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Chris Thomas

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  1. Thanks Jun, memory wasn't too bad then, but wrong about the spinner.. note for the modeller; the photos came from a former 226 OCU student and his recollection of their Tempests were that they were scruffy and poorly maintained. However he went on to fly Tempest VIs with 213 Sqn.
  2. If the BWC Museum refs are not completely helpful, I do have a couple of shots of XL-Y, but I am away from records for a few weeks. Certainly it did not have the white identity markings and the codes were black and maybe the spinner. IIRC (a big if) the serial was PR555. I used one of the photos in 'Typhoon and Tempest Story'.
  3. It is RAF Museum, Hendon, Archives that you need to contact. Internet for the number and then speak direct.
  4. Backplate looks ... maybe Sky ... but logic would say white. Your call! repainted side down to the white chin stripe definitely fresh OG.
  5. I'm glad you asked that question Mike. 20 years have passed since the T&T Aces book and some further hints have led me to reassess my interpretation. Back in 1999 I was passing on what was 'perceived wisdom' gleaned from researchers who had gone before, but I now believe that the two-tone spinners originated with a misinterpretation of the poorly-worded order which reinstated camouflage on the nose when the white nose markings were removed. The initial order said that the portion in front of the blades was to be Sky with camouflage aft of that; it was later amended to to state the complete spinner was to be Sky. After a close look at photos of 609's Typhoons in the early months of 1943 it seems to me that the rear half of the spinners match up with one of the camouflage colours. Later this may have changed to 'Flight colours' or even black. Looking at the front view of PR-Z, published in the Osprey Aces book, it appears that the rear of the spinner matches the Ocean Grey where it has been used to paint out the white. Furthermore, a colour photo of a 609 pilot has turned up, which shows the leading edge letter in Yellow. Looking at the PR-Z photo again it does seem that the 'Z' on the LE matches the Yellow stripe along the wing. So my best (partly informed) guess would now be OG/Sky spinner and Yellow code on the LE. CT
  6. The 195 Squadron ORB is unusual in that it records all flights, both operational and non-operational. It seems JP405 was one of 3 Typhoons delivered on 5 July 1943. On 6, 7 and 8 July it made a total of 12 flights, all of which were tests or training flights except for one at 2155 on 7 July when it was one of two Typhoons scrambled to intercept a pair of Fw 190s. Unfortunately they were unable to make contact. F/Sgt Vause was airborne on 1035 on 8 July, for "Cine Gun and Low Flying" exercises. He crashed at 1120 during the latter exercise. The Form 78 'movement card' has just two entires recording its arrival with the squadron on 6 July and the flying accident, category E, on 8 July. There is also the Form 1180 'accident card' which records brief details of the accident for statistical purposes. Copies of both these cards can be obtained from the RAF Museum Archives department.
  7. Hello Mike Thanks for the vote of confidence (?) but I worked with Airfix mainly on external colours. I do not have any good reference for much of the interior, although (from surviving parts) it would seem much was painted silver. However, I do not think this would be the case with self-sealing tanks, and although red (oxide) seems to be prominent on Hurricanes, the surviving Typhoon wing leading edge tank on display at Duxford is black. Unless anyone can come up with something more conclusive, that would be my choice. CT
  8. Presumably you are seeking information on the appearance of this aircraft. It was a brand new machine, having arrived at Ludham (195's base) just two days before the crash. A photo of such a short-lived aircraft is unlikely but I have one of its replacement JP503 which arrived a few days later. It shows completely standard markings - sky spinner, Typhoon identity stripes, Sqn codes to the left of the roundel. It was one of the last 'cardoor' Typhoons with the aerial mast through the canopy (soon to be replaced by a whip aerial), faired cannon barrels, no bomb carriers or exhaust fairings. JP405 would have been very similar. the crash site was Potter Heigham.
  9. The only Tempests used over Normandy (and then only briefly) were Mk V Series 1 which were not capable of carrying any underwing stores. Most Series 2 Tempest Vs were capable of carrying tanks, bombs or RP but, apart from 33 Sqn in he last two days of hostilities, (when they used 500 lb bombs) only the long range tanks were used. These LRTs were fitted for the vast majority of operations. The use of stores after the war is too complex to discuss whilst I am on holiday!
  10. 268 Sqn handed some of its FR Ibs on to 4 Sqn and both 84 Group Typhoon wings (123 and 146) had a few which they used for target reconnaissance and attack assessment, right up to the end of the war. Some aircraft had both inner cannon removed and various camera installations were fitted. I have not found any evidence that there was a PR version (i.e. no armament) just FR.
  11. 616 Sqn were equipped with the Meteor Mk III when've they arrived in 2nd TAF in April 1945 - a much better prospect than the Mk I, but still slower than the 262.
  12. I see from the other thread running on this topic that I gave the serial of the JFA that Vass was flying as EJ755, not NV755 as suggested here. Unfortunately I'm away from my records for a while so cannot check which is correct. I used to remember these things ... but not any more.
  13. I'll steer clear of the 2nd TAF/ADGB division as it is complex and not strictly relevant. It is simpler to say that the Series 1 aircraft only served with 3 and 486 Sqns and had been replaced by the time these units flew to Belgium at the end of September 1944. Some of the surviving Mk V Series 1 Tempests were refurbished and issued to 287 Sqn in 1945, but this was a non-operational AA Co-operation unit.
  14. All but the first 50 Tempest Vs were Series 2. All Tempest Vs used in Europe were Series II. Most importantly they had LRT capability.
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