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    Il-28 Beagle 1/48; questions (HPH; Bobcat related)

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    Posted · Edited by Diego

    5 hours ago, Jordi said:

    Interesting that apparently not all Il-28Rs had the bulged nacelles, and presumably the larger wheels with the hydraulic “spin up” motors..

     

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    Hi Jordi,

    In this case, the answer is simple, but could be a bit surprizing: This is not a recce Il-28R, but an ELINT version Il-28 RTR, with electronic equipment installed in wingtip pods similar to the tip tanks used by the R to carry fuel. Therefore, this version didn't have the larger wheels nor bulged nacelles, as there were no weight increase compared to the bombers...but anyway, your observation was spot on.

    [BTW, the official description of the pic is not quite correct, as the IL-28 RT ( another ELINT variant) has no "tip tank pods" but two identical belly radomes, one of them above the bomb bay doors. See the Hungarian "red 19" on the HD48036 decal set for more details. ]

    Greetings

    Diego

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    Hi-Decal 2019 - News and Upcoming Projects

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    15 hours ago, SleeperService said:

    You aren't alone!

     

    @Diego Have you considered doing stencil sheets to allow multiple builds from your sheets? I'd suspect many have old kits with rubbish decals or no stencil data at all.

    Well, of course this could be done later. Many thanks for this suggestion :)

    On the new T-33 sheet there are indeed few stencils included, as

    - some aftermarket stencils sets are currently available,

    - only the UBAF and IIAF birds have "full" stencilling.

      - the 2 IRIAF T-33 got only minimal stencilling after repainting (included)

      - The Cuban T-33 was quickly repainted in camo scheme and has no stencils at all.   This means, you will be able to build 3 aircraft from this set completely - for the two others the specific stencils that might not be included on a kit decal are provided - the other ones could be used from the GWH , Academy or Platz (Tanmodel), Sword and Hasegawa offerings.

    Greetings

    Diego

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    1/48 - Ilyushin Il-28T "Beagle" by Bobcat Hobby Model Kits - released - new Eduard detailing sets

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    9 hours ago, ReccePhreak said:

    If I am able to make a photo-recce version from the parts in the kit (except for the cameras & camera windows), I may just order one.

    At my "Glacial" rate of building, by the time I get around to it, there just may be aftermarket cameras available. :pray:

     

    Larry

    Hi Larry,

     

    Indeed, the tip tanks may not be included in the "bomber" release, so this would be the boxing to use.

     

    Of course, there is a possibility that the "R" will be released separately, with tip tanks and camera bay, somewhere in a distant future...

     

    Also, there is the "detail" of the more bulged weels and respective, lightly different nacelles, of the R , but I suppose that the nacelles and the undercarriage will be exactly the same in all releases...

     

    Greetings

    Diego

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    1/48 - Ilyushin Il-28T "Beagle" by Bobcat Hobby Model Kits - released - new Eduard detailing sets

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    Posted · Edited by Diego

    Looks simply amazing :)

    Dzieki wielkie / Many thanks for sharing !!!

     

    It seems, that, from the box, you will be able to build the Il-28T with external torpedoes, as there is nothing to equip the bomb bay.  Strange, as the Ts had their armament installed internally in their bomb bay...

    On the other side, as the Ts had a longer bomb bay needed to accommodate the torpedoes, it would be necessary for Bobcat to make a different fuselage. With a closed bomb bay, nobody will notice this small difference.

    On the same sprue, you get the tip tanks used on the R/RTR recce variants too, that will be surely missing in a "bomber" boxing.

    You also get two underbelly radomes, one standard and one, bigger, for the maritime version. This will allow you  to build a "vanillia" IL-28 bomber or an Il-28 R/RTR recce variant from this box too.

    Unfortunately, as mentioned above, there are no bombs or recce equipment for the bomb bay. But I suppose that an additional sprue with the bomb load would be added in a future boxing...

     

    greetings

    Diego

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    1/48 - Ilyushin Il-28T "Beagle" by Bobcat Hobby Model Kits - released - new Eduard detailing sets

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    Posted · Edited by Diego

    57 minutes ago, Jon Bryon said:

     

    I hope so too...but I'm holding off from buying this version in the hope they will release the regular bomber.

     

    Jon

    I guess you will have most the parts to do the regular bomber already in this box ( there is simply no other alternative, as the torpedoes are add-ons. OK - maybe the bomb load could be added later, if any) - and you also will get the tip tanks used on the recce variants (R/RTR) too...that will not be included in the bomber boxing :)

     

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    1/48 - Ilyushin Il-28T "Beagle" by Bobcat Hobby Model Kits - released - new Eduard detailing sets

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    Posted · Edited by Diego

    14 hours ago, Antti_K said:

    One Finnish example carried for a while name "ILMAVOIMIEN CADILLAC" (Air Force Cadillac) on the nose. It would be lovely to see this available on aftermarket decals.

    Hi Antti,

     

    Great to know these very interesting details concerning the Finnish Beagles :worthy:

    Unfortunately, we hadn't any pics of the "Ilmavoimien Cadillac" markings, what is a pity.

    We have done markings for the Il-28 "Nikita-Hruschew-One", as indeed, the Rs have not only tip tanks but also slightly different nacelles, as you wisely commented. 

    I am pretty sure that the Bobcat kit is in reality the "vanilla" Beagle bomber, even if described as Il-28T Torpedo carrier.

    The "T" - had longer bomb bays to accommodate the torpedoes and rocket-torpedoes, and tip tanks.

    The kit has a standard bomb bay, but this will not be a problem unless you will want to display it with open doors.

