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  1. On holiday at home relaxing watching railway drivers eye view video's on & spotted two aircraft parked on an industrial estate in Knutsford - Jet Provost & what appears to be a Hawk, further investigation via Google street view aso shows a Tornado at the same premesis. Anybody know the background? On the left at around 57 min 10s into the followng video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSr0EXGxpdE
  2. The well known and loved by all Special Hobby's kit is well worth the manufacturer's brand. Special in every aspect: quality of the molds, fit, level of details, accuracy. And isn't our hobby (inter alia) a struggle against the efforts of producers, how to do something wrong, if it could be good. So everything is all right. If you are interested in details and have strong nerves, please look for the workshop thread. The construction process was marked by numerous problems, caused by myself. First the fuselage broke twice where it was connected to the engine cowling, then after assembling the airframe and painting, I dropped it on the desk and the instrument panel inside fell off ... reinstalling it perfectly did not succeed, poor access, but I didn't want to make such a large step back and brake the fuselage into halves. Decals were too transparent, had to overpaint them. I broke one leg of the landing gear, lost one gear leg cover (the one in the front of the gear nacelle, finally I made them both of an aluminium sheet obtained from a tin of Felix peanuts), I lost the fuel filler cap too, replaced with a scratch-built one. At the end I unfortunately grabbed it with dirty fingers and the marks had to be removed ... But finally, here it is. Here it is and it proves that even with medium abilities and skills in the use of putty and file, this model can be put together. And this is probably the most important thing. Few things added: rivets, missing panel lines, modification of armament in the wings, antenna mountings on the wings, vertical stabilizer and fuselage, 0.2 mm Uschi van der Rosten antenna cables with insulators made of hygienic stick stretched over fire (does anyone use them for any other purpose, btw?), wheel well covers from CMK resin, barrels from Master. The rest - straight from the box. Painted with MRP Paints. Colors according to the AJ-Press monograph: old leaves - early US Olive Drab, young leaves - early US Medium Green, underside of wings and horizontal fins painted silver, with upper surface color over the leading edge. In combination with the orange markings (Dutch Decals DDS003 R.Netherlands East Indies Air Force) - it looks very nice and different, I think. Hope you like it :). Best regards and Happy New Year! Hubert
  3. canopy was missing from the kit so had to wait for it to arrive in the post from revell, after a quick email asking for a new one. Also needs some decal fix to really sink the arrow down on the underside.
  4. Here is my Airfix Hawk T2 of 25 Sqn at RAF Valley. Thought the new squadron would a nice way to start on the Hawk stash. Still find getting a nice gloss finish a bit of a battle and this is my first effort with the gloss black. Additions for this kit were the Air Graphics decals and baggage pod, aftermarket metal Pitot Probe and scratch built wing tip missiles and aerial behind the cockpit..
  5. My entry for this GB will be the HobbyBoss 1/48 Hawk T-1A No 4 Flying Training School, RAF Valley Though I had thought of building an F-5E Tiger of VFC-13 Flying Saints Adversary Squadron - “Training the Fleet Air Wings” from NAS Fallon
  6. LukGraph Resin is to release in March 2019 a 1/32nd Curtiss AT-5/AT-5A Hawk resin kit - ref.32-19 Source: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2138392953141433&set=a.1464998240480911&type=3&theater Box art V.P.
