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On 8/22/2019 at 10:17 AM, Nearlymen said:
Thanks for the extra info, very illuminating ! Still confusing though, but I guess its the old adage 'If theres no photo, then it didn't happen' ! LOL ! If any more info turns up then please post as I'm sure others are curious as well.
Hi Clive,
Well, "it happened", but in a slightly different configuration:
Chinese produced H-5 with "Tu-16 turret", without wing tip tanks, but with 2 Yu-2s (RAT-52) under the wings, in NMF (but overall anti-corrosion white could be also possible).
Here we have something highly interesting, a PLA Navy HD-5 83001 with pylons, exposed in Qindao, with all the a.m. features...
...and, by pure coincidence
, Bobcat even included decals for several of her sister ships (83002, 83006, 82015, 80106) so you can use the decals from the kit...now, you only need to have the Tu-16 turret.
https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/6/83848_1546391969.jpg
Of course, you can equip this H-5 with two Yu-2, the Chinese, modernized version of the RAT-52:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Yu-2_Torpedo.jpg
...that was operational between the early 1970s and the mid 1980s.
Bobcat Il-28 model is generally very exact, so I am pretty sure that the designers have done their homework correctly, even if they have mixed up various Il-28T prototypes. For "blue 22", the only one with external torpedo racks, you will need a new nose, as seen on the pics above - but the other proposed operational Soviet versions could be build "from the box"... of course without externally mounted weapons or tip tanks.
As all Il-28 kits (Airfix, Tamiya, Bilek, Italeri, Trumpeter) included the tip tanks, I suppose that most people were convinced that these were simply "interchangeable", like on the Northrop F-5A or Lockheed F-104 for example (fuel tanks or Sidewinders) ...but, as you said it, the kit instructions got it (nearly) right. No tanks on Chinese birds (...only a new tail turret).
I think that, later, the decals designers wanted to make things even simpler: As the kit is labelled as "Il-28T", their task was to include as many as possible Soviet and Chinese "torpedo carriers" on the sheet - therefore someone created a color profile drawing of the perfect Il-28T by putting all features of the different versions together on one airframe...et voilà!
BTW: 1/72nd scale modeller can now build an accurate HD-5, as Trumpeter released the H-5 (with the "Tu-16" turret), and nice Yu-2 (RAT-52s) are enclosed in Trumpeter's new Q-5 Fantan boxings.
Greetings
Diego
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Hi Antti,
...this is simply gorgeous - a fantastic work. Would it be possible for you to start an "in progress" tread for your Il-28R, as I am 100% sure that many will follow the building process with open mouths ( like myself
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Greetings
Diego
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Hello Antti,
Indeed, the camouflaged turret is a standard one - this is just that makes the photo interesting
Photos of (early) operational Il-28s in Chinese service (and especially the camouflaged ones) are very rare indeed...
Your confirmation of the wing placement is a very welcome information as it confirms that the kit dimensions are very good, if you want to make a standard serial bomber/torpedo/elint/nuclear aircraft.
To make a correct recce bird, you will unfortunately need new nacelles, and the conversion work you are just doing is simply fabulous!
More news: Eduard is preparing a mask set as well as two etched metal sets for the Beagle....and there is a chance that a producer of high quality resin conversions present on this forum could also be interested in making the target towing equipment for Finnish Beagles
Greetings
Diego
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On 8/20/2019 at 8:04 AM, Nearlymen said:
Hi AaCee
Yep I've got that book, and frustratingly there are no pics, but it does say some early IL28T were supplied to the chinese before they stated to build them as the H5 and the wings were plumbed for tanks I believe. Alas though the lack of pics is a downer, but hey ho its a challenge ! I think I'll build it with the wing mounted torpedoes and wing tip tanks.....that way a photo is bound to turn up showing they never had them LOL !!
Cheerio
Clive
Indeed, Soviet build "standard" Il-28 hadn't the wings plumbed for the wingtip tanks, as these were used only in the recce Il-28Rs ( and these had the bigger wheels with wider engine nacelles...
Serial Soviet Il-28 weren't equipped with the wingtip tanks (only some of the different T prototypes over the years) .There were 4-5 test Il-28T configurations, but at the end only the one looking like the standard bomber saw service ( without tip tanks, standard underbelly radome and smaller RAT rocket propelled torpedoes installed only in the standard sized bomb bay).
China may of course build some local developments, but, unfortunately till now there aren't any photos available.
