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I have been looking to do this also but with a 1/72 Revell MkIIc (just need some B wings...) Where exactly does the 2mm from the nose need to be removed, the very tip where the spinner meets or nearer the engine firewall?

Skimming though the resourses found on the net as well as the excellent F-15e.com site i am still a little confused about the differences between the Academy weapons pylons and airfix pylons. What should I be adding to my 1/72 Academy Strike Eagle to bring it upto a more realistic E config?

Just looked on that website, great stuff I have an 1/72 Academy F-51E with a resin cockpit to do so very handy.

It's because it isn't a Tamigawas that has me hooked, a simply stunning 'Stang.

Looking to maybe do a 1/72 F-82. Whats the Revell/ Monogram one like and would it be easy to rescribe the panel lines?

Just cleaning out old stuff (hence the mass of old posts in the trash) some newer topics were on the recieving end of my cull... regret to those who were part of them!

Lovley Griffon Spit!

Nice conversion, whats the scheme going to be?

Great info and discussion guys Thanks. Just dug up the following details, hope they are usfull for others here also... (cut and pasted from an email so hope you don't mind the odd looking text layout) RAF Expediter Mk. I (52 delivered 1944) In 1944, the British needed commu- nications aircraft for use in Asia, the Middle East and at home. There also existed crew training require- ments for the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan, operated by the RCAF, in Canada. A total of 119 Expediter I models were received under Lend-Lease4.10 with distribution as follows: 52 for the RAF, six for the Royal Navy, and 61 for the RCAF.4.11 The 52 RAF aircraft bore serials from HB128 to HB206, and were shipped by sea beginning in April 1944, but few of the Expediter I models were destined for England. The majority went to Karachi, India, and the RAF Air Command South East Asia for assignment to Communications Squadrons or Flights. Examples served with the 3rd Tactical Air Force, 4th Air Delivery Unit, Director General of Aviation in India, 221st Group, 224th Group, 225th Group and 353rd Squadron. These transported personnel and equipment, and were in the natural metal finish with the RAF serial in black on the rear fuselage and South East Asia Command roundels. Those roundels had a dark blue outer circle and a light blue inner disc. The usual red cen- ter was eliminated to avoid confu- sion with the Japanese national insignia. The fin flash had light blue forward and dark blue in the rear. The 1941 Lend-Lease Act called for the return of surviving aircraft at the end of hostilities; RAF records show 26 were returned. Two of those went to the AAF, and the U.S. Navy accepted the remain- ing 24 at Norfolk, VA, on December 31, 1946. RAF Expediter Mk. II (217 delivered 1944-1945) The RAF was allocated 217 C-45Fs under the Lend-Lease program4.59 and designated them Expediter Mk. II models. The Expediter IIs were serialled KN100 to KN149 (50), KJ468 to KJ560 (93), and in the range from HB208 to HB299 (74). The RAF had a need for communi- cations aircraft, especially for use in South Asia, so 151 Expediter IIs were shipped by sea from the Port of Newark, NJ, (beginning in June 1944) to Karachi, India. The RAF Air Command South East Asia assigned them to various Communications Squadrons or Flights where they transported personnel and equip- ment. For example, Expediter Mk. IIs “in the KN series were flown dur- ing 1945-1946 by Polish pilots of the RAF 229 Group Communications Flight in India, operating with 9, 10 and 11 Ferry Units.”4.60Initial deliv- eries to the RAF in north Africa and the Middle East consisted of 62 Expediter IIs with four serving the RAF in the U.S. Note that the RAF spelled the name differently from its common- wealth partner, the RCAF, who spelled it “Expeditor Mk. II.” The 1941 Lend-Lease Act called for the return of surviving aircraft at the end of hostilities, and AAF aircraft record cards note that 145 were sent back to the AAF, many of which were stored in Germany. RAF Expediter II HB253 returned from service in the Mediterranean, and was turned over to the AAF in Romania on July 19, 1946. It was then registered YR-MIT to King Michael of Romania with the Certificate of Airworthiness issued on October 20, 1946. The King abdicat- edin December 1947 and left Romania, but there is no aircraft cancellation date in the Romanian records — just the note: “aircraft flown out of the country by Traian Udriski with his wife and child on board in 1948.”4.61 Udriski may have been the King’s pilot. In February 1950, the plane was registered to Air Import AG, Switzerland, as HB GAA, and then to CN de St. Yan until February 1967 as F-BFRO. Royal Navy Expediter Mk. II (61 Delivered 1944-1945) Sixty-one Lend-Lease Expediter IIs were delivered to the Royal Navy and most were delivered to India for communications work. Serials included FT980 to FT996 (17), HD752 to HD776 (25), and in the range KP100 to KP124 (19). Crated Expediter IIs arrived in Great Britain and India and were assembled at the British Reassembly Division, Lockheed Ltd., at Liverpool’s Speke Airport and Renfrew, Scotland; as well as places such as the Royal Navy Aircraft Repair Yard at Coimbatore, India. In early April 1946, it was announced that Britain had received full title to 25 Lend-Lease C-45s with the understanding that when they became surplus they would not be transferred to another nation without U.S. approval.4.64 It is probable that they were Royal Navy Expediter IIs since, by the end of 1946, the RAF only had a few left. In January 1949, the Royal Navy still had 24 in service. The three primary post-war Royal Navy Expediter II operators were: 728 Squadron, Fleet Radio Unit (FRU) at Hal Far, Malta; 781 Squadron (Southern Communications Unit) at Lee on- Solent, UK; and 782 Squadron (Northern Communications Unit) at Donibristle, UK. In addition the Flag Officer Reserve Aircraft (FORA unit) at Arbroath, Scotland, and the Flag Officer Flying Training (FOFT unit) at RAF Merryfield/Yeovilton used them. The last Expediter IIs were struck off charge by the Royal Navy and scrapped at Hal Far in August 1957. RAF Expeditors... 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cheers Graham, this is a start anyway! I feel the 'plain jane' look is the one I am am to do as i can get some good panel shades going. I have found an example here http://airfixtributeforum.myfastforum.org/..._t__t_7951.html of the PM kit built, I like the larger style SEAC? roundles so will be using these.

