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Not a fan of the song (never was), BUT... ...I think it's a great name for the GB!
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Right folks, we're doing well in the poll but our position is by no means certain, we need your votes.
If you haven't voted for this GB yet, please follow this link and vote for this GB
Thanks to all those that have voted so far
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10 hours ago, Enzo the Magnificent said:
I'm going to restrict myself to building from The Stash for this one (if it gets through the Bunfight). But that's not helping me in the slightest.
Spanish AV-8S. In memory of a wonderful detachment to Naval Station Rota in the late 80s.
Greek Mirage F1 Aegean Ghost scheme? How can anyone resist that?
Italian Fiat G91 Well... I've been waiting to build one of these for decades.
Italian F-104S In the late all grey scheme. Again, how can anyone resist that?
Regianne Re 2005 Sagittario... in 1/48 scale? How good will that look?
Great choices Enzo... ... build them all!
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Groundcrew used to have a sort of log card which recorded which units they were posted to, the dates of those postings and what qualifications they had, it was called an F4820 (usually just referred to as a 4820), I still have mine, maybe your dad has his?
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10 hours ago, Hockeyboy76 said:
I hate it when you get a Cranberries song stuck in your head...
.. In your head
In your head.
In your head.Do you have to let it Linger...???
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12 minutes ago, tempestfan said:
However, I believe there was some coordination and collaboration between both countries regarding maintenance and upgrades.
I always thought there was a lot of commonality between the European NATO users of the F-104 and the CF-104 but as time has passed I've realised there were also a lot of subtle differences, the avionics fits for a start, there were different sensor suites between the various nations so the cockpit layouts would be slightly different, likewise there was a difference in the cockpit layout between interceptor and ground attack optimised versions as shown in the Lock-On book (at that price I'm definitely keeping hold of it, it really is a good book). Engines and their associated exhaust nozzles are a difference I hadn't appreciated until lately too (I knew about the longer nozzles fitted to the F-104S but hadn't appreciated that the F-104G had longer as well as the short versions).
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8 hours ago, modelling minion said:
Even better, how about an F-86D and Mig-21F-13 on the same airfield, there are photos of this.
I'd expect the F-86 to have a better radar in spite of the age difference between the airframes!
Anyway, to the poll, if you haven't voted please go here to vote!
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1 hour ago, noelh said:
Some interesting points there @Andrew Patmore . It just goes to show that even when a squadron is equipped with 'new' aeroplanes. It doesn't mean they're pristine or new.
The 'mucky yellow' paint you mention is probably very similar to the yellow zinc chromate anti corrosion primer used by the US It's easy enough to mix up. It being just a dull yellow. Add a bit of black or green to almost any yellow and that's it.
You also mention rusty rivets. Well aluminium rivets don't rust obviously. I imagine you're referring to the black rings around rivet heads.
It's called fretting as was explained to me by an Aircraft Engineer when I asked about them on a very old and tired aeroplane. Essentially the very slight movement of the rivet in the hole over the years produces a black oxide powder. Definitely visible on your Dad's 5th hand Meteors.
Add to that the general build up of carbon from flying around the polluted air of 50s industrial England and you'd soon have a very scruffy jet.
Some rivets are steel and although they shouldn't rust they can although it would be very bad form to let them do so. Likewise fretting rivets (although it does happen, they would normally get dealt with pretty quickly lest they cause greater structural issues). Us aircraft engineers don't like loose skin panels. Sometimes the countersink may be slightly larger than the rivet head but that's usual, most of the metal bashers I worked with aimed for a perfectly flush finish even though they were allowed up to 0.010". Dirt will accumulate around raised rivets and those that aren't perfectly flush.
Andrew,
At the time your dad was in the mob, they were flush with manpower (National Service), so keeping aircraft clean was easier than when there weren't a large number of airmen to keep occupied (in order to stop them getting bored), also the gloss finish would help (although that would weather with age). It does look a bit worn on that jet.
That's the first time I've seen a 74 Sqn jet with the markings on the nacelle, thanks for sharing that. What's the serial number?
Any battery acid resistant paint would be gloss, fairly thick and should fill any of the gaps in the bay. Matt paint could potentially absorb the acid and you don't want it getting in the gaps.
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55 minutes ago, tempestfan said:
The Verlinden Lock On may also be worthwhile - I think it appeared ca. 1983 and so would probably cover the KLu birds in their twilight days.
