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Yeah, but you wouldn't want anyone to kit that as it looks at the moment - especially if they used LIDAR to scan it - unless you want to make a diorama of a wreck

Can't disagree with that, although I have retained the Classic Airframe Do-17 for now ( but yes, I bought the ICM one). I've found nearly every CA kit I've built a bit of a chore which put the Do-17 in the stash pile for so long, but I have heard reasonable reports of it as a build.

Not sure what you mean by your comment re 1/48th. ICM released new tool Do-17s only recently. In 1/32 I wonder how well the earlier Revell releases sold ( at least here in the UK). I've not seen that many on the tables at shows and the Ju 88's regularly seem to go for discount prices.

and very very heavy. Makes me wonder why pilots want something that is already near a Kilo on their wrist when pulling G ?

Yes it is, nut the insert shown for the single seater sits below the line of the fuselage and the cockpit sills right and left are still curved. On the 2 seater ( which I have in front of me) the cockpit insert has straight sills and the squared off rear following exactly the line of the upper fuselage. Unfortunately, should I use this part and cut out the shape of the insert but shorten it front to back to try to get an accurate single seater from the 2 seat kit, I will still have to fill part of the void in that part for the rear cockpit. The amount to cut out for the insert insert to fix the shape from front to back of the front cockpit aperture is 28mm. The 2 seater insert has the second cockpit beginning 25mm back, so there is a 3 mm void to fill. Probably doable if plugged from beneath with card and then filled with milliput or similar. Open the canopy and that would hide most of any remedial work.

As per my post - and I think the comparison of the two fuselages captures well why modellers here cannot understand why the AMG kit has that huge scalloped cockpit opening, when the years old Hobbycraft mould has it about right, as does the front section of the insert for your 2 seater.

one tip re the Tamiya rigging ( I've now built 2 of these - and love the kit) . If building with the wings folded it is best ( if awkward) to fix the rigging in place with the wings attached. It also helps to glue just one end and leave the other " floating" if possible. The etched metal rigging is stiff and adding the wings to the spars can add some stress and flex into the plastic parts which can then cause some rigging to slacken and others to tighten.

got the canopy too ( Aerolub ). I did look this morning and the wings are an exact match in planform to the HC kit, including the location and size of the cannon blisters. The AMG wings mate pretty much perfectly to the HC fuselage too. Gear bays are also the same shape and position. The AMG fuselage is a bit less humped in front of the windscreen position and also has a more pronounced bulge" behind the exhaust outlets ( but I think less than the Trumpeter kit had), and it has the scalloped cut out as per Trumpeter. I do like the HC kit and have already built one in Iraqi colours using the Cooper stuff, but the wing has those horrible soft wide trenches. If they were as per the fuselage it would be a lot better.

If I could find one I'd buy the AMK kit!

Well I have a HC kit in the stash complete with Cooper details cockpit and aftermarket U/C. When I get a bit of spare time I'll look at them both side to side. I did have a Trumpeter kit and I recall the rivets being quite deep and certainly regular. On the AMG kit, some of the ( very fine) rivets are not absolutely straight, as if they have been created by a ponce wheel or riveting tool. The Exhaust fairings as definitely smother and shallower than the Trumpeter one ( at least as far as I can tell from sprue shots of the Trumpeter kit). I think this is not a straight copy. Agree the cockpit opening is awful. I think this could be corrected using the insert for the 2 seater. Have to compare the gear doors with those from the HC kit. Not hard to replace with card, but shouldn't be necessary on a new kit.

I've not quite finished the Kinetic kit. It is a little fiddly, with small parts such as the fuselage air scoops that might have been better moulded as part of the fuselage rather than separate parts. The instructions are poor, with mis numbered parts and some areas such as the nose gear bay look to have the parts drawn incorrectly. By far my biggest problem, and one mentioned in other build reviews is getting a decent fit for the canopy. The canopy seems to be much narrower than the fuselage, and despite fettling the cockpit ( which fits well) I have been unable to get the cockpit sill to squeeze in at all. I have resorted to sanding the fuselage sides to narrow them from the outside. This is my second attempt to get a good canopy fit. My first attempt led to a broken canopy, and wrecking of the (rare) Finnish decals in sorting out the problem. Others mileage may vary but I suspect the AMK kit would be a better purchase.

Given what you have in your shed, your references will be better than mine. Save for the obvious scalloped cockpit area, what other shape errors do you see?

