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I really enjoyed building this kit with one exception, the decals! They are very good at shattering and that's about all they are good for.
Craig.Hi Craig,
Wonderful work you have done on this Tiger! Congratulations !
Re shattering decals - do you mean the AFV ones or the aftermarket set ?
I hope the TFB markings I sent you worked OK.
Greetings
Diego
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Thanks Rich,
Yes I was considering masking and painting the lines but in a moment of pure laziness I was drawn to the "no lines at all" option. I will give it some more thought, probably won't get much done this week due to my shift pattern + overtime, until Friday as I finish on Thursday night until January 4th
. Hello Craig,
the "no lines at all" should not be considered as laziness, as the black walkways are indeed not there

( please note that the F-5F below is the only one with yellow "no step" bands applied on the wing, 3-7155 doesn't have walkways on the wings)


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On the subject of your Ogaden War book (and many of your others) have you ever had decal manufacturers contact you about the possibility of them producing sheets covering the aircraft in the books?
Hi Craig,
Re "Ogaden War" book: A "history" sheet covering Iranian F-5A&RF-5A as well as ex IIAF F-5A serving in Ethiopia, Morocco, Jordan, Greece, South Vietnam and Vietnam (still wearing the Asia Minor camo) is scheduled for release during the next year.
Also - even if not used during the Ogaden War - but covered in Tom's book, markings for Ethiopian (and Iranian) F-86F Sabres in Asia Minor camo are already available http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/HD48034( HD 48034 & HD 72064) and of course eligible as prizes in this GB.
Another sheet, covering a.o. Ethiopian F-5Es is also in preparation.
Greetings
Diego / HDL
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Are the raised panel lines italeri and the unbuildabe Airfix the only options for a normal f5 in 1/72?
The best option to build an F-5A (or
in 1/72nd scale is the ESCI/Italeri/ Wolfpack offering. The kit has engraved panel lines and is very good despite his age. The other alternatives are the really old Airfix and even older Hasegawa (Frog).As far as the F-5E is concerned, the HB is the best available option, the Italeri/Testors/Revell kit being similar but with raised panel lines.
Unfortunately, the Italeri F-5F is a collector item, showing sporadically on e-bay at rather high prices...
Greetings
Diego
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Also Hi Decal 72 064.

...available a.o. at Hannants.co.uk -
Hi Dave,
The color is "Brown Special FS 30140" - Tamiya's Red brown could be, indeed, a good match:-)
Re TISEO pod - I always tought that the parts were included as "standard" in the kit - but if not, they can be easily scratched from a piece of transparent sprue...
...or maybe one of the GB participants could help you with these two small parts:
http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/has/images/has_09805_parts2.jpg
that can be seen on the left side of the sprue
Greetings
Diego
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Looking very sharp, Dave!!!
Just one question - shouldn't the brown color be a bit more darker? Or it's the light on the photos, as it looks like the "tan" used on the S.E.A.(Vietnam) scheme...
Greetings
Diego
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The black bellied IRIAF Phantom II had a squared camera nose.
Here you will find all you need:
http://www.hyperscale.com/2007/reviews/decals/hidecal48023reviewdm_1.htm
Greetings
Diego
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Good choice indeed - the IRIAF Phantoms had a long combat career all over the years.
IMHO, a sharkmouthed Iranian F-4E would be even more spectacular...
Greetings
Diego
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Hi folks,
I think, a list of operators and versions will be useful to see what can be done:
The mighty Phantom was operated by no less than 12 countries:
America:
- USA (USAF; ANG; USN; USMC)Europe:
- UK (RAF; RN)
- Germany - F-4F; RF-4E
- Spain - F-4C; RF-4C
- Greece - F-4E; RF-4E
- Turkey - F-4E; RF-4E
Middle East:
- Egypt - F-4E
- Israel - F-4E; F-4E(S); RF-4E
- Iran - F-4D; F-4E; RF-4E
Far East:
- Japan - F-4EJ; RF-4EJ
- South Korea - F-4D; F-4E; RF-4C
- Australia - F-4E
Greece, Turkey, Egypt, Iran, South Korea and Japan are still using the legendary fighter bomber today.
There are also many interesting schemes for which new decal sheets have been released in recent times.
It would be really cool to see in this GB an F-4 from each country operating the Phantom II

