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  1. Bristol Blenheim Mk.I 1:48 Airfix (A09190) At the time of its first flight in April 1935, the Bristol Blenheim was one of the most advanced aircraft of its type. It's fully metal, stressed skin construction, powered flaps, retractable landing gear and variable pitch propellers all helped it stand out from the biplanes then in service with the RAF. Powered by two Bristol Mercury radial engines, the Type 142 as it was originally know, was a very fast aircraft for its time. Such was the pace of aeronautical development in the 1930s though, that by the time war broke out in 1939, the Blenheim was dangerously outclassed by the modern fighters of the Luftwaffe. During the early stages of the War, Blenheims were used for some of the first raids on Germany and they continued to be deployed in raids on German occupied airfields during the Battle of Britain. Some notable successes were achieved, although arguably more a result of the heroism of the pilots than the capabilities of the aircraft; losses were unacceptably high. The Blenheim was outmatched as a fighter too, but as with many similar aircraft, it enjoyed more success when adapted for night fighting, at least until the more heavily armed Beaufighter entered service. The Blenheim saw action in the Far East as well, and a number of aircraft were exported to Finland before the outbreak of war. The Kit This is a new tool from Airfix which follows their 2018 Mk,1F. The kit arrives on six main sprues along with a clear sprue. The quality of the parts is excellent throughout. For a kit with large clear parts these are very well done and perfectly clear. Disappointingly for fans of modelling clichés, construction begins not with the cockpit but with the bomb bay behind it, this also incorporates the spars for the wings. The doors can be open or closed for this, but if you want them closed you will have to cut the door off to reposition them. Once this is made up then we can get to work on the cockpit starting with the pilots seat and its supporting framework. These parts are highly detailed and replicate the real thing, the control column goes in front of the seat. The seat attaches to the front of the bomb bay and the whole structure is slid into the left fuselage half. Details for the bomb aimers position then go in the nose with hs fold away seat going next to the pilots seat; to finish off here the main instrument panel is fitted. Continuing on in the left fuselage half at the rear the support for the tail wheel is added, then continuing forward the boards under the upper turret are added. Holes must be drilled for the rear mounted bomb racks. To the right fuselage half the the rear mounted radios are added and at the front another fold down seat in the nose. The fuselage halves can then be joined and the top insert added along with the upper escape hatch. With the fuselage buttoned up, attention turns to the wings. The inserts for the landing lights are added into the wing leading edge. Next up on the lower wings the lower engine nacelles go on. Into these fits the landing gear. Here like all of their models Airfix provide different parts for the gear up or down. More simplified parts being provided for the raised option. If doing the gear down then internal bulkheads need to be added in followed by construction of the complicated landing gear. This seems to accurately depict the complex gear in both its looks and multipart construction. The gear fits between the rear part which represent s the main spar and the front engine firewall. Once the gear is securely in each lower wing the rear part for the flap bay is added. Now the upper and lower wings can be assembled, and the wings added to the fuselage. Small inserts between the trailing edge and the fuselage finish this part of the build. Next up its time to look at the flying control surfaces. The tailplanes are built up. The fixed parts are split upper & lower and these trap in the single part control surface when they go together. Once built they can be added to the fuselage followed by the rudder. We can now move to the construction of the engines. Again these are quite detailed. While not a full engine it will appear so when viewed from the front. The front cylinder bank goes onto the main backing plate with additional engine parts and the hub going on the front. The exhausts then go onto the engine. Collector stubs are attached to the front single part of the collector ring which then mounts to the front of the engine. The structure behind this is then built up with one main lower part and left/right upper parts. A choice of open or closed cowl flaps is then provided for the rear. once the intakes are added the completed engines can be mounted to the wings. Now the flaps can be added to the main wings. These can be open or closed, however if the modeller wants to close them up they will have to remove some of the moulded in structure to enable them to close. Outboard of the flaps the single part ailerons are added, this finishes off the wings. The next major part to be constructed is the upper turret. Again this is quite a complicated structure like the real thing. To aid construction Airfix have proved a jig to get everything aligned correctly. The vertical assembly is at this point constructed horizontally, care will be needed with the instructions here to understand how it all fits. Once the structure is together and solid it can be removed from the jig and the glazing added. The complete assembly then slides down into the fuselage. We are now on the home straight. The wheels and front doors to the landing gear are added, followed by the tail wheel. A single part cover is provided if the bomb bay is to be closed up. If not then the outer doors are added followed by the bomb load. Additional smaller bombs and their racks are added to the rear fuselage (hopefully you opened up those holes at the beginning!) . Before fitting the cockpit glazing a pilot figure is provided if you want to use him. There are four parts of the large glazed area; left & right main parts, with two top parts. The last one can be placed in the closed position, or slid back into the open position. To finally finish off the landing lights area added along with the propellers, aerial mast and pitot tube. Decals The sheet is by Cartograf which guarantees quality with no issues. Two marking options are provided. No. 211 Sqn RAF, Menidi, Greece 1941 (As seen on the box art) No. 90 Sqn RAF, RAF Bicester, Autumn 1938. Conclusion This kit continues Airfix's rich vein of form. It is a beautifully made, high quality kit which is packed with detail and options. The accurate shape and fine surface detail makes this kit a real winner, with the slightly complex breakdown of parts the only real challenge. Highly recommended for fans of pre/early-war British aircraft. Review sample courtesy of