  7. Miles M.14 Hawk III/ Magister Mk.I "Egyptian, Turkish and Thai" Special Hobby 1:48 The Miles M.14 Magister was designed to meet the Air Ministry Specification T.40/36. Miles based the Magister on their existing Hawk Trainer. The Magister was a tandem open cockpit design with a low wing cantilever monoplane. The main structure was Spruce with a covering of plywood. The centre wing section was of constant section, having no dihedral. The outer sections had dihedral and tapered towards the tip. The undercarriage was fixed on the main and tail wheels. The main wheels could be covered by spats. Production was started in 1937 and by the start of WWII over 700 Magisters were in RAF service. As well as the central flying school 16 elementary flying schools used the type. By the time production ended in 1941 1203 aircraft had been built. As well as these 100 were licence built in Turkey. As well as use by the RAF the aircraft were used primarily by The Irish Air Corps, The Egyptian Air Force, and The South African Air Force. Other users Were Thailand, Portugal, New Zealand, Malaya, Latvia, Estonia, Belgium, Canada and Australia. The Kit The kit arrives in a standard open-ended box from Special Hobby. They must be trying to economise as the box is the old release Magister box with a cover glued on, so you can only open one end. The kit comes as two main sprues of grey plastic, one clear sprue, one vac formed clear part, one bag of resin parts; and two photo etched frets. Also there is one small sprue of a light grey plastic, this seems to be a harder plastic than the kit and this is used for the landing gear struts. Shockingly construction starts with the cockpit! This area of the kit is highly detailed, most of which will be seen through the open cockpits. Many photoetched parts are added to the inside of the fuselage halves and to the resin cockpit floor. Resin seats attach to resin seat backs. Four part seat belts are provided for each seat, and the small rudder pedals are made up of four separate parts for each cockpit. Instrument panels are made by laminating the photoetched parts. Once the cockpit has been completed the rest of the airframe does not take much work. The fuselage halves are joined and the engine section is joined and added. Following the the tailplanes are added along with the rudder. The aircraft in this boxing had different rudders so please chose the right one. Next the landing gear is added. The Egyptian machine has Spats while the other two options do not. The tail wheel is added along with the propellor and its boss. Some small parts of photoetch details are nearly the final parts added. The last stage is to add the blind flying hood (not used on the Egyptian Machine). This can be added in the lowered or up position using the appropriate parts. I am sure if not wanted it can be left off as I doubt they flew with it attached all of the time. Photo-etch Two small frets of photo etched parts are supplied.These contain most of the parts for the cockpit, instrument panels and seat belts. Other parts are for the landing gear, small metal airframe parts; and attachments for the blind flying hood. Canopy Small injection windscreens are provided for both cockpits. As well as this a vacform part is supplied which is the blind flying hood in the open position. The parts are clear and well formed. Decals Decals are provided for three aircraft. Black 4/L-204 Light Training School, Egyptian Army Air Force, Almaza, Egypt 1938 (trainer Yellow). White 2, Initial Flight Training Squadron, Turkish Air Force 1944 (Olive Green/Light Blue. Black 116, Royal Thai Air Force 1951/52 (overall Silver). Decals are printed by Avi Print, look to be in register with good colour definition. Conclusion The model is a typical shorter run multi-media kit we would expect from MPM. The plastic has some nice detail if sparse (but then the real aircraft did not have too much in this respect). The resin and photo etched parts are well made and will add interest to the open cockpits. Some thought has gone into its production with the harder plastic for the landing gear legs a nice touch. This would be a good level entry kit into the world of mixed/multi media kits. Overall highly recommended. Review sample courtesy of
  8. Freedom Model Kits (FMK - http://freedommks.com/) is to release a new tool 1/48th Curtiss BF2C-1 Model 68 Hawk III - ref.18009 Sources: https://www.facebook.com/Freedom-model-kits-600562580024267/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1186965128050673 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153945700289147&set=gm.1801612763387939&type=3&theater V.P.
  9. Hi Everyone, This is the first time I have posted a model in the RFI section. As the title suggests this is the recent 1/72 tool Hawk from Revell (04921). The kit is good despite surprising amounts of flash for its age and bright red plastic (well it is a Red Arrows kit after all). As the kit only includes the very early short fin fillet and curved rear of the fuselage, I decided to complete it as XX164 of the Central Flying School, RAF Valley 1979. This meant I had to modify the kit seats to add the wider headbox. These were completed with homemade masking tape belts. I also lengthened the intake scoops behind the canopy, as these are too short in the kit. Various other details were scratch built like the pitot tube (albion alloys brass tube) and underside antennas (plasticard). The kit features no intake trunking, so these were blocked off with covers scratch built also from plasticard, referencing photos online. The moulded in beacons on the spine and ahead of the airbrake were replaced with offcuts of the clear sprue, sanded to shape. Photos online suggested that this aircraft lacked the blade antenna on the spine in its early days, so I left it off. The main decals are from Xtradecal's X72-166 set and the stencils are from the X72-168 set from the same company. The model was primed with UMP white followed by Mr Hobby's White and Light Aircraft Grey. The red was Revell Aqua Gloss Fiery Red. After some light weathering in was coated with Ammo by Mig Lucky Varnish Satin. The canopy detonation cord was hand painted as the detail is raised on the inside. I have plenty more Hawk decals left from the Xtradecal sets so I will have to build some more In the future. I hope you enjoy. Mark.
