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The version used is the Mk.10L, that's the same used on some Hawks, the Gripen, the AMX. Not sure if the ones used by pakistan have any special feature. A standard Mk.10L is shown here:
http://www.seatejectcolor.com/seat/sedili/...mk10/mk-10L.htm
And a better picture is at the bottom of this page:
http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/Aircraf...e/HAWK/HAWK.htm
Aeroclub has one in 1/48, coded EJ417 in their catalogue.
Giorgio
Actually, i believe the Pakistani's used the earlier Mk.10 seat with the big head box which isn't that one shown by Giogio. I won't be able to confirm until I get home but the 4+ book on the MiG-19/Shenyang F6 shows this.
Hopefully others will be able to help out.
Wez
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No, the submerged one is all the same plane, is there something odd about it?
Daniel.
I think it's in the markings of the Defence Academy (or one of its predecessors) at Shrivenham. It was probably originally an RAF aircraft that had become a Maintenance airframe and allocated to Shrivenham but "parented" (owned and maintained), by RNAS Yeovilton - hence the VL tailcode.
Hopefully somebody will be able to confirm.
Wez
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Although the Navy don't like it when the Chinooks which ooze oil from everywhere getting the flight deck oily.
You know what to say to that though dontcha?
"Tough titty fish-face"
Wez
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After reading a recent thread about what will finally be deployed from the new british carriers, I got thinking about AAC Apaches being taken to sea.
If this happened and they were repainted, what colour would they be? EDSG perhaps?
Let's speculate!
Likewise the Chinooks when they deploy onto the carriers - they retain their usual colours.
The helicopters like the Apache and Chinook are not for want of a better description, permanent members of the air group, they are temporary residents and can be drawn from anywhere within their respective fleets. Repainting them just to go to sea is not a viable option.
Anyway, green is a fairly good camouflage colour against the sea anyway.
Wez
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Hari,
The current issue of Model Aircraft Monthly (Vol7/Iss 10 - Oct 2008) has an article on modelling these aircraft by Ernie Lee - it has side profiles but no top and bottom views, it does howver have two top views of Ernie's model from which you may be able to deduce something.
HTH
Wez
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It sure isnt RAM!!
No airplane in the world that slings crap off its wings has a need for RAM!!
It is an anti corrosion tape that is fitted around the leading edge of the intake. Sort of a rubbery neoprene feel to it.
HTH
Mike
Anti erosion tape is more likely given that a large proportion of the airframe is composite. We used to use blade tape on sections of Trabant (sorry Puma) blades for that purpose and it had a brownish hue.
Wez
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Hmmm, that airliners.net photo sure does seem to show that its LAG. Now would the other seemingly-painted panels be Medium Sea Grey-ish, or are they just very dull natural metal??
Trying to be helpful here, probably the latter.
As you can appreciate, the Lightning's airframe is made from a multitude of materials and they all weather differently - witness the stainless steel intake ring, exhaust fairing and panels under the wing roots - they are still bright and more highly polished compared to the rest of the airframe, likewise some other panels are considerably darker metal.
It's likely that any panels that were painted would have been painted with one of the more commonly available colours - by this time I think only the V-Bombers were still using MSG so I'd say your choices are more likely to be LAG (matt or gloss - different tonal variation), Dark Sea Grey (possible because it was about this time-frame that the DSG/DG camouflage was being introduced to the fleet and EVEN the Lightning has SOME inter-changeable panels - possible but maybe not likely), or even, at a last gasp Dark Admrialty Grey as used in the cockpits of later Lightnings. If anything I think LAG is more likely.
Not forgetting silver/aluminium paint of course.Regards
Wez
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Here you go, another ex Binbrook resident offering an opinion.
I know that if we needed a replacement they used to come painted silver and have a manufacture date going back to the sixties (I was there 83-87).
They could be a git to fit if the cables had'nt been strapped tight enough. The gaps between them were then sealed with a brown sealent called PRC.
Paul........
Aah PRC! Fekkin awful stuff!!! It makes me larf when you see the debate about raised or incised panel lines when you know for a fact that on the real aircraft it's a bead of PRC 1/4" proud of the surface!
Back to the Lightning - I KNOW these things should be a metal colour, that was my response when I saw the initial post however, on looking at the photo in Armadillos link I have to say it doesn't look silver or metallic in any form of its incarnations - it does however look like gloss light aircraft grey (for the reasons both I and Doug alluded to earlier), on this particular aircraft at this particular time for some unfathomable reason! I'm not disputing it SHOULD be a silvery colour of some sort (aluminium/steel/whatever), it just doesn't look like it to me
We used to get replacement panels turn ip for the Wokka that were supposed to be YZC or RAF colours but quite often turned up in US Army Helo Drab - just because it should be doesn't mean it is.
