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  1. The promised photos of XZ993, a nice side view at RAF Stanley from Tony Westwood, note the application of sealant around the wing and fuselage panels and lack of fin code letter. An inflight shot of XZ993, also uncoded. As for the dates, this best I can say is that records show XZ993 was at RAF Stanley with the HarDet then 1453 Flight (established August 1983) from possibly Feb to mid-December 1983, when it returned to RAF Wittering. Cheers for now Nick
  2. Thanks Dave, my Flickr account is set up but has some stage images in it which Never posted there. They are of a 1/48th Airfix FA2 - not mine! Spooky! (I know someone on hotmail is using my ng899 tag, meaning my hotmail account has a different start.) One small change - the last pic of XZ993 in the second set is via Tony Westwood. Cheers Nick
  3. Hi guys, Sorry been offline until mid-afternoon as the result of the thunderstorms around here last night - 2.5+ hours of continuous lightning; clearly caused BT a few headaches. James, thanks for the tip about Flickr - I'll see what I can do in the next few days if Dave hasn't done something. BFN, take care Nick
  4. Good morning all, Really good to see some photos of the HarDet / 1453 Flt emerging after all these years; thank you! The best I've been able to trace on them is provided above (and below) but I doubt it is 100% accurate when it comes to the shield and 1453 Flt insignia being applied. Aircraft moved back and forth between the UK and the Islands quite rapidly it seems, their refurbishments including repaints, so 778 could be L in both. That said, when it first landed at Stanley and until Dec-82 many of its panels still had the sealant outlines present and, by Dec, it had H as a tail code. In photos that looks very orange, rather than golden yellow. My hypothesis for that is that IV(AC) took over the HarDet duties from 1(F) in November and they replaced 1's red two number codes with their own single letter ones. At the time they used a style which was 1/3rd yellow, 1/3rd red, and 1/3 yellow - a thin red letter inside the yellow one. Could that be why they look orange? The original HarDet aircraft were... "On 26 June, an advance party from 1(F) Squadron took up residence at RAF Stanley prior to four Harriers disembarking from Hermes on 4 July to operate from its very basic facilities: XV778/16, XZ133/10, XZ992/05 and XZ997/31. The four Harriers which had travelled south on the Contender Bezant followed them to Stanley on 6 July: XV762/37, XW767/06, XW924/35 and XZ129/29." I'm having difficulties with Photobucket so Dave, is it okay if I email some photos to you for uploading here? Thanks. Trevor, please drop me a PM with your direct email address in it and I'll send you something you may find interesting about the Falklands GR3s. Cheers Nick
  5. Drop me a PM with your direct email in it and I’ll send you something’s to help you. A good few different GR3s were at Stanley while the HarDet /1453 Flt was there (I don't have the full list) and used 3 different insignia. Photos of the early ones are like hens teeth. The early aircraft of 1(F) Sqn which deployed straight off Hermes had no Sqn markings. Then in late 82/83 the first Falklands badge was applied below the windscreen about halfway down - a pale blue shield with a pale grey sheep on it near the top a white wavy line under the sheep then a pale orange 3-masted sailing ship centrally with another white wavy line below it, the bottom of the shield being pale blue. The aircraft had code letters in yellow on the fin and starboard outrigger. XV778 was H. The later 1453 Flt badge was like the 1(F) Sqn insignia - two dark blue outlined in golden yellow triangles in the centre of which was a shield, in a thin yellow strip at the top was 1453 in dk blue, the rest of the shield being dark blue with a map of the islands in yellow on it. There was also a HarDet badge which I'm not even going to tray and describe here! On XZ997 yellow-E, I have a photo of her taxying out with the original shield type badge on her nose in late 82. Having photobucket issues so struggling to upload anything here. Hope that helps. Nick
