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Certainly Robert: Modeldecal 88 - No.30/10-RE E.C.2/10 "Seine" in the blue scheme with earlier, high viz roundels or later, low viz ones (I'm planning on doing the high viz scheme Model Art 72/039 - 2-FE E.C.T.T.2/2 "Côte d'Or" Spa 65/Spa 94 markings on NMF; 2-LI E.C3/2 "Alsace" NMF; 10-SJ E.C.1/10 "Valois" in the blue scheme; 10-LE E.C.3/10 "Vexin" in the desert scheme - I'm planning on doing all of these Model Art 72/067 - 2-FA E.C.2/2 "Côte d'Or" Spa 57/Spa 65 markings in NMF - this is the one I'm planning on doing Berna Decals BD72-110 - No.19/5-OI E.C.2/5 "Île de France" in NMF; No.74/5-NJ E.C 1/5 "Vendée" also in NMF - I'm planning on doing both of these. Both the Model Art sheets have some alternative aircraft in the scheme's chosen. Hope this helps?

The DTU books are the holy grail of Mirage books but they were always pretty pricey when first published and remarkably scarce these days. The Duke Hawkins book is recent and is pretty good for the Mirage III/5/50 in general.

Reading my latest copy of the AMW magazine last weekend there's a good preview of the kit, some careful thought has gone into how the kit is constructed. Really looking forward to its arrival.

Great, thanks for signing up, I'll add your name to the list. Sorry Peter but Bordeaux-Merignac is too far north, it's not on the southern coast of France, likewise Mont de Marsan. I thought I'd covered this before but looking back, I hadn't clarified the point about France. Basically, this is for those states that essentially border the Med and the Adriatic and are included in Europe, plus poor old Portugal because it often gets left out. For France to stop it just being another French Fancy GB, it really means those departments in the l'Occitanie and Provence-Alps-Cote D'Azur as well as Corsica which would be eligible. Using my trusty Le Guide Officiel Camping Caravaning these are: Hautes-Pyrénées Haute-Garrone Ariège Pyrénées-Orient Aude Hérault Gard Bouches-du-Rhône Var Alpes-Maritimes

Just counted up the decal options I have for IIIC's (my least favourite version btw), I've got markings for 8 Adl'A options so I shall be needing a few of these.

I think Azur have announced a Battle, so the decals are likely to be for that. Airfix predictions: 1/72nd new tools Harvard IIb (I know Special Hobby do a version, I just want one where I can't mess it up based on a poorly made cut) Canberra B.2/6 Lightning F.1/3 Javelin Meteor FR.9 (which looks likely, based on the F.8's sprue shots) Hunter T.7 Lysander Firefly FR.5 Venom FB.4 F-84F 1/48th The aforementioned Bucc in the colours of the services that actually used it in anger...

I think that's what we all hope, that and it won't cost an arm, three legs and a kidney!

I'll take a look, I may have overlooked that, thanks Troy

@Chris Thomas is your man but as the others have said, more likely to be aluminium paint. I did read somewhere that initially this was just sprayed over the existing Ocean Grey/Dark Green/Medium Sea Grey scheme but weathered badly and ended up looking quite tatty. AFAIK, the only NMF Tempests may have been the Mk5 Srs 2 aircraft used by 501 Sqn/FIU for anti-diver ops but I've yet to see a photo to confirm.

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Are you sure? These sprue shots show small and large bore intakes, both types of aileron and canopy...

You and me both!

Hi Martin, No you didn't so I've added your name to the list. Your superb recent Greek RF-84F is an excellent example of the sort of aircraft I hoped to see in this GB. Thanks for signing up.

This would please me greatly, I'm not really a fan of the radar nosed MiG-19s, the colour schemes are rather limiting compared to the MiG-19S/Shenyang F-6. Good luck to CP though, I hope this MiG is a success so that they feel inclined to issue a MiG-19S.

Something Greek sounds eminently suitable Martin, thanks for signing up, your name's been added to the list. Room for more, anyone else want to join.

That's PRU Blue to the high demarcation used on 2ATAF aircraft

Good luck with completing this one, it deserves to get finished after all the effort you've put in.

Glad to see this one resurrected, good luck in your new thread.

Morning Dennis, the Canadair Sabres followed their NAA cousins in terms of wheel/speed brake bay interiors, the insides of the doors were IIRC, aluminium paint (I'm away from my references atm). Glad to see you've got the cockpit in black which is correct for an RAF Sabre, the armrests and headrest should, if memory serves me correctly, be a dark grey (but as I say, I'm away from my references so willing to be corrected). Nice to see the Heller kit getting some love, it's still got the best moulded wheels of any 1/72nd Sabre. The jet you've linked to has the Dark Green/Dark Sea Grey/PRU Blue (DG/DSG/PRU Blue), colour scheme with the high underside demarcation, this was typical of 2ATAF aircraft used in RAF Germany. 66Sqn were an Air Defence of Great Britain (ADGB) squadron which typically had their aircraft finished finished in DG/DSG/Silver (aluminium paint). Generally, ADGB jets had XD prefixed serial numbers while 2ATAF jets had the XB prefix, although there was some migration between the fleets it was usually a Germany jet going to the UK, not vise versa (I don't know of any XD serialled jet serving in Germany but I'm willing to be corrected on that too). 3Sqn were a 2ATAF sqn serving in Germany at the time and I believe they sent aircraft for the static review so your subject could be a 3Sqn jet. This would be very early on in 3Sqns use of the type and before the conversion from slat to hard wing leading edges. @Sabrejetis the man in the know.

