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  1. so cutting cutting to the actual kit of the P-8 .... has anyone started the kit yet? What do the the big bit look like inside? Pat Martin
  2. Shameless plug – but have you seen the recent AirDoc F-105 Thunderchief book?
  3. XV424 did not carry its serial on the forward facing nose gear door, XV486 did and while at CFB Goose Bay was zapped by Canadian Armed Forces personnel, receiving a small CAF roundel on the forward facing nose gear door in the lower loop of the number eight. Although later a photo of both aircraft together at one point, was taken without a serial on the nose gear door. Pat Martin
  4. I see off white not silver, in my slides. Pat Martin
  5. Just used - check if you are modelling the 'one ocean' or 'two ocean' wordmark first. Different sizes for different types.
  6. Climbing up the hill where everything slowed down making a great place to shoot in the afternoon!
  7. Just for the record - there are CF-104 and CF-104D - no such thing as a 'CF-104G' Common mistake carried on and on. Pat Martin
  8. Looking at the Lee/Grant painting in the 7 Division thread....  How about those that went to India?  I have a series of photos (father's photo album) of CDL Lee/Grant and Shermans with the 43rd RTR at all sorts of locations in India.  Any ideas on the overall colour?  I also see Stuart (no turret), ARV both Comet and Sherman.  But the one that really gets me is a Sherman DD, complete with skirt - no kidding in India!

    My field is aircraft so any comments would be welcome.


    I can send jpgs...

    Patrick Martin



    1. Kingsman


      Grant CDLs would most probably have been SCC15.  The few photos available seem to show a darker colour than SCC2.  If you have CDL photos it would be worth scanning and posting them.  Pictures of CDLs are rare and only a handful can be found online, covering only 3 identifiable vehicles.  I'd certainly like to see them.  Although my Takom Grant CDL kit has just gone on the disposal pile........



      Shermans everywhere were US Olive Drab No9 unless they were conversions like Fireflies that required repainting in SCC15.  Same for Lees and Stuarts, although some Stuarts were shipped across from N Africa and were repainted locally.  No-one seems to know what colour, other than a darkish green.  Almost certainly not one of the "official" colours.  Some Grants potentially went that way too.


      US-built M32 ARVs would have been OD.  UK Sherman ARV conversions were SCC15, but I would be surprised if any of those made it to the Far East.  There were no Comet ARVs but there were some on Cromwell hulls.  Those would be SCC15 but again I would be very surprised to see them in the Far East.  Cromwells were not deployed there.


      DDs? Yes there were some sent to the Far East.  25th Dragoons had them.  Never used operationally.  Most sources suggest Malaya rather than India but they would probably have ended up in India.

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      Patrick Martin

      Cromwell recovery vehicle - photo in India in the Album.  

  9. I like everything about this build. The metal work, the idea of the 'display', it is just right is so many ways - great work. PM
  10. I can show you all sorts of bare metal Herks where the metal panels (tail, fuselage, nose, etc.) over the years appear very different in colour. Pick your subject go from that. PM
  11. Its horrible - been working on mine on and off for years - and before you spend hours trying to figure out the colours - the green Argi paint is Fiat car paint!
  12. Just waiting for this topic to come up. This is where the Airfix was 'out'. I did offer my services at Telford. Special Hobby got it right in their 1/72 Vampire kit. There were at least two complete sets of bat noses over the years. The window/band was installed well before the bat nose came along. The window was added because the ADF loop was installed in the nose and just did not work well through the metal. It had been installed sometime (we think) in 1949 but they can be seen in photos of Operation Sweebriar during 1950. The real guy to talk to on all of this is Jerry Vernon (the one and only true RCAF historian) , who kept notes on two tours with 442/443.... his notes to me on the subject are as follows: " Remembering the history…..the first 4 Mustangs arrived at 442 in the late Fall of 1950 (I was there on my bicycle!!). More arrived in the early Spring of 1951. The Vampires were removed from 442 and used to form new RCAF pre-Sabre fighter squadrons and for Chatham OTU. They had unpainted noses when they first arrived in the Spring of 1948, but I don’t think for too long. See photo in 442 book, which I think you have. In the 1940s, the Vampires had hand-painted noses; and I don’t think any two were the same. The ears were all different sizes, eyes and noses were different, and maybe the teeth too. Many different colours were used. Coded “BU”: BU-V, BU-W, BU-X, BU-Y, BU-Z, had “City of Vancouver Squadron” on the booms. I have copies of several 1949 photos at an air show in Spokane showing nose closeups. There is a good article in an old Radom Thoughts (I have a copy), by Rick Johnson I think (Hangar Bookshelf squadron books guy), but I think it is mostly about scheme No. 1. When they returned in 1952, they were still coded “BU” with new-painted noses….not sure if any of them were the same 4 aircraft. Ended up with 8 aircraft. The new nose paint, I think, was still hand-painted but was a lot simpler and with a lot less colours. At one point, it may have been changed from BU+letters to BU+123(??). That’s when I was there as an AC1…and your dad was there too?? See his photos with the Globemaster in 1953. At some point the “SL” code came in and “Royal Canadian Air Force” on the booms. May have also been SL+123 for a while?? I have several photos from 1953 Summer Camp at Paine Field. Has “last 3” on the nose and small format ”SL” on the booms by then. Later new nose paint was much simpler, only 2 or 3 colours, probably identical images on aircraft and could be sprayed on with a template rather than hand-painted. But compare 012, 018 and 074 and you will see differences in ear centres, eyes and teeth. I’m damn sure there was no orange then, but there was orange, green, etc. on scheme No. 1. The paint job that was on the one at Langley was not right!! The guy claimed he worked there and had been involved in painting them, but it was a combination of schemes and looked more like Haida (local Indigenous Tribe/Band) art!! dates: 13 Jun 49: Letter refers to trial Radio Compass installation in 2 Vampires of 410 Squadron. Amend the trial to cover 4 aircraft. 15 Nov 49: Privy Council approves $ 99,250 for DeHavilland Canada to install Lear ARC-10R Radio Compass in 79 Vampire aircraft….probably all they had left by then!! 24 Jul 51: Air Ministry interested in RCAF opinion of the Lear Radio Compass in Vampire aircraft. So…trial installation in 4 aircraft in the Summer of 1949 and did all of them in 1949/50. “ My father was also there at the time and did take photos as well. I have yet to invest the time on how to post photos here. So if anyone is really keen on the subject, (or any other specific aircraft) send me a private note with which aircraft (even by serial) or scheme and I send you whatever you need. I did cover all this sort of 'stuff' in a couple of finish and markings books complete, with photos and drawings (shameless plug); ROYAL CANADIAN AIR FORCE, Aircraft Finish and Markings, 1947 - 1968, Vol.1 & 2 (ask for them at the Aviation Bookshop event). Whoever did the research for the Special Hobby kit got it spot on. So often I end up laughing aloud when I see the inaccurate marijuana look alike maple-leaf knock off roundels. Patrick Martin
  13. If Arma had the distribution numbers (sales) of a new Airfix 1/72 kit for a new a single engine prop aircraft, could/would the price drop to under ten pound? If Airfix could release a single engine prop aircraft a month like Arma is doing (recently), for under ten pound, what would that do for Airfix? Maybe Airfix should be talking to Arma 1/72 people ...... I have plenty of suggestions ..... Pat Martin
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