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  1. Some feedback on results! This is 'what I did' not 'what to do'! After some test pieces I opted for the Windsor & Newton professional Matt varnish. The reasons for choosing this were: available from the art shop near me, likely to have best non yellowing properties as artist material, ease of use as spray can. It gave good results on test pieces of styrene airbrushed with colourcoats. Consistent flat finish. Seems more forgiving than Humbrol spray which went streaky/ patchy. On to the ship: I did the decks first; great results: dead flat finish, even, unified the paintwork - happy modelling. Then did the hull: problems started. Had the bright idea of undercoating the hull in the gloss version for hard wearing layer/ as a base for decals. Applied what I thought was a light coat (one overlapping pass over whole hull), but got lots of runs and streaks on the vertical surfaces - huge mess, oh dear. Fortunately the varnish is formulated to be removed (as artist use). So an evening with the turpentine substitute - was able to clean off the affected areas with a sponge quite quickly, leaving the underlying enamel unharmed. Then re-applied the gloss very lightly, 2 coats, then Matt varnish very lightly in 2 coats and it's looking much better. I also turned the ship and sprayed in stages, with the target area horizontal, which also helps (the instructions recommend this). So to summarise: W&N professional Matt/gloss varnish: Pros: great flat and even finish when applied properly. Follow the instructions on the can to the letter. 30cm distance, very light coats, ideally have the surface horizontal. As advertised it's very much an artist's quality material. So if you are doing a pristine 'museum piece' to go on a shelf I would recommend. Cons: Can run if applied too heavily (which is true of any varnish) Easily cleaned with solvents: I would not be confident putting an oil based wash over this for weathering. Quite expensive online, but can be found cheaper (eg £16 on Amazon but £9 in my local shop) Photos of the build on Instagram @beagleshipmodels
  2. Yes to both - splinter mattresses were around the air defence position from 1941-42. Quad pom poms located just aft, one on each side. Photo here: https://www.world-war.co.uk/Kent/suffolk.php And on IWM website. Also check out my 1/96 scale model of Suffolk at Denmark Strait timeframe on Instagram @beagleshipmodels
  3. Thanks everyone for the very helpful replies! Yes I think some testing is in order. I have some squares of styrene which I've airbrushed at the same time as the boat, but I might need a couple more!
  4. Thanks again. Do you brush on the W&N Galleria varnish? Have you used the W&N spray cans eg. 'professional matt varnish'?
  5. Thanks both for those suggestions - I will check them out! Will try to update this with the results.
  6. Hi everyone I was just wondering if anyone had recommendations for a good matt varnish to use over colourcoats paint? I have some Humbrol spray cans (enamel 49). For a working RC model so want something to protect the paint. I know this has been discussed before but some things are not produced any more (eg testors dullcote seems tricky to get hold of) Thanks in advance! James
  7. Great! I think you can see at least three in the first photo you posted - either side of the fwd funnel and the single one aft of 'X' turret. The ones by the mast are harder to see. But the searchlights are not there anymore, there just seems to be one in the middle. So something must have replaced them.
  8. I have found this article - some profiles of Cairo 1942 towards the end. Not sure of accuracy but hopefully of use. https://web.archive.org/web/20210224225606/http://www.steelnavy.com/LaterCClass.htm
  9. Hi Jeff, I agree - as fitted onslow had twin 0.5in machine guns (very unusual for a destroyer) below the signal lamp bridge wings. These were changed to 20mm oerlikons by Feb 1942. As you say these positions look quite restricted (noticeable when building at 1/96), there were support posts for the bridge wings immediately behind. So I guess they moved them aft for better arcs of fire. This happened mid-late 1942. The Os had a range of AA guns depending on what was available. As you say a few models & plans miss this detail!
  10. Great progress! Agree that small structure is very likely a radar office. Appears on the ship in mid-late 1942 at the same time the bridge oerlikon positions were moved. The structure immediately below it is labelled rdf office on the nmm plans
  11. Just in addition to the above, I re-read the sections in Williams & Hodges books on naval camouflage - both imply that the SEFD scheme was a adaptation of western approaches. Williams also lists western approaches blue as one of the tones - not sure what the primary be evidence for this is though.
  12. @dickrd Thank you for taking the time to look over this & such a detailed reply! I am glad you agree with the assessment. I had not spotted the lower hull below the boot topping on the photos in & leaving John Brown's. I also have the DoY 'Anatomy from building to breaking' book which shows a few photos of Onslow in the background. Interesting that the lower hull paint varied between ships even within the same yard. I will probably go for Red as I already have some of this from @Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies. The painting from 'Arctic destroyers' - agree that it came from that still, it is virtually identical. Also interesting is the deterioration in the HFG paint in 1942 from months of operations. I don't think I will try to replicate this.... I think we have discussed the appearances in late 1942 before, thinking white / MS3 / B6 / 507c as most likely (based on tone equivalents in the 1943 design). I noticed recently in the CB3098 1943 there is a reference to the original design for the SEFD scheme: para 181: "In the original design, a shade of green is used instead of the light grey shade G.45 and a shade of blue instead of the blue-grey shade B.30." Reading this I wondered if these could have been western approaches shades? Although I have not seen any reference to this, given that the SEFD base colour is white, and the angular nature of the patterns - would it make sense that SEFD 'evolved' from western approaches, with the MS3/G20 panel added over? In relation to this there is also this painting by Charles Pears: https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-12174 There are issues with the accuracy of this painting (eg. looks like quad 0.5in MG on bridge wings, which Onslow never had, Mast DF is wrong etc) but the record says it was painted in 1943. But I think this does look a bit like a lighter more vivid green on the fwd panel (we previously said MS3, which was a murky green), and a blue tone on the aft superstructure (could be 507c or WA Blue?), and the dark panel on the hull (maybe MS3?). Conscious that this all might be a bit tenuous, esp given issues with interpreting colours from paintings but interested to hear thoughts! Thanks again James
  13. Could I please ask for thoughts on some photos of HMS Onslow for colour schemes? Apologies have asked this before but obsessing over it before committing to putting paint on the model! I'm modelling the ship as was in early 1942 (so before the Barents Sea when she is more often depicted) IWM photos here: https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205143145 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205141602 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205141486 https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30018259 Note - I think the model was built shortly after ww2. I can't remember where I read this. My plan: Upperworks in admiralty light grey 507c Hull in home fleet grey 507a Decks: RN non-slip deck grey / semtex areas in "admiralty grey" (evidence for above based on photos & model) Boot topping - I think I can make this out in one of the photos so I think yes, but not sure. The IWM model doesn't have one. Lower hull - I think this would be red if I have read the recent evidence on this correctly. Also Onslow was built next to Duke of York, which I think was red (Does this have any influence at all? Or does the shipyard practice not matter?). There is a painting of Onslow on the front of 'Arctic Destroyers', which shows red lower hull and no boot topping. No idea when this was painted though (presumed not in the middle of a raid, so must be on memory/ from similar film footage). No pennant number, black funnel band with white & red ones below as flotilla leader. An anomaly: what colour is the 25ft boat on the port side? Thought it would be in light grey but looks darker. For reference I also have these notes on other times: As built 1941: Overall HFG with white pennant numbers Mid 1942: 507a/507c scheme as above. Late 1942: Early version of SEFD scheme, 4 tones not sure of colours. 1943 after repair SEFD scheme, presumed in new colour series. Looks like simplified to 3 tones but not sure. 1945: Standard scheme with floats in yellow/red Thanks and apologies for the long post! James
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