GreetingsDiego
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Hi Mick,
Great to see the RF-84G progressing so well. Your Thunderjet is a real beauty

Greetings
Diego
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i Don't know !!! i'm also looking for stencils .......
You have also these two sheets, HD 48011 including stencilling:
Greetings
Diego
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You have also this sheet from HI-DECAL, with 3 options for A-6E TRAM (Desert Storm, Yugoslavia and last USMC Intruder):
https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/HD48008
Greetings
Diego
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I quite fancy converting a recently purchased Tamiya F-4E to an RF-4E of the Turkish Air Force and painting it in the new
scheme recently applied, does anyone know if the white signature seen on many Turkish jets is available in decal form ??

1/32nd scale decals covering the new RF-4ETM scheme, as well as other nice Turkish AF F-4E/ETMs - including full turkish stencilling for 2 jets, have just been released by TECHMOD and are now available at Hannants: https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/TM32050
They are also already available in 1/48th and 1/72nd scales from HI-DECAL: http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php?product_category_id=&product_division_id=&manufacturer_id=8045&code=&product_type_id=&scale_id=&keyword_search=F-4ETM&setPerPage=25¤cy_id=
- with identical contents

Greetings
Diego
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Wyvern. You are there so it would be great if you could obtain some pictures of an up to date colour scheme if it has changed. I was looking for additional references on the net and came across this picture: http://www.offiziere.ch/wp-content/uploads/18446_11.jpg According to the website it was taken on Independence Day 2012 (just over 2 years ago). From a distance the photo would suggest an overall grey scheme, but when you zoom in you can see the grey and green camouflage; just poor photography. There is a possibility that the second 'buy' of F-5s (ex RJAF?) were delivered in a grey scheme but there is no evidence of this on the 'Net, so piccies please.
Well, as far I know, all Kenyan F-5E/F wear the grey & green "jungle" camo scheme, developped by Northrop for Kenyan Tigers and applied at the factory. Also the former RJAF Tigers got this standard scheme. The "ghost grey scheme" was only a Northrop proposal and a shot showing a ghost grey F-5E with roughly applied Kenyan roundels has been diffused to illustrate the deal:
http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=102434&d=1130940808
A profile of this a/c was drawn by Gérard Paloque for the recently published book about F-5s ("Planes and pilots" series).
Greetings
Diego
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Welcome along guys.