  10. Hey BM looking for kit recommendations to do :- RAF Tornado (scheme from the last 10 years)any help on payloads also would be much welcome. Finnish Hawk (in the recent 2 grey scheme) A-7E (Late 80's almost 90's).I've had a nosey on this one and it seems a toss up between the hard to get Fujimi or the Esci mould?. Super Etendard (most current scheme/variant) any help on payloads on this one too. Harrier GR.3 (Falklands maybe post Falklands).Any help on smart bomb loads would be great too. Thanks in advance Shane.
  11. Hobbyboss 1:48 BAe Hawk T.1 XX172 of RAF St Athan station Flight 2001 with ModelAlliance 'Dragon Hawk' limited edition decals. Overall I am satisfied with it but the glue failed on the seat belts after I fixed the canopy in place and the gloss is not as glossy as I would like...plus I should have taken more time with the transfers....but overall from a distance I'm happy....
  12. AFV Club is working on a 1/48th Curtiss BF2C-1 Hawk III kit - ref. ? Source: https://www.facebook.com/AFVCLUB.TW/photos/a.237327066312820.56570.236926266352900/1776152392430272/?type=3&theater Box art Remember Freedom Model Kits is also preparing a similar model: link V.P.
  13. I succumbed - such a great idea, Hawker (Siddeley) GB - an iconic company through the years. Yes the Hawk is now built by BAE - but started life in 1974 as the Hawker Siddeley Hawk (XX154 the maiden flight) so has graced the RAF since it entered service in late 1976 - thats 41 years service, which I suspect will be hard to match in service life by type over the RAFs 100 years? So it made sense to build a Hawk to celebrate its status amongst so many iconic aircraft. I have a twin build RAF Hawk T1A build going on in the RAF Centenary GB, in a 19Sqn Spitfire Cam guise.....this build may well be out of the box Red Arrows scheme, unless anyone knows the man who made the 2015 tail masks - are they still available, I can't find them! I will also look at other RAF decal options. Will be a challenge to finish both as I am off to work at the World Cup early June.
  14. Thought I would pitch in with this - sat in the stash, with another for sometime. Came across the story of this paint job and also saw the decals. Never built 1/32, so here goes. Off to the World Cup on June 3rd, so will need to get on with it. Have a couple of Airfix Harriers on the bench that missed the FB online build I entered for its 50th anniversary - will need to get those done as well, maybe for the next KUTA! Link to the RAF? Well they threw me out of planes for 25 years, I also got a 'hop' in a Hawk out of Valley as part of my FAC - Forward Air Controller (new money JTAC - Joint Terminal Air Controller) course. The idea was to understand what a fast jet pilot sees and his workload whilst we are talking him onto a target....so when mentioning a 'Red roofed barn' to a pilot doing 450 knots at 250 ft, he is likely to ask which F@@king one! Great experience that also included the Mach Loop. Plan is to use Mr Paint. Tempted to twin build a Red Arrows jet in the Hawker Siddeley GB!
  15. This is my long in the making 1/32 Revell Hawk T1. Xtradecal 100 Sqn anniversary markings & CMK extras for the cockpit & ejector seat. Apart from the dreaded red plastic, it's quite a nice kit but the decals for the MDC were a scrat and, despite copious amounts of Microsol, still don't look quite right. Should I make another I'd trim those decals. Apologies for the dust, which I've just noticed on the pics (D'oh!) & some silvering of the decals. Comments, observations & criticisms welcome. Pete Thanks for looking.
  16. This is the old Hawk kit, in the Testors box with new decals. For a 1/48 kit it's pretty small. Detail is pretty much non existent, there is literally no interior to speak of except for a pilot figure holding a control column, but I have omitted him. The outline of the colour scheme is also engraved into the surface of the kit, so it's all been either masked and sprayed, or painted freehand. I knocked up a small base for it to sit on out of a picture frame and some floch.