Another interesting thing is the code letter is red, not black like it should be.
This is a colourful jet.
Regards
Wez
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Hi Paul,
Looks light aircraft grey to me when compared to the white of the roundel and tail! Also look at the uniformity of the colour down it's entire length then compare it the the aircrafts natural metal finish and the tonal changes where the light is high and low, it looks painted to me and it also looks to dark to be white.
Doug.
Yup, that's exactly what I thought!
Wez
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Derek
It's nice to get confirmation from an ex Binners resident!, I was beggining to think that no one had read my post on the colour of the cable ducting
.Regards,
John.
John,
It's not that I didn't read your earlier post - I thought they were metal ducts but but looking at the photo in Armadillos link, that cable duct definitely looks grey IMO. What convinces me of this is the way it looks as though its one single colour from front to back, the way apart from shadow there's no tonal variation in the duct and finally, the way it well, looks grey to me
It was because of this I asked whether any were made in fibreglass as I wouldn't have expected the duct to have been painted during this time frame.
Apart from possibly corrosion control i can't think of any reason why it should be painted.
Wez
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No doubt the spine is white, but I think the original post is asking about the cable duct. With your link though the cable duct does indeed appear to be painted. Grey perhaps - or should that be gray??
No, GREY it is - not white for sure. Are these cable ducts metal or fibreglass? If they're fibreglass it could just be the natural colour of the resin/gelcoat.
Interesting that, never seen that before.
Wez
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They were both 'under the table' show deals, the C-119 was £10 (It's about 15-20 @ retail I think, easily found) and I don't rightly recall what the Nord was, about the same I think.
I've never seen the Noratlas at retail before so I suppose it's OOP now, I snapped it up when I saw it as I generally go for the unusual or rarely seen kits.
I've got a Noratlas if someone wants it - a reasonable offer plus postage within the UK will secure. Mine's in the earlier (but not earliest) Heller boxing.
Wez
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I picked up a Hobbyboss MiG-15bis today and I must say it looks really nice. In fact, for the price (I paid $9.99) it looks REALLY nice!
Only problem that immediately stands out is the completely blank instrument panel, with no detail or decal.
Thanks for that Vultures1 - I thought that would be the case as they are in the Easy Build range and this was the approach HB took with the Sabres. It's no big deal to me as I would have added that detail anyway if I was making the KP kit for instance (it too is a bit rudimentary in this area but then again it's a product of its time).
Hopefully, some enterprising resin manufacturer (Pavla for instance) will come out with some upgrades for these kits.
Thanks again for the heads up, I'm really looking forward to the 1/48th MiG-17.
Regards
Wez
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For the Flogger you could try the Italeri/Zvesda kits - not brilliant but best of a bad bunch, some work definitely required. You can mix and match the MiG 23 and 27 to make most versions.
The Revell F104 is a good kit - on a par with the Hasegawa one, it's not the Esci kit repopped.
I like the look of the Italeri A-10, no idea of how accurate it is.
Sabres - Fujimi the best followed by the Hobbycraft/Academy one. The new Hobby Boss easy build sabres are nice too - they all feature the later wheels, if you want earlier wheels the Heller kits were exquisite mouldings. Hasegawa is the way to go for an F86D
Heller do the best Mirage III/5 although it is a seriously old kit.
I'd love to see an up to date, state of the art Mirage III/5 series and a Flogger.
Wez
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Thanks for the link Paul, it certainly looks better than the SMER/Heller/Airfix offering from first glances - time will tell.
Not overly happy about the split fusealge -we'll have to see how that goes.
Best Regards
Wez
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OK,
Here's my two-penneth worth
The Mighty 'ood - nuff said.
C Class cruisers
Fairmile D MGB/MTB's
Flower Class Corvettes
C Class destroyers (HMS Cavalier anybody)?
T Class Submarines
Illustrious/Implacable Aircraft Carriers - ooh! Armoured Decks - there's a thing
Tribal Class Frigates - a Navy Days favourite
HMS Blake/Tiger - more Navy Days favourites - bought the Airfix kit after wandering around the ship, I was SO dissapointed it didn't have the helicopter hangar!
Finally, I'm torn between HMS Tiger - the battlecruiser or HMS Ocean the assault ship.