  2. I'm in the process of migrating old builds from Photobucket to Flickr and whilst I can find the WIP of these two builds back in 2013, I couldn't find an RFI so thought I'd post them here linked to the Flickr pics. Build thread: Here It's the Frog Mk.I and old Airfix Mk.IV kits with Falcon canopies and plenty of scratch building to bring them up to date. Fun builds from what I remember and pleased with the results. Frog: Airfix: Thanks for looking
  3. Evening all, Tonight I've got the old FROG Blenheim I/1F on offer, finished as YX*N of the 54th OTU undergoing experiments and training with radar equipment. I find the old FROG builds up better than the new Airfix kit, but that may just be down to those blasted engine cowls and the annoyance of the bomb bay on the Airfix tooling. I used spare intake trumpets, aerials, and radar gear from the Airfix 1F boxing to add some life to the FROG kit, with decals coming from an Xtradecal sheet. I have all of their offerings for Blenheims and Bolongbrokes in 1/72, alongside sheets from AML, SBS, DK, and others. Needless to say, more Blenheims are on the way! Right, the pics Being all black, there's always some measure of visible dust... At some point I plan to go back and add a hint of chipping and wear, but for now it takes center stage on a shelf dedicated to Bristol Twins. Thanks in advance, Tweener
  4. So recently i got hold of one of my favourite world war 2 aircraft. The bristol blenheim was an aircraft which was both a bomber and a fighter but lacked improving technology along with other aircraft. By the 1940s it was considered the blenheim to be too outdated and was too slow against enemy fighters. Pilots and crew were awarded medals just for flying in the aircraft. So onto the kit and to begin with there is a very nice box art. And also a choice of day or night fighter included. And also some very well produced details, which is common in airfix new tooled models. As expected the parts are very well made... To begin with the undercarriage bulkheads where fitted into place and the main frames were fitted into place also. A small bit of detail will be required but already a good start. Next the main fuselage was joined together. Work then began on the cockpit sections. Including pilots seat bombardiers position and interior components. With a basecoat of green down weathering will be done with a wash and details picked out. To finish off the evening i fitted all the parts together with a dry fit to see how well the fitments are. Details and wash will be done next before fitting everything into place. And i am also looking for referances if for addimg details and other parts. Thanks for looking.
  5. Bristol's Blenheim, for better or worse, ranks as an iconic aircraft of the Royal Air Force. It once was seen, and promoted, as the fastest and most modern expression of air power. This was before hostilities with Nazi Germany commenced. Perhaps the true high point of the Blenheim's service career came shortly after its introduction to squadron service, at the Hendon air display of 1937, on the 26th of June, a Saturday. Here the Royal Air Force would show off its most modern aeroplanes, the first fruits of the program of expansion and re-equipment recently embarked on by the Air Ministry, before a crowd of tens of thousands who had paid sums ranging from a pound to a shilling for the spectacle. The program was planned to convey to the public the lesson that England's best defense was the bomber, able to wreak destruction directly on the foe. 114 (Hong Kong) Squadron, the first in the RAF to be equipped with the Blenheim, having received its first examples only in March, showed off the type's touted speed with a low level pass over the crowd by a vic of three. For this year's 'set-piece' performance, a 'Port Hendon' had been mocked up to be destroyed from the air. Blenheims of 114 Sqdn put in the first attack, outpacing the Gloster Gladiator fighters set to intercept them in defense of the port, though by script one was to fall out and dive away to represent a machine downed by anti-aircraft cannon. Heavier attacks followed on the port, most by other re-armament and expansion types such as the Whitley and Wellesley and Wellington. This model represents a machine of 114 Sqdn at the Hendon display of '37, with its turret in the retracted position. K7040 was the eighth production Blenheim, and was delivered to the squadron late in March. In February of 1938, it was struck off squadron charge and became, along with several other early arrivals to the squadron, an instructional airframe at No. 1 School of Technical Training. It was scrapped in the summer of 1943. It is a vintage Frog 1/72 kit, with a few small touchings up to give a bit more verisimilitude to the thing. The lower rear corner of the port side glazing is not clipped but square (if short), and a turret of more or less proper diameter and cylindrical shape contrived (by turning the kit piece upside down and capping it with a round of 1mm clear sheet). Decals are from the XtraDecal sheet, with a small hyphen added. This, and the outboard placement of the number, was a feature of the first dozen or so Blenheims delivered.