  17. BAe Hawk T.1 Red Arrows 1:72 Revell When the RAF began the search for a new fast jet trainer to replace the Folland Gnat, it was originally intended that the role would be fulfilled by the SEPECAT Jaguar. However, the advanced capabilities demanded of the new Anglo-French aircraft meant that it became too complex for use as a trainer As a result, Hawker Siddley Aviation began work on a private venture known as the P.1182. The design team of Gordon Hudson, Gordon Hodson and Ralph Hooper produced a relatively simple, subsonic aircraft with a number of clever features. The fuselage is designed around a large, tandem cockpit, which features a significant difference in height between the seat for student in the front and that for the instructor in the back. This affords the instructor a much better view than in the Gnat. The wings featured double-slotted flaps which gives the Hawk excellent low-speed handling characteristics. The first of the 176 Hawks ordered by the RAF entered service in 1976, designated the Hawk T.1. 88 T.1s were modified to T.1A standard, which allowed them to carry two AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles for use in the emergency air defence role. The Hawks reputation as an excellent aeroplane has been confirmed by the considerable success it has enjoyed in the export market. Users include the air forces of Australia, Canada, Finland, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates amongst others. A highly modified carrier capable version is in service with the United States Navy, where it is known as the T-45 Goshawk. The most famous role occupied by the Hawk, however, is as the mount of the world-renowned Royal Air Force Aerobatic Team the Red Arrows. We're not exactly short of kits of the Hawk, and it's easy to see why the diminutive British jet is such an attractive subject for model kit manufacturers. As the chosen mount of one of the world's foremost aerobatic display teams, the Hawk will always be a popular choice amongst the model buying public. Revell's new kit arrives packed into their new style end-opening box and comprises seventy parts spread across three sprues of coloured plastic and a single small clear sprue. Somewhat inevitably, this particular edition is moulded from bright red plastic. While this might be an annoyance for the po-faced, it does lend proceedings a sense of fun. The plastic parts themselves are beautifully moulded and engraved details are fine, crisp and clean. The overall shape looks promising on the sprue, and from what I can tell this kit should be free from any serious shape errors. In line with the usual model building clichés, construction starts with the cockpit. This prominent feature is made up of a large tandem tub, instrument panels and coamings, control columns and bulkheads. The ejection seats are each made up of three parts and look very good indeed, both in terms of detail and shape. Unlike its rival from Airfix, the cockpit is fully detailed, with instruments and controls picked out on both instrument panels and all of the side consoles. Decals are also provided, but I would be hesitant to cover up all of that lovely detail. Airfix have provided decals to represent details on the instrument panels and side consoles, as the plastic parts lack any raised detail. Once complete, the whole sub-assembly can be sandwiched between the fuselage halves, along with the jet exhaust pipe, fin fillet and airbrake bay interior (the airbrake itself can be fitted in either the open or closed position). The wing is moulded as a single lower span with separate port and starboard upper wings. Ailerons are moulded in place, and there are quite chunky sprue attachment points on the leading edges of the wing (and the horizontal tail surfaces too). These shouldn't cause any problems for most modellers , but care will need to be taken when removing these parts from the sprue. The undercarriage occupies six stages of the construction process and is very finely detailed indeed. The gear doors are moulded as solid pieces in order to make the wheels-up configuration a little easier to build, so they must be cut up along the moulded score lines in order to finish the model as it would appear on the ground. The cockpit canopy has been moulded in two pieces, so it can be finished in either the open or closed position. The smaller parts such as the blade aerials are very fine indeed. The parts specific to the Red Arrows variant are all included on one sprue and include a nicely moulded under-fuselage smoke pod, as well as the smoke injectors for the jet exhaust. As you might have expected, the decal sheet allows you to build a Red Arrows Hawk or more specifically a range of Red Arrows Hawks. The decals are extremely clear and crisp and judging by the serial number on the sheet were printed for Revell by Cartograf. Conclusion While there are a few Hawks available in this scale, in my view Revell's effort has surpassed the models already on the market, making it the go-to option for those wishing to build a model of the type. Hopefully a further boxing with extra parts to make some non-Red Arrows versions will follow in a year or two's time. In the meantime, let's enjoy this well-detailed little kit for what it is and build some Hawks! Recommended. Revell model kits are available from all good toy and model retailers. For further information visit or