  6. As far as I can ascertain the serial of FA2 124 armed with 4x AIM120s during Op Southern Watch in 1997 was ZH800. You'll have spotted the outline of the old 800 NAS markings on the fin, the newly applied 124 code, the DSG overall 190 gallon tanks and AIM120 launcher rails (MSG pylon adapters for the outboard pylons) and fuselage pylons. 1/48th Kinetic kit build, or...? Good luck with it! Cheers Nick
  7. Hi Graham, To answer your questions: Colours "The whole fuselage, wing and tailplane upper surfaces were semi-matt Medium Sea Grey (MSG) (BS381C:637) which overlapped wing and tailplane leading edge centre-lines onto their under-surfaces by 1 inch, with about 4 inches MSG overlap into the intake lips. (Different to the drawings as this information has only come to light since the Kinetic kit was released.) The intake interiors were semi-matt White, which soon discoloured. Photographs show the EDSG colour behind and on top of the front nozzles, where the nozzle masked the fuselage: the nozzles were set fully back and not removed during the re-spray; except on ZA194 and XZ497 which were delivered in the new scheme directly from BAe Dunsfold. The gun pods and underwing pylons were also MSG." The only roundels were those on the cockpit sides. ZA194 July 1982 was an interesting month for ZA194 as it had two schemes. First, as it returned from the Falklands War on HMS Hermes as black 94 and was quickly repainted to become black 251 of 809 NAS for its deployment to the South Atlantic on HMS Illustrious between August and December 1982. In the instructions, scheme 12 shows her in late July as 251, with the just pale blue 809 Phoenix fin insignia (decal 15), though the cockpit-side roundels should be in a slightly higher position for this scheme. (For some reason the cockpit side roundel location changed between the two 809 deployments.) 809's SHARs deployed on Illustrious in the main with single Sidewinder rails and overall MSG 190 gallon tanks fitted though, due to issues with the 190s, some aircraft flew back to Yeovilton to get 100-gallon tanks as the carrier sailed down the Channel; hence photographs showing 809's tanks in various colours: pre-war EDSG+W and overall MSG. In the South Atlantic, 809 took turns being based at RAF Stanley and photos show ZA194/251 at Stanley with MSG 190s and the twin AIM-9L rails fitted - instruction section 8G. On 17 October ZA194/251 piloted by Lt Cdr Tim Gedge accompanied by Lt Pete Collins in either XZ500/252 or XZ459/256, ZA194 escorted in the first Phantom FGR.2 XV468/W flown by Wg Cdr MacFadyen of 29 Sqn to land at RAF Stanley. By this date the name of LT CDR THORNTON has been applied in black under the windscreen on the starboard side and the name AEM MORSE was added to the starboard front u/c door (I have spare decals for those). The name 'Rosie' was added in black script (using a permanent marker pen!) to the port cockpit side (and mainly erased!) at some time before 809 arrived back at Yeovilton in December. This scheme gives you the option of something different. For ZA194 as 94 between 28 April and 19 July 1982 - She was delivered directly from BAe at Dunsfold to Yeovilton on 28 April with a few differences to the SHARs which had been painted in the medium greys scheme at Yeovilton; regarding it having underwing serials and the style of some stencils. Also, its serial number was located in the standard position on the ventral fin rather than on the lower rear fuselage as those aircraft respired at Yeovilton had it. Quoting from my monograph for the Harrier SIG on 809's SHARs at this time. "As delivered from BAe it was in the Medium Greys scheme (except for the roundels and fin markings), with the standard black 4 inches high serial on the ventral fin and standard 20-inch black under-wing serials. It had standard red ejection seat warning stencils on the cockpit sides and standard yellow rescue arrows and stencils on the canopy frame. Its engine cover Fire Access stencils had no red outlines and the RCV stencils were just the red words. ZA194 had the strake marks under its fuselage but not white edges to the nose wheel bay (it had been resprayed MSG while fitted with strakes which, when replaced by gun pods meant that the front area of the original white under the strakes still showed as white, or may be zinc chromate on this SHAR; some aircraft were respired with their front u/c doors open, resulting