thanks for that Graham. I am interested therefore in the aircraft used in Burma and BAFSEA. (what was 216 group?) would you be able to recommend any sources for photos?

Would anyone know what RAF Squadrons used the C-45 Expeditor MkI and MkII (Beech 18) There is really not much around that i can find or maybe I just have not found it yet?

That looks a great start I too am doing a vintage SMER, the Tiger Moth so I will follow your build with interest.

seconded: warm water works a treat. keep it really thin and build up the layers when the paint has been left to dry for a day for best results. In practice this wprks for me.

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.p...mp;#entry489025 I am currently using the 1/72 Academy Mustang (north africa) as a basis for an RAF Mk1 its a lovley little model, I was going to use the Frog Mk1 but as soon as I saw the Academy version I fell for modern engineering!

The Hart family book and Mushroom book are both ideal for your projects. It would not be too difficult to convert the types. I have a copy of SAMI with a great artical about the types I can dig out for you later this evening if you like. Hope you put your builds on here they will look awesome!

Thanks for the interior details, a feast of information. Reading thorugh http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2000...le_mustang3.htm on the IPMS Stockholm site. I am interested in the markings shown, paricually in the accuacy of the colour plates. Some have obviously been copied from photos that are easily found on the Net such as 2Sqn XV-E and 613Sqn SY-L A few others 26Sqn RM_T XC-F too name two I have certailnly never seen photos of?

Mentalguru, cheers for advising me to go for the Academy version as I have managed to get one and it is really good. now then what to make D-Day Stang Ia or Stang I with Yellow wing markings ... oh, whats the colour of the interior on an early British Mustang? humbrol aycrlic 226 or xtracrylicx XA1010? (these are the only greens I own so I hope one is correct!) am I correct in guessing the wheel wells would be chromate green primer ..or similar? edit, just found this on hyperscale 'The Allison Mustangs had the wheel wells painted aluminum. The spar which formed the rear of the well was Yellow Zinc Chromate. Gear doors were aluminum paint, as were the gear struts. Wheel were natural metal. The wheel doors were always in the up posistion ,unless the gear was cycling. The cockpit was Dull Dark Green, and the remainder of the interior of the a/c, not the crew area would have been yellow zinc chromate. Do not forget to add the seat armor(Accurate left it out). ( Mustang IIs were also painted like this)'

http://www.skyraider.org/

awesome! nice finnish (matt those tyres!) What make?

Great information Col, thankyou for sharing these pictures and photos.

cheers Martin, just need to get hold of a very fine razor saw to take the nose and rad area off. will display the the build in WIP sometime soon

Thats true Graham, but thats where raising the wing a little may help the perception...I hope..anyway it's not going to dead on accurate anyway! Just seen a photo of the Radiator opening...hey thet looks great! it's on Col Fords Mustang artical.

Prehaps raising the wings a little may be needed, this would be easy to do also, although the measurements that have been mentioned (when brought down to 1:72 scale) are minute! I have found another reference 'P51 Mustang: From 1940-1980 ' and it has a 2 page spread briefly outlining the advancement of design by showing side profiles of each Mustang variant. the P-51B is certainly 'deeper' around the radiator area but when this part is taken away and replaced by the Mustang I item then the airframe does gain the slightly narrower line. Well I am going to go ahead and do this conversion as I looks to be correct enough for this scale, with a bit of butchery of course. Many thanks for everyones imput! it's been very informative.

Thanks for the notes and details. I was rather hoping not having to go and get an Academy P-51A and use what I have available to me and do a bit of DIY modelling? Graham you say the whole rear fuselage is raised, in what way? I have desided to measure up the two kit airframes (green Revell, grey Frog)- the fuselage spines and tails are a copy of each other, the entire nose upto the fire wall would have to be exhanged. The larger radiator would have to be removed carefully following the panel lines and the smaller one grafted on and detailed. Looking at the project not too much fuss by the looks of it but it takes careful cutting around the engraved detail as the Revell wings fit the smaller Radiator scoop well. http://www.cybermodeler.com/special/mustang.shtml is a super link, one I had not come across, thanks ben m, it clears up my, until now, limited understanding of the armourment between variants