It'll be good to see all these different markings that the Phantom has worn.
Sean
Hi all,
Indeed, there are many possibilities, as the Phantom was operated by no less than 12 countries:
US (USAF, USN, USMC)
UK (RAF, RN)
Germany - F-4F; RF-4E
Spain - F-4C; RF-4C
Greece - F-4E; RF-4E
Turkey - F-4E; RF-4E
Egypt - F-4E
Israel - F-4E; F-4E(S); RF-4E
Iran - F-4D; F-4E; RF-4E
Japan - F-4EJ; RF-4EJ
South Korea - F-4D; F-4E; RF-4C
Australia - F-4E
Greece, Turkey, Egypt, Iran, South Korea and Japan still using the legendary fighter bomber today.
There are also many interesting schemes for which new decal sheets have been released in recent times.
Greetings
Diego
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Speaking about Iranian Tigers, here you will find some colorful options in 1/72 (HD 72052) and 1/48(HD 48016)scales:
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Rev4/3901-4000/rev3956-Hi-Decal-48016/00.shtm
greetings
Diego
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O-Tay! (I have no idea why I'm channeling Buckwheat tonight)
Here we go. The kit arrived tonight. And because I am sick in the head I ordered a second one ... but this one is the Harbin H-5 box. I honestly don't think there's any difference except no Soviet or Polish decals in the H-5 (and the H-5 was $8 while the Il-28 was $12!
). So this way I'll have extra parts just in case, or if everything goes fairly smoothly on the Il-28 then I'll bash together another one and paint it with different markings (probably Egyptian for the second one but I'm open to suggestions).Well, for the Beagle you also have two aftermarket sheets from Hi-Decal, covering a.o. several camouflaged options:
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/ISL/Hi-Decal_Line/1.72/72031-72040/72039/HD72039.htm
and
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/ISL/Hi-Decal_Line/1.72/72041-72050/72043_IL-28/HD72043.htm
Greetings
Diego
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Hi Dr. Evil (why am i reminded of Mike Myers?)! I saw this sheet on the big H too, but the print on the instruction sheet was tiny, couldn’t make out if the options were in SEA or indeed Euro 1.
Thanks for confirming!
Tipper
The Hi-Decal sheet HD 72055 ( HD 48025 in 1/48 ) has 2 options for F-4Ds in Europe 1 scheme:
- 111FIS Texas ANG ( MiG-killer )
- 127TFS Kansas ANG ( double MiG-killer, with special markings when flown by Gen Robin Olds )
and:
- 93TFS Florida AFRes in unique "Flipper" 3 tone grey scheme
- 704TFS Texas AFRes in "Cloud Grey" scheme
as well as:
- Iranian AF (MiG-Killer) in desert scheme
- South Korea AF in Cloud Grey camo
Here some more shots:
http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/FirstLook/Decals/HiDecal/HDL_48025_F-4Ds.html
Greetings
Diego
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I have read the claims that the IIAF loaned two RF-4Cs prior to their own deliveries, but I believe this story is mixed-up with the IAF/DF loan in 1970-71. The first time I saw pictures of one of these airframes (69-0369 and 69-0370) in desert camoflage the guy posting them claimed they had been used by the Iranians. He even claimed the crew looked/spoke/wrote middle-eastern (but not Israeli). The problem with the story was that the aircraft were clearly in the Israeli scheme, not in the Asia Minor scheme used by the IIAF/IRIAF.
There are lots of good stories about the IIAF/IRIAF - and as you write, Diego, the complete story of Iranian RF-4s is still waiting to be told. I do have my doubts about some of the stories as they seem to get better and better each time they are told. However, the unfinished RF-4Es being supplied to Iran is much more likely than supplying them with (registered) RF-4Cs. As for the spare parts, who knows where Iran have sourced those (some might be common between the RF versions).
Jens
PS. The story about the RF-4 being rammed is quite interesting. I believe the Russian pilot became a hero because of this.
Concerning unfinished airframes - please note that these were "genuine" RF-4Es ordered by the IIAF that remained unfinished after the revolution, Iran cancelling all orders placed by the Shah (a.o. for more F-14A, F-4G, E-3 AWACS and F-16A/B) but the "white tails" were supplied long before the revolution, as they have been used for recce flights into the Soviet Union...
It seems that there were 6 such "specialized" RF-4Es delivered to Iran in 1971, with no production numbers assigned, and were flown by mixed US-Iranian crews. These Phantoms were also A wired, just like some F-5As previously supplied to Iran - but in case of war these would be flown exclusively by US pilots, as Iranians never trained any "special weapons" delivery tactics.
On November 28th, 1973, such an IIAF RF-4E was performing a mission deep in Soviet airspace when it was intercepted by a MiG-21SM, bort "240", from the 982nd Ftr. Rgt, based at Viziani, Georgian SSR.
After firing two R-3S missiles that missed the intruder and experiencing a GSh-23 gun jam, the Soviet pilot, Capt. Gennadiy Nikolayevitch Yelisseyew, was ordered to ram the Phantom II, cutting off the RF-4 tail. During this maneuver, the MiG-21 lost his wing and crashed, killing the pilot.