in two white lines down the edges of the front u/c bay. The front nozzles had been sprayed separately so it also had no EDSG areas on the top of those nozzles or on the fuselage behind them. It may have had Barley Grey rear sections to its gun pods (these were fitted after its arrival at Yeovilton so painted there, where stock of MSG may have been getting low as a few SHARs had lighter sections to the rear third of the gun pods). Port wing-root light fitted in an EDSG panel. The cockpit-side 809 NAS fin markings and Royal Navy titles were applied on 29 April. (BAe's photographer at Yeovilton in April 1982) Phil Boyden recalls that ZA194’s shade of grey was different to the other 809 NAS FRS.1s; though this is not noted in Dick Ward’s articles or Modeldecal sheet colour notes from the aircraft’s return to the UK. Two hypotheses which may explain this are, BAe may have: 1. Applied the MSG directly over primer rather than over existing EDSG paint; resulting in it looking lighter than if applied over EDSG. 2. Sprayed it overall Barley Grey; less likely. I have only found one colour photograph of ZA194 at Yeovilton prior to its flight south which, as the aircraft is on its own at Dunsfold, does not show any tonal difference with other 809 SHARs! One photo of its nose alongside XZ499/99 when they returned to Yeovilton shows no discernible difference in colours. So the hypotheses will have to remain unproven for now." ZA194 departed for Banjul on its way to Ascension on 30th. The photo in Scott's link shows one of 809s FRS1s was they had arrived from the UK on Ascension before they transitioned to the Atlantic Conveyor with MSG 100-gallon tanks and Sidewinder launcher rails. On arrival on Hermes the fin markings were overpainted MSG , though they showed as a slightly darker shade of MSG on some SHARs. If you PM me with your direct email address I'll email you some things to help you with the build and markings. Bye for now. Nick
  8. Do you still need any help Herb? Cheers Nick
  9. Graham, I’ll reply to you tomorrow. Busy day. Cheers, Nick
  10. Personal Message me with your direct email address and I’ll send you what you need. Which scheme / aircraft have you decided upon? Let me know and I’ll dig out photos to help you. Cheers Nick
  11. Phew! Thanks Selwyn! The Lepus flare info came from email discussions with Cdr Tim Gedge while helping Rowland White out with his new Harrier 809 book. A few years ago I asked 801's SENGO from 1982 about the sorties with flares described in 'Sharkey' Ward's book. Unfortunately, before he could finish his answer he got purloined by man old friend wanting to buy him drinks and the conversation was left hanging. At least a Lepus is an easy scratch build - in 48th scale: a 1.6" (41mm) length of 0.17" (4.2mm) rod, with 10-thou (0.254mm) plasticard fins. Cheers Nick
  12. Thanks for the clarifications Selwyn. Yesterday was a long day and I just plain got them back to front Or oversimplified things! Doh.
  13. Hi Marc, The Kinetic kit's ordnance is: 190-gallon tanks (7A), 100-gallon tanks (7B*), AIM-120 AMRAAMs (7C-D), Sea Eagles (7E), AIM-9L Sidewinders (8F*-G), ADEN gun pods (8H*-I*), Rocket Pods (8J) and BL755 Cluster Bomb (8K) units included. The rocket pods and CBUs are a mess. Of the others, a Sea Harrier FRS.1 in the first half of 1982 would have used the items marked *, with the caveats detailed below. The single-mounted 9Ls are useable from May 1982 onwards. The gun pods are poorly detailed and can be improved as they miss a lot of surface details. All the other weaponry is left over from the previous Sea Harrier FA.2 kit. Before reading further, the best advice I can give you is to think which Squadron markings you wish to use and then decide which side number and serial combination you wish to use. Once you have done that... Right, 1982 here we come! Before April 1982, the SHARs were in the EDSG/W scheme with full squadron markings, e.g. schemes 1-3 in the kit. They usually but not always carried gun pods. When they did not have gun pods fitted then they would have had the strakes fitted (E22) as lift improvement devices for when hovering. The 100-gallon tanks (stencils always on port side only!) would be carried on the inner pylons and, if carrying Sidewinders, these would have been AIM-9Gs