Friends of ours in the Dordogne caught a packet with that lot last night, hailstones the size of tennis balls, completely smashed their roof tiles up with water flooding through the light fittings, greenhouse and caravan smashed to pieces, tree down across the pool and other trees down in the garden. A scene of utter devastation repeated all through their village. They're naturally heartbroken, they put so much effort into renovating the place but he's a stubborn Yorkshireman and won't be beaten, they will rebuild and recover. Glad to hear you've avoided such a catastrophe.

Glad you're getting to grips with this, the F-84F has always been one of my favourite subjects, especially when painted in the equivalent of RAF dark green /dark sea grey and PRU blue (the best RAF scheme next to DG/DSG/Black). Agree with the view that it's such an important type to NATO, wish there was a better 1/72 kit. FWIW, the Airfix kit is from the 1970s

I think you mean Danish, the Dutch never operated the Hun. I've found this which I did for an earlier thread on camouflaged French F-100's, ans is based upontranslating from the EM-37 book: "The idea to camouflage the Armée de l’Air’s (AdlA) F-100’s first appeared in 1971, the option chosen is to adopt the camouflage scheme in use with the USAF. The plan (65J40 367), providing the information of American F-100’s was given to Aérospatiale to (the responsible maintenance organisation for French F-100’s), to bring it in line with French specifications. The EMAA (General Staff of the AdlA), had been giving some consideration as whether to paint the rear section of the fuselage where paint adhesion was affected by the high temperatures in that area (this can be seen on camouflaged USAF F-100’s). On 21st January 1972 the EMAA directed that the current markings must be retained but their dimensions should be reduced in line with the standard adopted for camouflaged aircraft: 1. Height of numbers or letters – 24cm (reduced from 36cm). 2. Width of numbers or letters – 16cm (reduced from 24cm). 3. Line thickness – 4cm (reduced from 6cm). 4. Space between individual numbers and letters – 4cm (reduced from 6cm). 5. Width of the gap between features (e.g. the gaps between things like the codes 3 – IS for instance) – 8cm (reduced from 12cm). 6. The diameter of the roundels shall not exceed 36cm (yellow band not included). 7. Squadron insignia can be maintained if their maximum dimensions do not exceed 30cm. Aérospatiale at Bourges-Châteauroux proposed adopting the American camouflage scheme from 2nd March 1972 with the following exceptions: 1. The American paints are replaced by Celomar manufactured paints. 2. Door e.g access panel, security, instructions or special markings will be in the same dimensions as in the “normal” version and in English language (e.g. all of the stencils were the same size and type as those used on NMF aircraft and in English). 3. The markings will be applied as per the EMAA directive. 4. The titanium hot areas on the rear fuselage would not be painted. Aérospatiale estimated that painting each individual aircraft would take about a week. On 17th April 1972 it was ordered that all aircraft entering modification and IRAN programmes should also be painted in parallel, SNIAS (aka Aérospatiale), were directed to begin with aircraft No.160 which was obviously in the maintenance lines and that aircraft No.162 which was lingering from the 1971 IRAN programme all also be painted post incorporation of a technical order. The colours specified followed the American standards: Camouflage European 1: FS.34079 Forest Green FS.34102 Medium Green FS.36081 Dark Grey Notice, there is no underside colour mentioned here so I’m assuming it was intended they would retain NMF here. Camouflage South East Asia: FS.34079 Forest Green FS.34102 Medium Green FS.34219 Tan (I think this is a typo and should be FS.30219) FS.36622 Very Pale Grey" These shades are exactly the same as the USAF SEA scheme, I’ve never seen a camouflaged French F-100 in the European 1 scheme, only the SEA scheme, I would be fascinated to see one in the Euro 1 scheme if it did exist and if it didn’t, it would make a good WHIF. I think the important thing we should take from this is the paints were manufactured by Celomar in France and would have a different formulation than the US paints, therefore, as others have already stated, they are likely to weather differently and have a different appearance to their US counterparts. There is no mention of a pale blue grey undersides however, Modeldecal Sheet 69 which includes French F-100’s, gives the camouflage colours for Djibouti based aircraft as above for the upper surfaces but states the undersides are in a pale blue grey. Modeldecal were always meticulous in their research and had the assistance of some well-known French enthusiasts including Model Art Decal’s Jean-Pierre Desperez. A quick Google search reveals plenty of French F-100’s with blue-grey undersides (and also some with their hot parts painted). It makes sense to me that those aircraft operating in African skies had blue undersides to better blend in. In summary, French F-100’s began to receive camouflage as they went through IRAN maintenance and/or modification so it was a gradual process. They were camouflaged to the US pattern with exactly the same shades as specified in the US SEA scheme however, the paints were manufactured in France by Celomer and would have a different composition to the US paints so will have weathered differently. When the camouflage was applied the other marking were reduced in size and spacing but were generally retained in similar locations to previously. The stencil markings were retained in the same size and stile as those used on NMF aircraft and were in English language. At some point, F-100’s received a pale blue grey underside, this shade is not specified but can be seen in many photos. So the colours were based upon the USAF colours but the Djibouti based aircraft used a blue which we decided was very similar to RLM78 for their undersides. Google should be able to help you with pictures of how the French aircraft weathered differently.

I'm sure the Detail & Scale book has these.

I'd like to be able to offer advice but I'm away from my main reference, the EM37 book on the the F-100D/F in Armée de l'Air Service, shan't be able to consult until the end of the month at the earliest. During a previous discussion we established that a blue close to RLM78 was a good match for the underside blue (when the French changed from the light grey equivalent of the US shade).