  6. Hi all, I came back to modelling during Covid and found this forum really useful for tips, advice & inspiration. It took me a while to make an account, and now I have got my confidence up again, I’m happy to start sharing my builds! Once I’ve sorted an image hosting option, I’ll begin posting. About the kit - I had my eye on it for a while (partly because of the unusual Romanian airforce decal scheme), I’m hoping it will be an enjoyable build, seems to be well thought out by the kit designers so far… My finish/technique may not be up to the standard of many of you (yet), but I’ve been improving (a lot), compared to my childhood models and I’d be really grateful for comments & advice!
  7. I'll sneak in with this one, if I may - the Airfix Bristol Blenheim Mk IV in the 'red stripe' boxing and 'all action' artwork. Look at that sky blue plastic!!! There were a couple of extra clear parts in the box and there is an 'empty' spot on the trees - might be a bit missing. Locate and cement.....
  8. Here’s my 1/72 Airfix Blenheim Mk.I finished just last week. The model won 3rd place in its category at the Granitecon show in Manchester, NH this past Sunday. It was a well attended show with over 500 models entered across the various categories.
  9. The sole surviving original Blenheim in the world, a Mk IV registered as BL-200 of the Finnish Air Force, now completely restored at the Aviation Museum of Central Finland at Tikkakoski. Pics thanks to Sergey (mr_stomach)
  10. The sole surviving original Blenheim in the world, a Mk IV registered as BL-200 of the Finnish Air Force, now completely restored at the Aviation Museum of Central Finland at Tikkakoski. Pics thanks to Sergey (mr_stomach)
  11. My friend & I are just starting on building our Classic Airframes 1/48 Bristol Blenheim Mk.IVs, and I had a question on the interior colors for a Finnish aircraft. I read a post online that the Finnish aircraft did not use RAF interior green, but some shade of gray. Can anybody confirm this? If so, what would be a good match for Testors Model Master enamels? My friend is going to do his Blenheim in Free French markings, so we are assuming that its interior would still be painted in RAF interior green. Larry
  12. Bristol Blenheim Mk. IV, 89 Sqd., DK Decals. I have decided to make this very catchy a/c, with a nice shark mouth. So as always made some research for this build, found some nice photos of the a/c online. Then pulled the 89 sqd. records from The National Archives, to check if this Beaufighter equiped unit have had used a Blenheim. And found this. First entry is: 14.12.42, Z7709, W/Cdr. J.A.Leathart. D.S.O. 1600 - 1630 air test This must have been a test flight by the W/Cdr himself alone to accept the plane. there are recorded flight on the 15/12, 16/12, 17/12, 8/2/43, 22/2, 12.3.43, Z7709, F/O Harding, 2 passengers 1410 - Tripoli This is the last recorded flight. Have checked 3 mdr. further but no entries, so must have been turned over to another unit at Tripoli. F/O Harding must have returned straight away as he is flying Beaufighter V. 8374 on 13/3 1420 - 1510. So the info that photos show a Blenheim attached to 89. sqd. as a hack is correct, only the serial no. is wrong Z9585 is a Bleinheim, but not the one at 89. sqd. And i think that the Midstone/Dark Earth/Black is ok, as far as i can see. So would appreciate if any one had comments to this before i start the build. Cheers Jes
  13. Prompted by the Spitfire and Hurricane topics I've noted with the same intent, I trust it's not out of order to establish one for the Blenheim, as I suspect a few of us are getting stuck into the Airfix Blenheim kits. I have 4 on the go - a pair of Mk. I and Mk. IV types respectively. When I get a moment, I might put links to some of the recent questions about the Blenheim in this post/thread - and start my build thread.
