many thank Pat
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