The Phantom II crew, the American "instructor" Col. John Saunders and his Iranian "pupil" Maj. Shohounia, ejected from the crippled jet and were captured after landing. Both flyers were later exchanged against a cartridge from a Soviet reconnaissance satellite that has accidentally landed in Iran. The Iranian jet hit the ground flying at something like Mach 2 and was competely destroyed, so nothing coud disprove the cover story of a "navigational error"...
And, indeed, Yelisseyew became - posthumously - a "Hero of the Soviet Union".
Another IIAF RF-4 was lost to Soviet fighters over the USSR in 1976.
Greetings
Diego
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The claim that Iran operates RF-4Cs converted to RF-4Es is new to me. Can you please elaborate?
Jens
Of course, with pleasure:
The first "Iranian" recce Phantoms were 2 RF-4Cs taken directly from USAF stocks that operated in Iran before the ordered IIAF RF-4Es were built. It seems that these 2 airframes later retourned to the US as the first IIAF RF-4Es were delivered.
Something similar happened when 2 RF-4Cs, belonging to USAFE units stationned in UK and Germany were sent to Israel before the IDF/AF could get own RF-4Es, but in this case the RF-4Cs later retourned to Europe and were then photographed in USAF markings and Israeli desert camo.
As IIAF RF-4s were also used for secret recce missions deep into the USSR, flown by US "instructors", and at least 2 were lost (one of those birds was rammed by a MiG-21 during such a flight), the US delivered some "white tail" ( read "without Bu.No.") RF-4Cs, converted to "E" standard with new engines, etc. to fly these dangerous missions. It should be however noted that each of these birds had different, sofisticated electronic and recce equipment, so there were by no mean "standardised".
It seems that these birds got in Iran codes from existing "genuine" IIAF RF-4Es as well as from lost examples.
Also in recent years it has been noted that some still active IRIAF RF-4E have parts from 2 different airframes, some main parts belonging to RF-4Cs and -apparently- even to RF-4Bs ( spare parts from black market or from US deliveries done in the 1980s?)
Anyway, the complete story of iranian RF-4s is still waiting to be told.
Greetings
Diego
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Hi, Diego, and thanks, I was not aware of this (new?) web page.
Any possibility to order straight from there?
Hi Antoine,
Well, not "directly", but as always via e-mail :-)
Cheers
Diego
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Hi all. Until the recent news story I had forgotten that Iran still operates F-4s.
Deliberatley wide question (because I know next to nothing about the subject matter)- what would a modeller need to do to an 'off the shelf' kit of an F-4 to make an aircaft that accurately depicts a Iranian aircraft operating in 2014?
regards,
Will
Iran still operates F-4D ( mostly without chin radome, but also few with the RHWS radome update), the RF-4E ( some of them being RF-4Cs updated to RF-4E standard) as well as standard slatted F-4Es (The first F-4Es delivered to Iran were unslatted, but as they were were retrofitted with slats during the 1970s, an unslatted F-4E would by possible, but only with IIAF markings).
As it has been already said, you can use available kits of the F-4C/D, RF-4C/E, and F-4Es, but avoid the Japanese versions, as they have different wingtips, unslatted wings, etc.
Iranian Phantoms operate in the standard Asia Minor camo - several Es got a fierce looking sharkmouths during their overhaul 5 years ago.
Two RF-4Es have been also repainted in the "air superiority" grey and blue camo, similar to the IRIAF F-14 Tomcat fleet.
Markings for IIAF & IRIAF Phantoms are available from Hi-Decal ( www.hi-decal.eu) :
The 1/48 scale RF-4C/E sheet is currently sold out, but will be reprinted during 2015
Techmod has also released a 1/32 F-4D Phantom II sheet (under licence from Hi-Decal - contents being exaclty the same as HD 48-025 ): https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/TM32033
HTH
Greetings
Diego
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Yes, the Iranian Sabres had a standardized camouflage pattern. The IIAF F-86Fs had a roundel above the port wing as well as below the starboard wing, but the IEAF wing markings were applied on the 4 wing positions.
All these details as well as the complete patterns ( for Iranian, Ethiopian and Philippine camouflage schemes) will be of course shown on the Hi-Decal instruction sheet.



...available a.o. at Hannants.co.uk

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Indeed, Hasegawa's F-4E "30th Anniversary" boxing contains all the necessary items to build a slated Kurnass.
You will find 1/48th scale drawings showing the refuelling probe on the Hi-Decal instruction sheet.
Alternatively, you can ask on the forum for a refuelling probe from the recently released, updated Italeri RF-4E kit, containing this element.
Greetings
Diego