  14. I'm working on Classic Airframes 1/48 Blenheim IV.f. I've vacuformed the blister side windows, and cut out and filled the triangle window in the center of the windscreen, and am working on the other details that make the 404 Squadron Coastal Command aircraft interesting. Here's some of the progress so far … The blister windows .. The cockpit (based on pilots handbook photo's) Lot's of scratchbuilding here, including the throttle quadrant (20 pieces in that!) The engines, props, and flame suppressing exhaust (Ultracast Beaufighter long exhaust, with a reprofiled bomb nose) ... and the twin Browning .303 upper turret (all scratch built) hope you like so far Colin
  15. I'm working on the Classic Airframes Blenheim Mk IV, to be finished as a 404 Squadron machine, Coastal Command. I think I have identified all the changes I believe I need to make as follows ... - The bulged side windows, - The rear view mirror for the pilot, - The small oval windows behind the canopy, - The flame hiding 'hedgehog' exhaust, - The twin .30 cal. Browning machine guns in the turret, - The unusual blast plate ahead of the gun pack, and, - The non standard gun pack. I do have a couple of questions for those who might know, though. Have I missed any changes that I still have to make, and, what is the significance and the color of the semi-circular dark marking on the landing gear doors above the main wheel. It appears in all the photo's of 404 Squadrons Blenheim's. Does the marking continue onto the wing or nacelle? I hope someone may know, and thanks for your help, in advance. Colin
  16. Finally got started on my Airfix Blenheim Mk.I. Decided to give it the full treatment with PE and resin parts. Made up my mind long time ago to use decals from an Xtradecal sheet for a 45 Sqn aircraft in desert colours. Have now reached the stage when the interior areas must be painted before I can continue. The colour for the cockpit is no problem; standard British interior gray green. Now, Airfix gives the same colour for the wheel wells, the bomb bay, gun turret interior, and the insides of the engine cowlings. Whilst this might very well be corect, I'm always a bit suspicious about the colours given in kit instructions. So I would be very thankful if anyone could confirm this or correct it if it's wrong. Airfix also states that the landing gear legs were black. This is certainly true for the restored Blenheim Mk.IV at Hendon. However looking at many contemporary b/w photos, although not of the best quality, the gear legs appear much too bright to be black. To me it looks like they were painted interior gray green too, just like the wheel wells. Or could it be painted aluminium, just like the wheels? Questions like this can sometimes drive you nuts! TIA
  17. Hi everyone! For this group build I'll be building a 1/48 Bristol Blenheim Mk. I night fighter. Below are some shots of the kit and the extras I'll be using (Eduard "Zoom" photoetch set, seatbelts and paint mask, and AML camouflage mask). I've struggled with Airfix 1/72 Blenheims in the past so I'm curious to see how the 1/48 version goes together. I have followed other builds such as this one and I'm planning to use some of the tips mentioned. You'll see from the third photo below that I've already started dry fitting to see how well the main parts fit. From what I can tell it looks to be a great kit ... I hope! All the best, Matt
  18. While the decals on the Sea Fury are drying prior to putting on more and the MIG-17 PFU is off the bench I have started the Blenheim Mk 1f. I have started on the interior builds with the bomb bay and cockpit areas together and put in to the fuselage for a test fit. It appears to be ok but I might have to check the bomb bay as it appears to have a very slight gap there. It may just close when glues but I don't want to put undue pressure in to the fuselage. The pilots area is a complicated beast that seems to fit in ok. The bomb bay goes together well but the stage where you have to cut the parts to make the centre beam in half confuse me, hopefully it is something to do with a difference between the bomber and fighter version
  19. Hi Gents I know the subject has been treated but i would like to know if someone can do a reliable synthesis for the colors of: - Interior (cockpit, turret): Raf Grey-green. - Undercarriage bay: Aluminium or Raf Grey-green ? - Undercarriage : Aluminium/black or Raf grey-green/black - Flaps (interior): grey-green. for a Mk.1 or Mk.1f. Do you know where i can find a plan with rivets lines (book, internet) ? Thanks a lots Best regards Pierre
