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  1. As I posted on the other thread, High Planes has recently re-located to Singapore to enable them to reach more parts of the world. A new tool Mirage IIIO is in preparation but I found it easy to source their Canberra B20 in the UK for a reasonable price especially as it includes resin ejector seats and decals. I think the responses to your original review have been reasonably objective especially when images were included to highlight the issue. But calling a Britmodeller a 'prime twonk' is definately out of order. I wish you luck with your smidge of filler - I was going to persevere with my Airfix/Heritage (some parts of the conversion ARE usable)/Aeroclub 'Frankenberra' but now think life's too short and will go down the High Planes route.
  2. To quote from the Archer book: '...Sea Gray contained a distinct blue tint. This was because (it) actually came from the British Extra Dark Sea Grey colour, whereas the AAF Neutral Gray was a mixture of black and white only, containing no blue at all.' And earlier: '...ANA Sea Gray (the replacement for the earlier ....Neutral Gray NO.43).
  3. Again from the Archer book, they quote that no FS 595 number produced the identical shade to ANA standards. They quote 36118 as the successor to ANA 603 Sea Gray and 34088 (FS 595B) for 613 Olive Drab. 610 Sky is quoted as 34424. 36440 is given for ANA 620 Light Gull Gray and 36231 for Dark Gull Gray But again these are not identical colours merely supercessions. The table in the book shades the colours that match from Bulletin 41 (1940) through ANA to FS and none of the FS colours are thus identified. The book is a great buy and on sale at Amazon.com for a mere $56 (£34)!! £59 on Amazon.uk however! Welcome to rip-off Britain!! Hope this helps
  4. Can't see why they would need to substitute ANA 602 Light Gray for Sky as Sky was an ANA colour (610). ANA 603 was called Sea Gray because it was British Extra Dark Sea Grey so wasn't a substitute as such (it replaced Neutral Gray). The ANA standards were meant to be common to aircraft built in America for RAF/FAA/USAAF/USN and the range was configured to satisfy all requirements - this is why it includes RAF colours such as Dark Earth (617) and Middle Stone (615). Although promulgated in 1943, the ANA colours didn't apparently appear until early 1944 by which time the USAAF had ceased to use camouflage. This is why some USAAF aircraft used RAF paints when camouflage was deemed necessary in the ETO. So the only necessary subsitute was Olive Drab (ANA 613) for Dark Slate Grey and Dark Green although it is possible that sufficient stocks of the original 'correct' colours existed to make its use unnecessary. For further info check out Robert and Victor Archer's book 'USAAF Aircraft Markings and Camouflage 1941 - 1947' which includes ANA and other paint charts (printed) and an explanation of their use and derivation.
  5. As described by another Britmodeller, the Tdi engines had a black cylinder block with the head and rocker cover in natural aluminium. Re-built engines as spares for the MoD were sprayed overall in a light blue colour which, from my days at Land Rover, I recall as Light Admiralty Grey. This probably explains why both are seen on vehicles.
  6. They are painted in BS381C 298 Olive Drab (confirmed with Benson). Xtracolor do it as X028. It's the same colour as SCC15 Olive Drab used on British armour which is carried by White Ensign as AR B 19. Mike Starmer has compiled a rather complex mix from Humbrol using 5 x 150, 5 x 159 and 2 x 33. Hope this helps
  7. Most sources quote Dark Admiralty Grey for the cockpit interiors of the Hawk and other modern British aircraft. Images of later aircraft however show a much lighter colour. The Revell mix for the Typhoon is almost spot on for Medium Sea Grey which looks right compared with photos of Canadian and Australian Hawks and the Typhoon.
  8. Sky is the same for both wartime and post war aircraft except that post war aircraft used gloss rather than matt. My best matches use Revell paints. For Sky use Revell 74 but add 20 drops of Revell 68 to bring out the green. For Extra Dark Sea Grey use Revell 74 but darken it with 20 drops of Revell 8 (Black). These colours are available in both the enamel and acrylic ranges. For the post war finish you will obviously need to apply a gloss varnish. Revell paints can be hard to track down but if you can find them, they are cheap and brush and spray well once they have been diluted as, out of the tin, they can be rather thick. The best thinner is their own brand. They seem to use brighter pigments than Humbrol and find their way into a lot of my mixes. Give them a try!! White Ensign Models appropriate shades are very close but I find their formulation very difficult to manage - brush painting being especially difficult (and they're more expensive). Hope this helps
  9. Plenty of fresh water in Singapore - coming from the sky. It rains almost every day!! The joke is that the weather forecast is always the same: '30 - 35 degrees, showers later'!
  10. A good point but wouldn't most of the other aircraft have arrived in Singapore already in Dark Earth/Dark Green/Night (or whatever)? The Vildebeests were already out there so had to be painted in theatre when orders came through to camouflage the previously silver aircraft. They would have used the correct scheme for the time/place i.e. the Tropical Land Scheme. And while fitted for torpedo attack, they were strictly land based - I believe Coastal Command used the DE/DG uppers scheme early in the war in the UK. Also, they would have flown over the jungle and along the coast to get to their targets. The sea along the coast of Malaya isn't always pretty blue either!! So, there may be some logic there after all!!
  11. In case you're interested, Simon, the Revell colours I mentioned are available in their acrylic range which is very good paint.
  12. I agree that the mix might need a little green added. Revell 79 although quoted as RAL 7031 is quite a lot darker and needs white adding even to match the RAL standard.
  13. If you're looking for something out of the tin, the White Ensign Models version of Ocean Grey (ACRN07) is pretty much spot on when compared with the chip in British Aircraft Colours of World War Two. Nick might want to check out RAL 7031 (Blaugrau) which looks a very clost match. This is replicated by Revell 79 but this is too dark. Mixing it 3:2 with white produces a very close match to Ocean Grey to my eye. While this requires mixing, it will be cheaper than the White Ensign paint and maybe easier to find. I'm also not a fan of the formulation of WEM's paints. Hope this helps.
  14. As Jennings says Light Aircraft Grey is similar but lighter than 36440. Perhaps Nick (Mr Colour) Millman could give chapter and verse!!
  15. I'm sticking to good ole Humbrol 78 as a fair match for Grey Green. On the images the camera has chosen to concentrate on the black so most of the green colour is over exposed anyway. That in the shadows looks like the normal colour to me. Anything else is pure speculation without any documented proof.
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