on the outer pylons; not the 9Ls in the kit. 9Gs had white bodies and the triangular front fins, Oh, and the intake interiors would have been EDSG overall, not white as seen on many completed models! Centre line pylon rarely fitted. On the journey south, the white undersides were overpainted with EDSG using a 4" brush on Hermes 800 and 899 NAS FRS1s as there air-con in the hangars could not cope with sprayed paint. The white parts of the roundels were overpainted roundel blue, though ZA193 kept R/W/B under-wing roundels. On Invincible the 801 and 899 SHARs were sprayed - better air-con! Whichever, the once white undersides being painted over white were a bit lighter than the upper surfaces. Schemes 4-5. The Medium Sea Grey and Barley Grey SHARs joined the carriers in mid-May. A few AIM-9Ls were on the carriers and more were air-dropped to the carriers. Once the fighting began the 9Ls were preferred over the 9G as they enabled head-on shots to be made; AIM-9Gs could only be used for attacks from behind or the side. 9Ls had double-delta front fins and their bodies were US Ghost Grey in colour. On the journey south, overall EDSG SHARs on training flights or anti-shadowing aircraft sorties are often seen with AIM-9Gs fitted. That said, Lt Simon Hargreaves had two AIM-9Ls fitted when intercepting Argentinean Boeing 707s recce aircraft; he was flying XZ460/26 which had an odd DSG patch on the intakes on both sides (scheme 4 top). From 1st May, 1,000lb free-fall bombs with the Mk.117 free-fall or Mk.114 retard tail fitted were used, some were fitted with the Mk.117-tailed boys had an extended air-burst fuse fitted to he nose. BL755 Cluster Bomb Units were also used during the war. ResKit do very good resin examples of all of these. The aircraft in the 1st May attack on Port Stanley and Goose Green airfields carried a mix of ordnance - I can provide lists of which carried what and was flown by whom. One SHAR FRS.1 ZA191/18 did carry a 1,000lb with LGB nose fitted one on occasion, relying on a Harrier GR3 to try and mark the target... it didn't work. As is mentioned above, aircraft from both carriers departing for Combat Air Patrol after 1 May often carried not just AIM-9Ls but a 1,000lb bomb with a the Mk.117 tail fitted to 'toss-bomb' from distance onto the airfield at Port Stanley as a nuisance factor. During the War, a few SHARs from Invincible did carry out Lepus flare drops. I believe a single flare was carried on the port outer pylon, with an AIM-9L being carried on the starboard outer pylon; if two Lepus flares were carried individually on the outer pylons. The FRS.1 could have used the 2-inch RN rocket pods which the GR.3s on Hermes had to use - their electrics were insulated unlike the RAF's GR.3's usual Matra 155 rocket pods - but, as far as I know, they did not use these during the conflict or on exercise until 1983; they would have been carried on the outer pylons. ResKit also do good 2-inch rocket pods. I hope that helps. If you need more information and some ideas to improve the Kinetic kit, please PM me with your direct email and I'll wing some things over to you. Good luck, have fun! Nick
  14. Thank you Jack and John. I have a feeling this project is going to be one where the end results are more a case of "Prove me wrong" rather than "Here's the proof I'm right"! Cheers Nick
  15. Thank you Jack. Photo would be helpful, if you can work the oracle. Fingers knotted. Nick
  16. Thanks everyone. Managed to track down an Asuka Sherman, in Frome - big thanks to Bob for that link. I've pitched in for the Asuka Firefly 1C from Frome Model Centre too, as they had one. Depending on whether I now need it - answers quickly please! - I may call them tomorrow to cancel it. The BIG question now is how to find a Dragon M4 Normandy kit... Hen's have more teeth it seems and the £151 being asked on a certain south American river is taking the Michael out for a long walk indeed. Web trawling has drawn a big blank. @ Das Abteilung - very interested in the spares you have to offer, I'll drop you a PM tomorrow, need to go and get dinner cooked just now! Best wishes to one and all. Nick (This is my first foray into armour since 1983 when I finished a Tamiya 88mm and half-track combo... I've still got it somewhere! So, please be patient with me!)
