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  1. Please note, I am absolutely not being dismissive of the 806 Squadron book. I think I'm going to buy and read it thoroughly. As Grey Beema said, "history is dynamic and information is always being discovered and updated". In the book preview there are already a couple of Skua pictures I had never seen before, as well as details of the leaping panther badge on Fulmars, so I expect many interesting things are to be found in there. Any book provides references to primary sources together with interpretations by the author(s). I'm always inclined to compare the latter with my own understanding and sometimes I happen to disagree. That's just part of the fun...! Claudio
  2. An extract of 806 Naval Air Squadron. The FAA’s Top Scoring Squadron of WWII by Brian Cull & Fredrick Galea can be seen on Amazon and includes a number of photos, of which I reproduce the captions below with my own comments: Caption Comment CO’s Skua A (believed L2989) Serial L3011 can be read in the same photo as reproduced in FAA Camouflage & Markings Unusual shot of Skua landing Actually, it is taking off Z.501 – one of 806 Squadron’s frequent opponents The one shown is a Spanish Nationalist aircraft Z.501 following shoot-down Hard to tell, but it looks more like a Z.506? One of the ubiquitous Z.506Bs displaying its dazzling camouflage Diagonal red stripes over aluminium were a high visibility scheme. Dark blue-gey camouflage was introduced a few months into the war. Sea Gladiator (N5513) aboard Illustrious (...) Serial N5549 Serial can be read in the same photo as reproduced in FAA Camouflage & Markings Fulmar R (N1886) temporarily interned at Crete (…) Camouflage pattern, particularly the light (Sky Grey) rudder is consistent with a VERY early machine. With '6' as the only readable digit, I'd say N1866 Weather-beaten Fulmar K (N1931) resting at Dekheila Captioned as 808 Squadron, possibly at North Front, in FAA Camouflage & Markings. Code letter presentation suggests 808 Sqn. IMHO Lt MacDonald-Hall’s Fulmar Y (N1866) Identified as N1957 in the Osprey FAA Aces book. I believe N1866 was 'R', see above. Camouflage patterns can be useful to roughly identify the serial range of an early Fulmar, there were a few subtle but telling differences. Claudio
  3. Do you mean the device below the upper wing? IIRC, that should be the torpedo aiming sight.
  4. Could you please help me understand what was meant by 'census' vs 'delivery log'? In my understanding, a 1944 census would represent the situation as of 1944, whereas 'delivery logs' are individual and cover a wider time span. Just an idea of mine... The difference between the 1944 figure and the number you have obtained from delivery logs is quite close to the number of Mark IIs handed over to the Fleet Air Arm in September/October 1942. Maybe these would not figure in a 1944 RAF census? Indeed serials allocated to RAF orders were 1051. Often AP138 is missing when totals are computed. 40 aircraft – P5170-P5209 20 aircraft – T9519-T9538 100 aircraft – Z6983-Z7017 (35), Z7049-Z7093 (45), Z7143-Z7162 (20) 440 aircraft – AE958-AE977 (20), AF945-AF999, AG100-AG344 (300), AG665-AG684 (20), AM270-AM369 (100) 1 aircraft – AP138 200 aircraft – BW835-BW999, BX100-BX134 250 aircraft – JS219-JS468 and the Canadian order: 400 aircraft – 5376-5775 total: 1451 Claudio
  5. The difference is sixty-six (not sixty-five). It may account for both AM321 and AM322.
  6. Thank you Geoffrey, this is a comprehensive presentation of what we have learned thanks to your research, the invaluable help of Carl and Elizabeth Vincent and the interesting discussions in this thread. From what I understand, propellers must have been the hardest to get among the various items of embodiment loan equipment, to the point that the RCAF opted for a US-made Hamilton Standard propeller on its Mk. XIIs. It would be interesting to know whether the practice of randomly testing a few Hurricanes from the CCF production line continued with the Mk. IIs and which engine/propeller combination was used in this case. While it is known that a few Merlin Mk. IIIs together with de Havilland/Hamilton Standard propellers were made available to CCF (so-called 'slave' equipment) for this purpose, testing the Mk. IIs possibly required a Merlin XX (or 28) and a Rotol propeller. I have a feeling the practice was not carried through. I agree with you on the likeliness that only B wings were built by CCF (if C wings were available in Canada, perhaps the RCAF might have wished to experiment with them on the Mk. XII). Conversion from Mk. IIB to Mk. IIC in the UK is quite likely and seems to have been carried out at least on the machines handed over to the Fleet Air Arm for conversion to Sea Hurricane Mk. IICs.
  7. Same as you, thank you for remarking on this. I think these details were up to individual units, much like the style of code numbers/letters. Swordfish in the film are from the two Swordfish units aboard HMS Illustrious, Nos. 810 ('2x') and 829 ('3x') Squadrons but, as far as I could see, only 810 used to repeat the code on the wing fold. Question: which colour(s)? The stills you posted are very useful and suggest that '2A', '2F' and '2K'/'2M' have different colours, possibly flight colours? My guess at the moment is '2A' - white, '2F' - blue, '2K'/'2M' - red. Maybe the colour is the same as on the spinner cap. On the other hand, 829 Squadron machines all seem to have a six-pointed star on a darker background on the wheel disks. Which colours? Claudio
  8. Good find! The Fw 44 is a biplane, the Fw 56 is a parasol monoplane. For a towed glider experiment, I'd think the latter. So, maybe a Heinkel He 46 towing a propeller-less Focke-Wulf Fw 56? Tried this on Google, but no joy.
  9. I may have it, hidden somewhere... Didn't know it's still available. Curiously after Blue Rider, so many years ago, nobody else cared about the Fairey IIID, AFAIK. And Contrail's IIIF isn't that easy either.
  10. I'm with you on the Blackburn Blackburn, but I'd prefer 72nd. A Fairey IIID AND an Avro Bison would also be interesting subjetcs, not really a Dogfight Double subject, but... Beauty and the Beast? Perhaps, a Fairey IIIF might have some (very) remote chance of market sales?
  11. Codes (W3, N3) repeated on the upper wing of two planes in the first photo. Never seen this before!
  12. This was reported here on BM some time ago. Unfortunately I cannot trace the thread, anyway here's what the posted document says: 29th October, 1941 ... At present, two aircraft of No. 502 Squadron are operating with a camouflage that does not strictly conform to the new scheme, one being duck-egg blue and the other pink. I think the letter refers to EDSG/DSG/White as the 'new' scheme, whereas duck-egg blue seems to be used as an informal reference to Sky. Claudio
  13. Is that a Swordfish floatplane close to the house on the right?
  14. ...although the shade of grey of the 'LK' squadron code appears remarkably similar to that of the roundel centre. 'R' is definitely whiter. Also, 'R' is a bit oddly shaped, considering the position and slope of the lower diagonal segment. Maybe we should give a thought to Dull Red 'LK' and Sky Grey 'R' ? For the really adventurous... 'R' repainted and adapted from '?'. Well... going too far, I know.
  15. For uppersurface roundels Order A.F.O (I.) 69-76 on Camouflage and Markings, 4 April 1944 simply said: put a small white circle at the centre and make all the rest blue, keeping the original size. I do not know what was prescribed when the roundel centre colour was changed from white to light blue, but pictures seem to show that a smaller, correct proportioned roundel was applied and remains of the larger European theatre roundel were overpianted in camouflage colour. Somebody else here on BM may know better.
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