Sadly, I was only able to find references for few of the Chinese serials provided - and I am really not happy with the results:
83002 is definitively a STANDARD bomber H-5 with the Tu-16 style turret ( so it could be assumed that 82015, 83006 and 80106 will be similar)...then we have the green/blue camouflaged "white 1615" - this is indeed a STANDARD bomber Il-28...not a maritime bird with tip tanks and torpedoes. 1615 has been illustrated many years ago as profile in a Taiwanese publication "Aircraft of the Chinese civil War", and there is also an identical sister-ship 1618 that was also represented many times by different artists as profile in different publications, and also by Trumpeter in 1/72 scale ....always as STANDARD bomber. Now, for the first time, this same bird is represented as torpedo launch platform with tip tanks and external armament ...belonging to a reconnaissance regiment (?)...oh wonder!
There is a "simple" logic:
- We know that China obtained "standard" bombers from the USSR.
- We don't know, if there were (any) Soviet made serial Il-28Ts delivered to China but, if yes, they didn't had wingtip tanks nor external weapons ( exactly like the Indonesian ones).
- We know that there were recce Il-28Rs delivered to China (with bigger nacelles and wingtip tanks) but would it make any sense to convert these aircraft into torpedo bombers? Maybe by adding underwing pylons like depicted in the kit? It would be really groundbreaking to get a single picture of such a modification, if such was ever made, of course...
- If China later developed a special, own torpedo variant, then -logically- the locally build, new H-5s (the ones with the Tu-16 turret) would be used as base.
We know for example that some Chinese (recce) HZ-5s had underwing fuel tanks instead of wingtip tanks. Anyway, the Chinese H-5s were slightly faster and had a longer range than their Soviet ancestors, due to different production solutions developed in the Harbin factory..
IMHO, in case of the Chinese birds some artistic licence has been taken
Many museum birds in China were repainted in fantasy camouflages for display and maybe also reserialled - but here we have at least a H-5 with an underwing pylon (!!!) - the question is: is this a H-5 torpedo bomber or simply a HZ-5 reconnaissance variant ?
Here is a genuine Chinese Il-28, yellow 0195, in green/blue camo, again a standard bomber, seen in Taiwan after a successful defection - note the damage under the nose (a landing accident?- collapsed nosewheel? ) ...I am pretty sure that this photo was used as basis for all the Beagle profiles with "pointy" nose that appeared during decades in many publications:
http://www.easternorbat.com/assets/images/PLAAF_IL-28_defection_01.png
http://taiwanairpower.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/il28b.jpg
In Quingdao Museum, there is a genuine Navy Il-28 in aluminium finish coded 80602 and another bird with wing-tip tanks, unfortunately without visible serial - and this is a standard recce bird, not a torpedo aircraft.
However, here are some interesting shots of operational camouflaged BOMBER PLAAF Il-28s:
(look also at the close-up of the Il-28 turret on the third photo - the H-5 had a different turret, borrowed from the Tu-16)
In case of the Soviet birds the codes proposed in the box represent some of the prototypes, and some "serial" Ts, but ,in this case, these should be build without the external "add-ons"
Here, "red 4" the first Il-28T prototype with wingtip tanks and longer bomb bay:
...then "blue 22" (one of the kits options), the second prototype with new nose glazing (note the round panel on the nose !!!!!) and without tip tanks. This was the test-bed for external racks for conventional torpedoes and RAT-52s.
The test results were unfortunately disappointing, the aircraft being slow, unstable and difficult to fly:
...finally, a production standard, operational Il-28T "red 16" (one of the kit options) , with RAT-52 carried internally only:
Greetings
Diego
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On 8/7/2019 at 8:09 PM, Uncle Uncool said:
Any chance for a Chilean Air Force T.72 in three-tone green/ghost grey camo?
Cheers,
Unc2
...already working on a solution
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Around March, to coincide with the 1/48 F.4 release by Airfix...
- I guess that the Airfix FGA.9 might appear around November 2020.
- Resin FR.10 recce noses are already available (but Airfix could also release a FR.10 in the future)
- and two-seater conversions should appear shortly from several sources.
In 1/72, we still have the beautiful Revell FGA.9 and F.6 boxings. Looking at the parts you can assume a F.4 was (is still ? ) planned.