The Verlinden book is great for Belgian Starfighters although much of the details would be applicable for Dutch F-104s. It's certainly worth getting if you see it.
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32 minutes ago, CliffB said:
Thanks Wez, yes that's very clear. My 728 Squadron, Sturgeon TT.2 should be fine then (Hal Far, Malta)
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Absolutely! Good luck with that!
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That may depend on what markings you're planning. The Dutch were early adopters of the F-16 and therefore early disposers of the F-104, it could be that that the late standard mods described apply to the Italian and Turkish F-104s so maybe the late mods don't apply to the Dutch F-104s.
I'm putting a call out to Martin @RidgeRunner, he knows a thing or two about Starfighters!
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2 hours ago, CliffB said:
Sorry if this has been asked before @Wez, but what's the situation re. foreign forces based in and/or operating in these Southern European countries (for example, you've mentioned the defence of Malta)?
Thanks
Foreign based are fine providing they are actually based there, for instance 56 Sqn on Lightnings were based in Cyprus so that's acceptable, but 56 Sqn with Phantoms only went there on detachment e.g. APC, so that wouldn't be acceptable. Does this help?
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The poll is open!
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40 minutes ago, Moggy said:
Later on the French Air Force painted the aircraft in a fetching South East Asia camo.
Some of them got a shark mouth painted. Later on they got really grubby - making for a more interesting model
After I'm finished with the IAF ones I will definitely be doing a grubby shark mouth-ed Super Mystere
Cheers, Moggy (Special Hobby 1/72 Super Mystere aficionado)
Not seen a shark mouthed Super Mystère, shark mouthed F-100Ds yes, the air frames are similar but not the same.
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Giampiero,
PM me your email address and I'll send you what I have if you're interested.
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36 minutes ago, trickydicky210 said:
Just received the latest AMW which comes with a free 2023 calendar
The 12 images are nothing new and all in the current range:
Anson
HMS Fearless
1/72 Meteor F8
Do17
Dambuster
Austin K2/Y
1/24 Spitfire ix
Bugatti Chiron
Tempest
1/24 Harrier
He111
1/48 Buccaneer
Yes, it's fair to say there's no giveaways from the calendar.
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20 hours ago, RidgeRunner said:
I’m looking forward to the eclectic mix of types and markings
That's what I'm looking forward to!
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Modeldecal did them for the 1977 season aircraft (sheet 46 IIRC), but those were 1/72nd scale, I have them and can send you a scan of the instructions if that would help?
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Hello all, the time for voting for next years Group Builds is fast approaching, the poll opens at 0001 GMT on the 1st of November, please don't forget to vote for this GB.
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28 minutes ago, Ray S said:
Yep, downscaled 1/72 Javelin will do for me!
Variant(s): 1/72 EE Lightning F.1/F.1A/F,2/F.3
I will be happy with those.
Ray
Ooh! Me too! I forgot about the Lightnings!
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Gorillaz featuring a certain Paul Simonon and Mick Jones...
...followed by a certain Mr Mick Jones and the Damned's Tony James...
...followed by a latter day Jones Strummer and Mick Jones effort...
...then all three of them together (this song is as relevant now as it was in 1978)...
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18 hours ago, trickydicky210 said:
If you could name only 4 new kits for 2023 in the following categories:
1 in 1/48 upscaled
1 in 1/72 downscaled
1 variant of an existing release
1 completely new tool but linked or similar to other previous new tools ( ie Tiger Moth, then Chipmunk, maybe another trainer?)
My guesses…..
Upscaled 1/48 SeaKing
Downscaled 1/72 Chipmunk
Variant 1/24 Spitfire Mk VIII
Similar Type: 1/48 Harvard
Ooh! I'll play!
Upscaled: 1/48 Vampire T.11
Downscaled: Head says 1/72 Hunter F.4, heart says Javelin
Variant: 1/48 RAF Buccaneer (come on, they took it to war unlike the Pugwash Flying Circus, the RAF version should have been the initial release)!!
Similar Type: 1/72 Harvard IIb
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29 minutes ago, franky boy said:
It’s just a bit limited run. The surface and other details are really nice. Just put it down for a couple of days if it gets too much.
I'd say that's a common misconception about SH kits, these are not short run kits, they're meant to be long run kits the same as any of the major manufacturers however, because SH started as a short run enterprise, its just that their design process is still getting there (they improve immensely with each new kit).
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Southern Europe GB 10 Jun-1 Oct 2023
in Future Group Builds
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