  18. At club night, the first remark I heard about this model was ... "You do know it's not a Harrier, don't you?" ... which explains why my usual instructions and build notes didn't match the parts I was working on. And then I heard "It's a bit big for you, isn't it? ... which also explains why none of the items in my spares box were any use at all and the paint was disappearing faster than usual. Sadly the next remark was not "Do you want a beer?" but "Have you had enough of Harriers then?" And the answer to that is, "No, of course not!" Now it's true to say that this model was a freebie and perhaps not my first choice, but that's due to the scale and not the subject. After all, it is in the Hawker family. I would build more, but there's too many Harriers to get through. As it's a dull and dreary day before Easter, I thought I'd add some colour to a grey day ... look away now as the rest of the thread contains images you may find disturbing on a military fast jet in active service ... For the record it's the Kinetic 1/32nd scale Hawk 100 Series kit in the airshow display team colours of the 85th Combat Flying School, South African Air Force. Except for the addition of the rear chaff / flare dispenser it uses the parts straight from the kit. SAAF decals are home made and used alongside kit stencils. The paint scheme is brushed (Vallejo / Xtracrylix acrylics) with the exception of the yellow which is from a rattle can. Any resemblance to a Mk.120, particularly the cockpit, is coincidental, as the Hawk experts among you will already have noticed.
  19. This had been in the stash for ages; the Airfix 'Design a Hawk' boxing picked up cheap, Midnight Hawks decals from a previous kit, also a knockdown PE kit from Hannants(Eduard made I believe}......what's not to like?? !!!LOADS!!! Firstly the kit is the early tool Airfix....one piece canopy, so won't see lovely PE cockpit anyway I think the PE was made for the newer mould it was so hard to fit(gave up on most of it) New aerials to build/fit and no pylons or smoke gennies. Screwed up the det cord lines in the canopy(again...how do you paint these without taking the paint off later?) Paints were Tamiya XF-61 dark Green with a drop of black and Vallejo MA 010 interior green. So slightly dissapointed by this build but here it is anyway, a 'problem shared' and all that !!
  20. BAe Hawk T.1a in the 75th anniversary scheme of 234 Sqn, 1 TWU, RAF Brawdy, 1992. Airfix kit oob with Xtradecal decals and scratch built seatbelts, cushions, nose light and pitot tube. I tried to replicate the grime toward the rear.... Overall went together very well but I could have improved the finish on the fin and around the canopy.
  21. Dedicated to the memory of FltLt John Egging who tragically lost his life whilst performing with the Red Arrows on 20th August, 2011. RIP Fltlt Egging, blue skies and godspeed Hello everyone, Here are a few images of the Revell Hawk in 1/32nd scale. I bought this model from a nationwide discount retailer (Argos) here in the UK when it first came out. It was a spur of the moment, impulse buy but I'm glad I did. For just £18.99, Revell have given us huge value for money. After watching a few on-line builds and hearing of a few minor quibbles I began with the cockpit and seats. One area that has been criticised are the seats. It would appear that Revell have molded their replicas with the seat base at its' highest position giving a somewhat squat appearance when compared to many reference photos. However, one gentleman on another forum explained that the seats are left in that position when the crew leaves the aircraft so I chose to leave the seats as they are. For the most part, the detail is good even down to the rocket pack beneath the seat base but there are areas where some extra TLC can be used to spice things up visually. The first area for attention is the drogue chute and top of the seat headbox. This is devoid of any raised detail straight out of the box so metal foil and bits of lead wire were added to liven things up. A second area for help are the straps. Revell thoughtfully provide a suggestion of the straps on the decal sheet but in this scale those decals are n't particularly convincing. Again, metal foil was used to create depth. The pilot and pupil IPs are identical and Revell provide a one piece decal to cover all of the instrumentation. The plastic has raised switchgear molded in relief and I was n't confident in the decals ability to conform to the panel so I opted to punch out the instrument faces and add them seperately on top of the painted parts. The tub side consoles are also provided as decals but I chose to paint the panels instead. One notable omission is the ribbing on the inside face of each fuselage side. Whereas the full sized airframe has an obvious framework visible, the kit is smooth in this department so lengths of Evergreen plastic extrusion were used to simulate the various beams and cross members. I also chose to add a GPS device to the front IP coaming from plasticard with a foil cover over it as well as a foil document pouch on the rear bulkhead behind the rear seat. One or two pipes and wires were added to the voids in the front cockpit beside the seat to give those empty areas a lift. A last tweek involved creating a "bib" for the rear seat to tidy up the straps whilst the Red Arrows pilot performs his/her display. This was made from foil again (useful stuff this metal foil ). My intention is to finish the model all buttoned up, parked between displays. The canopy will be closed, I'll use foil to create cloth effect intake and exhaust covers and I'll add a selection of RBF streamers around the airframe. I'd like to lower the flaps as I've aleady seen a number of great builders who have paved the way on that one. I'd also like to show the airbrake deployed too and thanks to some superb photos here on BM (thanks Mark ) I should manage to add a pipe or two in there. One of the things that has me scratching my head most though is the undulating stressed skin effect to the rear of the cockpit just above the intake trunking. The Hawk has a number of obvious bulged panels in that area so recreating that effect will be a challenge. I'll let you know how I get on in due course. Thanks for stopping by, see you all next time.