Tiger because it showed a fine standard of gunnery at Jutland in spite of being crewed by defaulters and misfits.
Ocean because we deployed on there with RAF SH (the mighty Wokka) and totally showed the RN how SH SHOULD be done!
Wez
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Showing in the New Arrivals at Hannants
1/72 MiG 15UTI Linky
1/72 MiG15Bis Linky
1/48 MiG17 Fresco C Linky Rinky Doo!
The MiG15's are in the Easy Build series but if they're as good as the Sabre's that's no bad thing.
Been lookin' forward to the MiG17 though - got one on order, got to be better than the SMER/Heller/Airfix example I gave up trying to beat into submission many years ago
Wez
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Hannants are showing it as a New Arrival - £19.99 a pop! LINKY
Better be good at that price - think I'll wait and see before I commit!
Wez
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That's easy - phut, phut wheee.......crash ( x9 ) - Power to weight ratio of a three legged asthmatic tortoise
That'd be about right, all the old Jag boys I used to work with always referred to the Jag reheat as "constant thrust - variable noise"!
Wez
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The twin rocket rails aren't the same as those on the Spitfire/Sea Fury, etc - they look like this:
(with acknowledgements to 'Jeff' Jefford and his splendid book on 45 Sqn).
Apologies for the poor quality, but the originals are not the best. However, you can see that the RPs appear to be arranged in a sort of 'under and over' affair. It reminds me a little of the triple-rail LAU-88 launcher for the AGM-65, sometimes seen on the A-10/F-4/F-16, but minus the lower launcher rail.
Wow!
Thanks for posting the pictures - yes, they're quite different aren't they? I wonder if the main pylon is similar to the bomb pylon...
Wez
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Managed to pick up a somewhat dusty box containing the Airbus Beluga today whilst on hols.....
Now...do I ebay it? do I build it OOB? or do I Whiff it?
Suggestions please, bearing in mind decals could be interesting?
(No I will NOT paint it up as Ferrari's FI team transport!)
A few years ago my then next door neighbour used to work for Aerostructures - the part of BAe (afore it became BAE Syssums).
He was working on aproject to provide the RAF with Beluga's - the plan was that these would have ramps that would allow the world-wide deployment of Wokka's without the need to break them down beyond taking the blades off.
So my vote is to Whif it in RAF markings with a couple of Wokka's or even Trabants ready to be stuffed inside.
Wez
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Cheers chaps...the Beau is one of my all time faves so i'm looking forward to seeing Wez get to grips with it.
Edgar...neat drawing...I think that's the clearest one I've ever seen for the rail arangment...
Zeke,
It was gonna be a slow burner but I think it moved up the starting grid - I will post piccies when I do it!
Regards
Wez
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Lorks a lumme, Zeke! that is stunning!
Wez, i think the Academy F6 might have double rockets
Checked-has a 3 tier rack x4
Zeke
I have to agree, that is fabulous, the weathering is fantastic - absolutely spot on!
Keith,
Yes please - PM inbound!
Edgar,
You're a star, a font of knowledge, an absolute treasure - are you sure you're not the national archives? Top geezer
Thanks to all for your help and advice.
Regards to all
Wez
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Hi Folks,
This one's a slow burner that I'll eventually get around to.
I want to do the Tamiya Beaufighter TF.X as a post-war aircraft used in Malaya by 45 Sqn RAF. My reading of the Firedog operations suggest that rockets were the weapon of choice but the pictures I've seen show that these aircraft used twin-tiered rocket rails rather than the single tier and mounting panel arrangement that comes with the kit.
Does anybody know of a source for the twin tiered rocket rails themselves (the rockets aren't a problem), failing that, a good set of plans for the rails and pushing my luck here, the illustrations for said rails from the AP?
I'd like to do this option 'cos I think it'll make the already brutal lines of the mighty Beau look even more aggressive - that and the fact I really like post-war colour schemes.
TIA
Wez
Not forgetting silver/aluminium paint of course.
Pakistan Shenyang/MiG-19
in Aircraft Cold War
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Ale,
As I thought, the Pakistani Shengyang F-6/MiG-19 were fitted with the type of seat as fitted to the early Hawks at least as late as the year 2000 - this shows up quite well in the photos in the 4+ book on the MiG-19 (invaluable reference if you can find it).
The early Martin-Baker Mk.10 had a bigger head box with fairings on the side of it, if you follow this Linky you can see the two seats and you'll get what I mean - the ones fitted were the ones referred to by Neomega as Mk. Xb.
HTH
Wez