  17. Thanks Bob. Whose resin and metal parts did you use? It would be good to see a photo of your Firefly 1C!
  18. @ Das Abteilung - the info I have on the RSG's is very limited and comes from what I have found on websites, including images of Dan Taylor's 3CLY Sherman model and one of the RSG's Fireflies - a Vc? provided below - and at, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Scots_Greys https://www.warlinks.com/armour/4th_armoured/chapter_5.php http://www.desertrats.org.uk/bde/4thABorg.htm http://www.desertrats.org.uk/orgarmour.htm#RSG http://www.desertrats.org.uk/bde/4thAB1944.htm - mentions... "The Brigade was were re-equipped with new Shermans, unfortunately not diesel ones, and it got their first 17 Pounder Sherman Firefly tanks. These were mostly the original Wright Whirlwind engined model, and each regiment was equipped with having twelve 17 Pounder tanks for the first time, which was enough for one for each troop. During this time 3rd CLY formed an additional 'D' Squadron on 9th March 1944. On 3rd June 1944, the Brigade received its orders to move to the marshalling areas in preparation for the Normandy Invasion and 3rd CLY move to the Marshalling Area some 8 miles to the North of Portsmouth, while 44th RTR moved from Worthing to Portsmouth, on 4th June. Meanwhile, 4th RHA, under the command of I Corps, at this time, had boarded their landing ships on 5th June at Tilbury docks." From this, any clarification you can provide on Sherman types is welcomed, especially for the Firefly in photo below. If you had to make an RSG Sherman which kit would you use, Tasca/Asuka or Dragon? @ Bob - from this your thoughts on the above photo are probably correct, the likely location being Navarion Road, West Worthing from here: http://www.desertrats.org.uk/assoc/locationmaps/4th_armoured_brigade.htm#4AB Thanks once more, Nick
  19. Thank you for all your help so far gentlemen. Ant, I'm looking forward to what you may be able to find in the book when you make it home, the RSG's drawing sounds helpful. Of course the Asuka/Tasca M4A1 is not available on their website. Does anyone know of any UK distributors? Thanks once more, best wishes. Nick
  20. Hi, Looking for some information about the tanks the 4th Armoured Brigade's Royal Scots Greys used after landing in Normandy on 7 June. Most references mention Sherman IIs and Firefly VCs, which 1/35th scale kits are the best for those, are there any aftermarket decals which would help and what are the must have aftermarket items to improve the kit? Any build articles in magazines would also be welcomed. Thank you. I've searched Hannants' site and Star decals cover the Greys' Sherman IIIs in Italy but nothing for Normandy. All photo references/books would also be welcomed - again www searches show their tanks in Italy but very few in Normandy. All help and advice gratefully received. Many thanks Nick
  21. Oops. N3249 was with 610 Sqn when lost. P9434 was almost certainly GR-U from late May when it was delivered to the Sqn on the day it’s predecessor as U was lost - N3290. To clarify above comments in this thread, from all the evidence it seems fairly certain N3248 was GR-L, not N3192; and that N3268 was GR-Y, later QJ-Y, as Tuck’s log book confirms. It’s not unknown for ORB entries to not quite tally. Hope that helps. Nick
  22. The fin device is an anti-spinning parachute guard, "a spin recovery parachute was proposed for early examples as the spinning characteristics of the new heavier monoplanes were still unfamiliar." On the cable, I believe there was a tensioner on the fin aerial mounting, and a smaller tensioner at the top of the pole, visible though not clearly in most photos. By the way, the tail number 19 is white not yellow as sometimes depicted. Annoyingly, while I have many photos of K9942 at the RAF Museum Cosford, I have none of the pole aerial mast of fin tip aerial attachment because I'm modelling a later Spitfire Mk.1a. Hopefully someone else her on BM can help. Have fun with the Spitfire! Nick
  23. Hi Bill, thanks for the clarification. This lockdown must be getting to me. The reason I asked the question is that I could have sworn your post said "..BOTH the IFF aerials from tailplane to fuselage AND the early pole mast..." rather than what it actually says "..BOTH the IFF aerials from tailplane to fuselage AND the early radio cable from mast tip..." To see both the IFF aerials and the early pole aerial mast on the same Spitfire Mk.1 would be unique. Right, if that's what my eyes are doing with words, I'd best put my scalpel and model making tools down! Nurse! Take care all. Nick
  24. It is indeed a very good book, excellent quality photos. Bill, just been through it 3 times but not seen the photo of the pole aerial plus IFF. Which page is that on? Thanks Nick
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