Well, my Baghdad Fury has arrived. First impressions are good. I no longer have the Trumpeter kit having sold in semi disgust, but whilst there are rivets on this AMG kit, they are subtle, and may well be almost filled by a primer coat and subsequent top coats. Detail parts in both plastic , etch and resin are also very nice. Wheel wells and U/C legs are particularly nice. One ( big ) issue however is that the fuselage as supplied is the single seater version and has to be cut accurately in order to fit the 2 seater insert. The instructions as supplied do not advise this. I contacted Dora ( above ) who confirmed that this is the case. Looking more closely at the photos in this thread the cut out and the join can be seen . Personally I am a little disappointed in this and have suggested to the manufacturers that they tool a 2 seater fuselage with the cut out already made as I think many modellers will be put off by having to make accurate cuts for an insert ( me being one of them, but for me it's too late as I bought the kit not knowing this). The ideal solution would be a fuselage with the cut out and two optional inserts so that a) you could have a 2 seater or fix the inaccurate cockpit sill line of the current single seater fuselage. I may actually try this myself and cut out just enough to add the front half of the insert to get a much better single seat Fury.

I got mine in response to a forum comment about " Holy Grail" kits that were hard to find. A kind fellow modeller offered me one from his stash. I would feel guilty not building it as a result. So maybe I build both! I am still surprised that the Ouragan and the Mystere are yet to be kitted as a modern 1/48th injected kit. The French examples are really colourful and Israeli examples of anything seem very popular.

Now I have to choose between buying this or building the JGMT resin kit I have.......

Could you not remove the filler, then fill with CA glue, let it harden and then polish it back to clarity? That way you get a smooth joint and a flush fitting window. When you paint the model, mask the area of the window and it should look fine.

Hi Graham. A guess, but I have a couple of the Stenman books and we have others in the IPMS Avon club library and I have not seen any pictures of Finnish Dorniers in their original Luftwaffe splinter scheme, so would have suspected they were re finished in Warpaint and then covered in a white distemper in the winter. I have the CA kit instructions for the Finnish boxing. Could scan the camo scheme and send it on Thursday when I return home?

Again, I like the Mk 4 Neomega seats ( early ) http://www.neomega-resin.com/mkiv-239-p.aspand (late )http://www.neomega-resin.com/mkiv-late-251-p.asp

I agree that the quality is high, and the current kits are a little niche, but even then I thought they were expensive, especially for " advance order" sales.Assuming the quality is up to the current releases I would hope the Vampire and Venom prices would be a little lower to reflect the likelyvolume sales for these two. I would also hope they include at least the basic fuel tanks in the box. If not, then Alley Cat may well get my money for another Vampire.

I used the full Neomega cockpit upgrade ( very nice but almost unseen once the seats go in). I can't see the seats being sold separately though. Looking in line, this image is supposed to be a Sea Vixen seat (http://www.ejectionsite.com/vixenseat.htm), but it looks very different to those in the Quickboost set, but very much like the Neomega seats. Neomega do produce a late MB Mk IV ( http://www.neomega-resin.com/mkiv-late-251-p.asp) which look pretty close to th ephoto on th ejection site. Suspect the differences will be mainly strap lengths and the seat pad.

Well I've invested in the Baghdad 2 Seater. Tempted by the other 2 seater boxing as well, as I prefer the look of the joined cockpits, but I've already adapted a HC kit as a Baghdad Fury so a 2 seater to join it will be nice. It does look as though the single seater still does not have the correct cockpit opening, yet the 2 seater front cockpit looks more correct, so hopefully they can adjust and fix that before the further single seat releases.

Hi Ali- now here's the deal. As soon as I finish my current Sea Vixen build, I'll start my CA rag wing Hurricane - that will almost guarantee you'll suddenly find unexpected pipeline time to release a 1/48th conversion!

seconded on the rag wing conversion for the 1/48th kit. Would save me from having to build my CA one in the stash. Would clearly be a more difficult conversion though given how the wing spars are configured on the larger kit.

Looks as if the Finnish seat lacks the larger head box seen on the RAF Gnats ( a Google search of images suggests this. The image of the museum example would seem to be the best choice given that is the type of operational aircraft you are modelling. I can see the back " cushion" which in the Gnat was more of a canvas back plate. The shoulder straps also are apparent as is the blue "waist" strap. I can't work out of there are two other shoulder straps for the parachute ( or holding to the seat) missing as there seems to be a large gap between the head cushion and the shoulder straps . In this image tha tI used to detail my RAF Gnat seat https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=folland+gnat+ejection+seat&biw=1536&bih=751&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN1_zR3KvMAhVDORoKHRnSDVYQsAQIGw&dpr=1.25#imgrc=-cmlnH9_lVC3eM%3A, you can see the larger head box, and the straps that attach to the head box. Seems to be a different seat in the fighter version.

Hi Smoffo- any initial impressions since you bought this ( so frustrated to realise that a colleague from my local UK club travelled to the Moson show and could have picked one of these up for me )?