  22. Hi all, So this is my latest finish, Revell's 1/72 Hawk T1 in Red Arrows scheme for the recent 'Made in Britain' GB. The build thread is here and the kit is 100% out of box with the kit decals. Like all my builds, this one is brush painted and happy with how it turned out. Revell_04921_Red_Arrows_Hawk_Done (11) crop by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr Revell_04921_Red_Arrows_Hawk_Done (6) crop by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr Revell_04921_Red_Arrows_Hawk_Done crop by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr Revell_04921_Red_Arrows_Hawk_Done (5) crop by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr Revell_04921_Red_Arrows_Hawk_Done (3) crop by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr Revell_04921_Red_Arrows_Hawk_Done (18) crop by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr Revell_04921_Red_Arrows_Hawk_Done (2) crop by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr Thanks for looking! Cheers, Dermot
  23. So I'm looking to build a 100 Sqn Hawk using Revell's 1/32 offering, and I'm looking to fit it out with the RAIDS system - Google has come up with a 1/48 resin example, but nothing in the larger scale. Has anyone come across these somewhere? Or scratched/bastardised one from something else? If anyone has any info that could help, I'd be most grateful! Additionally, info on where to source two decent examples of 1/32 RAF aircrew would be greatly appreciated!
  24. Hi all, So the theme of this GB got me thinking that I probably couldn't get more Made in Britain than a Red Arrows Hawk. The Reds have been quite literally "flying the flag" all over the world since the 1960s, thrilling airshow crowds with their precision, professionalism and skill. While I only got to see them for real as an adult, I've plenty of childhood memories watching them as part of Farnborough and Airshow specials on TV as a 'lad, with Raymond Baxter on commentary. Splendid stuff. So Smoke On and here's to the Reds! While I was going to use this kit from the stash... Airfix Hawk A03085 Box by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr With these decals... RAF Red Arrows Hawk 2014 scheme by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr To end up with one of these RAF_Red_Arrows_depart_RIAT_Fairford_14thJuly2014_arp by Dermot Moriarty, on Flickr (Source Wikipedia Commons - public domain image). If I've time, I might also try to build an early Harrier. Thanks for looking and good luck with your build. Dermot
  25. Hi All, As a stop gap between more detailed modelling projects, I decided to do a straight OOB build of the Italeri Hawk, because who doesn't need a Red Arrows aircraft in their collection. I'm having some issues with the front seat positioning. The mounts seem to force the seat into the wrong positioning. Has anyone else made this kit that can perhaps give me some pointers, or even photos of how they did it? All the builds I've found have been hit by the Photobucket money grab issue. (please excuse the current paint job. Just getting some base colours on and was dry fitting and discovered this issue). Notice the front seat area has mountings angled down towards the front. The rear one has less mountings and they are horizontal. Position 1, Clearly not right, placed on the higher step. position 2, doesn't seem right either. Placed on the lower step, it seems too far forward. I can't get the seat flush with the back vertical section, and the base horizontal mounting section because they're not at right angles to each other, but the seat is. Please help!!!
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