    The closed doors option will need some simple regraving on the underfuselage to have a correct result.

    By adding the included tip tanks, you will also be able to make an "R" from the kit, but, unfortunately, with standard nacelles...and a standard bomb bay. 

    Personally, I will be very surprised if the target towing equipment would be included on the kit, but now there will surely be room for aftermarket companies to do it as resin add-on (anyway, we have included some scale drawings on the instruction sheet of HD48035) 

    Now, let's hope the new Il-28 kit - the very first injected Beagle in this scale -  will prove very popular, as his price is more than acceptable for a model of this size :)   

     

    Greetings

    Diego

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    1/48 - Ilyushin Il-28T "Beagle" by Bobcat Hobby Model Kits - released - new Eduard detailing sets

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    Posted · Edited by Diego

    On 5/2/2019 at 3:45 AM, Biggles81 said:

    Now crying out for some AURI or ALRI decal options. Seems to be one of the few export operators not covered by the kit or Hi Decal.

     

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    Sure, we plan more sheets for the Beagle, the AURI/ALRI being one of our priorities, but we would be very grateful for details about the correct markings applied to the navy's Il-28s. Albanian, Afghan, Algerian, Iraqi and Yemeni Beagles could be also included on this sheet. 

     

    Greetings

    Diego

    1/48 - Ilyushin Il-28T "Beagle" by Bobcat Hobby Model Kits - released - new Eduard detailing sets

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    Posted · Edited by Diego

    On 5/2/2019 at 12:00 AM, Harold55 said:

    These look to be excellent sheets of some great schemes. Question is that I don't think parts for the IL-28U version was included in this first boxing from Bobcat or am I wrong on that.  If not then do they know about plans to release a 2nd version?

    If you look at a. o. the different tail turret pieces - some of them without tail gun slots :

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    as well as at the separate part for the underbelly radar (not installed in most Us),  there is a possibility that a Mascot would be released later ....and, anyway, the kit opens many possibilities for the aftermarket conversions...

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    Algeria Air Force MiG-21F

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    11 minutes ago, YK GOH said:

    Thanks Diego, and would you be able to advice whether the roundels have their white segments faced outboard on both wings?

    Normally, the white segment of the roundel applied on the left wing is facing outboard, and I can confirm that, on the Su-7 and MiG-21 MF wearing the Nile Valley camo scheme, the roundel applied on the right wing had the white segment facing outboard... :)

     

    Algeria Air Force MiG-21F

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    14 hours ago, YK GOH said:

    Hi Diego,

    Thank you for your insights.

    Do you mean Option B in your 3rd para?...as there are profiles drawn on Su-7s in several publications showing roundels on both wings.

    Regards,

    YK

    Sorry - of course, it should be "B" - I just have corrected the post :) 

    Algeria Air Force MiG-21F

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    Posted · Edited by Diego

    Well,

    - at the beginning Algerian MiG-21F-13 had no markings on the wings (option A), 

    - later, roundels were applied on the left upper wing and on the under the right wing (option D)

    - Option B was an exception from the a.m. rule and appeared on aircraft (Su-7, MiG-21MF) deployed to Egypt during the October 1973 war against Israel that got  the"Nile Valley" camo patterns and Egyptian markings. Later, as these aircraft returned to Algeria, EAF markings were overpainted with Algerian roundels on 4 wing positions. 

    - Option C is the one currently used - since the adoption of the current alphanumeric "XX-00" code system.

     

    HTH

    Greetings

    Diego

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    1/48 - Ilyushin Il-28T "Beagle" by Bobcat Hobby Model Kits - released - new Eduard detailing sets

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    Posted · Edited by Diego

    .... however, after checking several references on the Beagle I discovered a sad fact that, as 45-36 MAN and RAT-52 weapons installed on external pylons drastically reduced the aircraft speed and maneuverability, making flying tricky, only a single test Il-28T flew with these external racks installed. The operational Il-28Ts had their torpedo-warload installed internally in their (longer) bomb bay. This explains why Soviet and Indonesian IL-28Ts  were not seen with external weapon racks installed...

     

    Anyway, this doesn't change the fact, that this kit will finally enable us to build an IL-28  "vanilla" bomber or an Il-28R recce variant with wingtip tanks, or an Il-28RT ELINT bird with two identical belly radomes...and of course a Il-28T with "internal" armament. You will only need to engrave a longer bomb bay  in case you choose to represent it with closed doors - in case of an open bomb/torpedo bay, however, a bit more work would be of course required to represent the longer bay... 

    There are also some intriguing (faired over) parts for the tail gunner position... perhaps the civil "Aeroflot" IL-20 variant used to transport "Pravda" newspaper matrices between Moscow and Vladivostok (before the times of digital data transmission) ? Maybe an Il-28U Mascot trainer could also be in the works?

     

    Greetings

    Diego

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    1/48 - Ilyushin Il-28T "Beagle" by Bobcat Hobby Model Kits - released - new Eduard detailing sets

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    Posted · Edited by Diego

    On 3/4/2019 at 11:25 AM, Homebee said:

    Il-28T box art updated with the torpedoes.

    Source: https://twitter.com/bobcat_model/status/1101623015534551040

    V.P.

    Wonderful artwork! The red stars without white outline are also spot on for Soviet 1960s era Beagles:wub:

    There is only a small "logical" critique point, as the "45-36 MAN" torpedoes could be launched only few meters above the water surface (just like on earlier torpedo carrying aircraft) and not from above the clouds like on the drawing - however,  this problem was solved with the "RAT-52" rocket propelled torpedoes, which enabled a launch from much higher altitudes...

     

     

    Greetings

    Diego

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