- a resin FR.10 nose is also available,
and we also have the very nice two seat Hunter from Xtrakit ( XK72013)
Greetings
Diego
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The upcoming Hi-Decal Hunter sheets have been adapted to the planned F.4 release and will look like this:
HD48029 & HD72059 Hawker Hunter F.4 / FGA.9 / FR.10 / T.66
E-411 - F.51 (F.4) Royal Danish AF 1963, standard (green/grey over silver) camouflage with colorful unit insignia,
E-410 - F.51 (F.4) Royal Danish AF 1974 , in overall olive green scheme,
140 - F.52 (F.4) Peruvian AF 1962, standard (green/grey over silver) camouflage with colorful unit insignia,
J-702 - FGA.71 (FGA.9) Chilean AF 1978, in desert (brown/sand over light blue) camouflage,
J-709 - FGA.71 converted to FR.10 Chilean AF 1975, in ghost grey/dark ghost grey camouflage,
J-718 - T.72 (T.66) former G-APUX - Chilean AF 1982, in tree tone desert (green/brown/sand over light blue) camouflage,
828 - FGA.73A (FGA.9) Omani AF 1979, with experimental (dark grey/extra dark grey) disruptive camouflage,
825 - FR.10 Omani AF 1989, with dark grey/ extra dark grey camouflage and combat mission markings,
CC-707 - FGA.76 (FGA.9) Somali AF 1983, in desert (brown/sand over light blue) scheme and Soviet K-13 (AA-2 Atoll) AAMs.
Greetings
Diego
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5 hours ago, Harry Callahan said:
Does anyone know what exactly colours the F-86 of philippine air force have? I mean the jungle camo.
Thank you
Dark Green approx. FS 34079 (Humbrol 116 / ModelMaster 1710)
Grass Green approx. FS 34151 (Humbrol 151 / ModelMaster 1715)
Light Tan approx. FS 33613 ( Humbrol 148 / ModelMaster 1709)
Light Grey approx. FS 36622 (Humbrol 28 / ModelMaster1733)
This was a locally designed camouflage, applied, as it seems, without primer - it deteriorated quickly and heavy chipping appeared, giving these Sabres a look similar to Japanese aircraft seen during WWII - a weathering paradise
Greetings
Diego
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On 7/29/2019 at 7:22 AM, Wm Blecky said:
What would the difference be, externally - extended wing tips (right?) and ??? I mistakenly picked up a Fujimi 1/72 F-86F-40 and have no real interest in doing a Japanese Sabre, so I am looking for something of more interest. The QF-86F drone you mention piqued my interest...
F-86F-25 & F-30 with F-40 wings and bigger fuel tanks:
Iran and Ethiopia...in Asia Minor scheme,
Philippines...in Jungle camo:
Greetings
Diego
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15 hours ago, Antti_K said:
Hello Diego and Co.,
I just ordered the kit from Hannants. As I'm sitting and waiting I dug all the course material from the attic and started to read from page 1. An original manual states that the wing of Il-28T was moved 100 mm (ca. 2 mm in 1/48 scale) backwards (when compared to Il-28 or Il-28R). The manual also gives "weird" measurements for the bomb bay. Some more researching will take place when the kit arrives. I guess I won't be moving the wing as the wing glove looks very nice in the photos. I'll keep you posted.
Cheers,
Antti
Hello Antti,
The Il-28T story is a rather complicated one, as there were at least 5 versions on the "T", four different prototypes, a.o. with a different nose glazing and other modifications ( moved wing, longer bomb bay and other equipment like tip tanks) and finally, a serial T with practically no external differences when compared with the bomber variant (even the underbelly radome was standard), capable of launching the shorter RAT-52 torpedoes from the bomb bay...
Anyway, please keep us informed
Greetings
Diego
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An interesting fact is that the serial Il-28Ts, as used by the Soviet Navy and then the Indonesian Air Force and Navy , didn't use the tip tanks and had a standard, small radar dome under their bellies ( they also had a "standard" bomb bay used to accommodate the smaller RAT-52 rocket-propelled torpedo - the new kit being correct if build without the external fuselage racks ).
However, it seems that a more secretive variant, the Il-28A (N) nuclear attack bomber, was equipped with a bigger underbelly radar dome, similar to the one supplied with the Bobcat kit.
Six Il-28As, 33 Il-28Ts and 3 Il-28Us were send to Cuba during 1962, leading a.o. to the infamous Cuban Missile Crisis, but were shipped back to the USSR after the Kennedy-Khrushchev agreement.
Il-28 (A?, T?) in Cuba:
Il-28(U?) landing mishap in Cuba - note what seems to be a faired over rear gun turret, the absence of a belly radome and no markings at all.
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On 6/27/2019 at 12:25 PM, SleeperService said:
Hi Phreaks
As my current build is going well I'll be a late entry. I'd like to do option 4 from the soon to be re-released Hi Decal sheet Option 4
What would get me this in 1/48th please? My local shop has the Italeri kit in stock just like THIS ONE is it a decent starting point?