  20. OK, my first WIP in a long while has come to a bit of a disappointing end. I was going great guns until impatience was mixed with an equal amount of stupidity in a similar proportion to how I mixed Flory Wash with the not quite dry enough Pledge to create the new, and most certainly unwelcome, phenomenon of "Fledge"! Yes it could have ended up so much better and I know it; so be gentle, I feel bad enough already! I have tried to use the most flattering angles! Now I wasn't going to show you all my far too dirty knickers but in for a penny in for a pound. Although it has a B printed on the nose in my book this is very much a D Minus - must try harder! Arrrrrrggghhhhhhhh!!!! Chris
  21. As most will know Airfix are up to their stash spoiling ways again and are releasing a completely over detailed 1/48 Blenheim 1, at no point did they ask me if that was acceptable, if they had I would have told them straight 'no thank you, I have a perfectly good Contrail one'. So as a snub to Airfix I'm going to indulge in some proper modelling by building it regardless; it will be detailed but not over detailed with never to be seen again , I know it's there interiors and to make it different it will be the prototype Blenheim 1 K7033 in natural metal finish, a silver shiny Blenheim like this.... Typical Contrail vacform sheets, but I have a Classic Airframes interior resin set, plus replacement wheels and a paintmask- see, I'm not as stupid as I look. a few reference works to assist. Like all vac builds nothing will happen for a while why I hack and sand the bits into shape.
  22. Happy New Year to my fellow Britmodellers! Here is my Airfix 1/72 Blenheim MkIVF. The shape is nice but the fixtures and fittings are not as refined as their more recent offerings. It has SBS resin spinners, Eduard PE, Quickboost Brownings and a fine molds nano-aviation Lewis gun. Looking at the plans of the Blenheim in the Valiant book I decided the dorsal turret needed to be lowered by 1 mm. The wing tip nav lights were formed from Krystal clear and sprue bulbs. Hope you like it? Andrew
  23. Airfix 1:48 Blenheim IF - Colours of L6739 YP-Q, currently flying with ARCo at Duxford. The Inside - To start off, this kit is fantastic by Airfix. Nearly everything is in there thats on the real thing. You can really see they researched this kit well. The instrument panel is detailed superbly with raised detail, unlike other Airfix panels that were just flat. The decals on the panel were also very well done, as shown in the photo they went on well and the colours are good. The rest of the cockpit is well made with all of the main controls, dials and wheels in place. The two spars coming off the bathtub-like structure provide extra strength to the wings, all four fit very nicely into the allocated gaps. The cockpit glass - Unlike the inside where everything fitted fine, the glass was a different story. To start with, Airfix indicate the wrong left-hand side canopy (there are two in the kit). If you look at photos of the aircraft, you will see the difference. The fit was dreadful on both sides, and if Airfix did the whole front section in one mold it would certainly better (but im not sure this is even possible with injection moulding?) . Maybe something for them to consider if they are doing a bomber version or a Mk IV version. The rest of the glass/ canopies - As you can see, my hand isnt the steadiest and masking individual panels wouldnt be worth it. Only after painting did I realise Eduard has done a set of masks. Bummer really. The turret came with a nice little assembly jig that helped ALOT with the little parts. The turret fitted together fine and can just be slot into place onto the aircraft. Personally I haven't glued it into place just to add that element that the aircraft can 'move' . I also didnt glue the main wheels on, since the undercarriage spars are really quite tight on the wheels and they havent come off yet after a few days of me rolling it around. The tailwheel though is one solid piece, and strangely its one of the last things you're told to put in place (i.e not during the closing of the fuselage). The engines - The engines could be a model of their own - the 6 part engine and 3 part propeller are superbly detailed and the first proper radials I've made. The propellers move aswell which is nice, as shown below. No photoshop! Just some wind a slow shutter speed. All in all its a superb kit, and Airfix are really doing well with the new toolings. My only wish would be rivet details like Eduard's but you cant have everything. Hope you all had a wonderful Christmas and may the new year bring you joy through scale modelling! All the best, Olly.
  24. So, this is my first input since I joined this forum a few weeks ago. Probably some of you will be bored by another Blenheim building report - especialy the 40+ year old airfix model. However building this kit will hopefully be an important step to improve my skills. As usual I started with interieur details. Actualy I planned to add some details to the cockpit to make it look more interesting. But in the end I build up a totaly new cockpit section, using only some fragments of the kits parts. Pictures will follow ...
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