Hello,
IMHO the best option to make this RF-4ETM in 1/48th scale would be the Hasegawa and Italeri offerings, as they include the rounded camera fairing under the nose. You will also need slatted wings from an F-4E kit, as this bird was one of 12 last manufactured RF-4Es ( 6 for Turkey and 6 for Greece) equipped with this feature. therefore, you will need to swap the external wing parts with a F-4E. You can do this easily with Hasegawa, and ESCI / Italeri Phantoms ( in this last case simply swap the entire wings with the recently released Italeri F-4E ).
These RF-4ETM were also equipped with AIM-9 missiles for self defence.
Greetings
Diego
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HD48033 & HD72063 - F-4E Phantom II "Pharaoh's ghosts" will be the next new sheet to be released.
It contains markings for following Egyptian Air Force birds:
- "7813" in disruptive "Compass Ghost Grey" camouflage, 1980,
- "7827" in "Modified South East Asia" camouflage, with orange & black quick ID panels, 1983,
- "7806" in "Egypt One" scheme, with orange & black quick ID panels, 1985.More soon
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HD48028 F-4E/ETM/ RF-4ETM Phantom II will be reprinted and available again during the next month:
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The new Hi-Decal HD48032 decal sheets designed for the GWH kit are now available:
- T-33A "2-161", IIAF - international orange upper surfaces with NMF underside;
- T-33A "2-8002", IRIAF - very pale grey upper surfaces with light grey underside;
- T-33A "2-8005", IRIAF - light blue and dark blue upper surfaces with light grey underside;
- T-33A "UB-531",UBAF - NMF , nose and entire rear fuselage & tail in day-glo orange, red wingtip tanks;
- T-33A "703", FAR - dark green and grass green camouflage with pale blue underside.
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On 6/23/2019 at 2:01 AM, Aardvark said:
(...the completely black IL-28 portraying Canberra in the Soviet spy movie!
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on the IL-28 at that time!
Sorry, but I will not indicate on which specific page of the topic these links are located, for the second time I am afraid I will not be able to read this topic!
B.R.
Serge
You will find the "black Il-28 Canberra" on page 18 of the mentionned topic.
But, as it seems, there were some black "operational" Il-28s:
Il-28 Pakistan Air Force - later exchanged against B-57 Canberras
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14 hours ago, Jordi said:
Hi Diego
Actually if you look at good close up photos, the bulge actually continues forward almost to the position of the landing light on the forward part of the cowling. So to do the R absolutely right, you would need 8 new nacelle pieces and 4 new main gear doors.
Hi Jordi,
In this case, we need to bother Bobcat Models, asking for a new, correct R release - I guess, there could be chances that this happens
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2 hours ago, zebra said:
Fundekals/Liveries Unlimited is doing them. I wasn't particularly interested in this kit before, I am now!
Great to hear this
Greetings
Diego
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On 6/4/2019 at 5:05 AM, Jordi said:
Some sad news... I have a friend who knows Dmitri Malkov of D-Mold in Russia. My friend floated the idea to Dmitri of doing Il-28R nacelle parts and possibly the target tow gear. But sadly, Dmitri said he has no interest in it, and doesn’t think such a conversion set would sell (I disagree!).
Can anyone think of anyone else who might be interested in producing such a resin set?
Best regards to all
Jordi
Maybe one of the Czech resin specialists, like AIRES, would like to come to the rescue?
The target tow gear could be easily included in one of their resin accessories series, for example...and Finnish stuff is popular.
The nacelles are of course bigger, but, looking at the kit parts, you would only need the 4 bulged "side" parts, as the big intakes are separate elements, so I suppose, they wouldn't be extremely expensive...
Greetings
Diego
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9 hours ago, AmaruTG said:
Question: Can I build the Egyptian Beagle from the Bobcat current release?
TIA
Amaru in Lima
Of course. Just use the standard underbelly radome (from the fuselage sprue) and leave out the torpedo carrier racks.
Un saludo
Diego
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...and here new T-33A sheet and profiles:
The colors are:
- T-33A "2-161", IIAF - international orange upper surfaces with NMF underside;
- T-33A "2-8002", IRIAF - very pale grey upper surfaces with light grey underside;
- T-33A "2-8005", IRIAF - light blue and dark blue upper surfaces with light grey underside;
- T-33A "UB-531",UBAF - NMF , nose and entire rear fuselage & tail in day-glo orange, red wingtip tanks;
- T-33A "703", FAR - dark green and grass green camouflage with pale blue underside.
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Aztec Warrior...1/48 Douglas A-24 Banshee, Fuerza Aerea Mexicana
in Ready for Inspection - Aircraft
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Simply fabulous
