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Dave Fleming

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  1. The only thing that surprised me was pink on a PRIV, but without looking into the history of that particular airframe
  2. I'd put the variation down to it being underground for 50 years, it looks like the blue has chalked quite a bit
  3. For comparison, these are the chips that Nick Millman posted before PRUPinkBlue-vi by Dave Fleming2, on Flickr
  4. INteretsing artifact posted by Wingleader on their FB page - relic from X4784, portion of the trim tab showing PRU blue painted over PRU pink
  5. I suspect we'll see both - maybe even in one kit, but there's scope for both a separate (HAR 3 in 'normal' yellow, Falkland's and Prince William markings; HC4 in Falklands, Former Yugoslavia and Gulf War markings for example
  6. Thanks @Andy Fletcher , gives another option!
  7. Hi Paul, It's mentioned in the book regarding a sortie on 4th may 1941 by Fl Lt Taylor, where he broke out of a cloud layer to find himself 150 feet from a group of Bf109s. the 109s didn't see him so he droppe d back into the cloud. the pilot credited the lack of reaction to the pale pink camo being tried operationally for the first time. (For attribution of that, you would need to ask Andrew Fletcher, but it's worth noting that the aircraft was Type G R7059, which was just delivered to PRU on 1st May 1941, It's also the PR Type G that's most photographed! I think Andy is on BM, I'll tag him. @Andy Fletcher
  8. Thanks - I'd been looking for the books but they are like hen's teeth and just as expensive!
  9. This may be the wrong place, but still on the recce Spitfire theme, I picked up the Osprey book on the Spitfire Photo-recce Units of WW2 (https://www.ospreypublishing.com/uk/spitfire-photorecce-units-of-world-war-2-9781472854612/). Excellent book with some really interesting pictures I'd never seen before, including shots that fill in the blanks on PR1A markings (Type B upper surface roundels and almost Type D fuselage ones! Time to re-visit that one - the preview on Amazon shows these photos) and a 541 Sqn PRX in D day markings. It does raised a couple of interesting questions re the pale schemes used on PRU aircraft in 1941/2 (It says first operational use of the pink scheme was in May 1941) and seems to make a distinction in the illustrations between the Camotint/Sky early PR1s and the colour used on the PR1G in 41/42, which it describes as ''pale green/almost white" (Also ties in with reports that the Benson and St Eval Flights had aircraft (described as standard fighter Spitfires, but probably PR1G) with 'pinkish or greensih white' low level schemes into 42. (RAF Historical Society Seminar 1991*). So whilst the PR Pink aircraft were used, it seems that the 'green' scheme stayed in service too rather than being replaced. It's that description of the green version as an 'almost white' or 'greenish white' that intrugies me - anyone know if there is any documentation on that as being a separate or developed colour (A lighter shade of Sky?), or are we just looking at a casual observer's description of Sky (or faded Sky)? Any thoughts? @Paul Lucas I recall you looked at this in your Battle over Britain book, but i can't recall if you touched on it in Colour Conundrums? * https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/documents/research/RAF-Historical-Society-Journals/Journal-10-Seminar-Photo-Recce-in-WWII.pdf
  10. Worth mentioning #1 and #4 are the same airframe repainted - which makes the colours on AX-? more intriguing as it's obviously been repainted (Some sources suggest that AX-? was White 9 or Yellow 2 (#2) - Yellow 2 may have been the F that was seen in overall sand with RAF markings but a swastika on the tail The colours on KJ-? are a bit of a mystery - it's one of three captured 109Fs that have a very dark colour (The others EY - and GL-?) There are lots of photos of Yellow 2 on Tinus le Roux's wonderful SAAF Pilots site https://biltongbru.wixsite.com/ww2-saaf-heritage (I have about 46 of Yellow 2, although many are duplicate or near duplicates) e.g. https://saafww2photographs.yolasite.com/tom-meek-1.php
  11. I suspect it's just a vinyl sticker (or even a paper one to preserve the coating ) and will be as transient as the 602 Squadron Tornado F3 or the tiger striped Sea King HAR 3 and Merlin HC3. The honours board might be a replacement panel
  12. It’s a bit squint. Like I put it on! 🙂
  13. I suspect we might see a Phoenix inside the lift jet intake cover for tomorrow’s reformation but nothing external . i did always think it a useful co-incidence that the official ‘Lightning Force’ marking was not dissimilar to 617s badge.
  14. When I did it I used laminated cuts of plastic card cut to rough shape then sanded in
  15. I have an old article on converting the Dominie to a Series 1. the biggest issue is removing the electronics fairing
  16. Got a photo? Could be the periscope for the middle cockpit on the trainer variant and the fairings for the rear cockpit with the view holes in them?
  17. Not thinking so much o using captured stocks, but using that as the basis for a developed colour. The thought was painting in a 'sky type' colour for a reason, rather than a strangely coloured version of RLM 76;
  18. There is a photo on the Print Scale decal sheet - like you, I don't see why the upper wings would not also have the stripes at leats initially
  19. Possibly 212 for their PR Spitfires? Paul's report of the light green Sky colour being painted over 'normal' RLM65 contains some specific information (Reports of colours in the reports/documents I've seen can best be described as variable - some are very good, some very colloquial( WW1 ones are even more so!) - this seems to be one of the former). I can see the argument for binders and different pigment mixes for RLM76 aircraft, , but why would an early/mid-war Ju88 be painted in any variant of RLM 76?
  20. Would the Vokes filter fitted to the PRIV be the same as the one fitted to the fighters? The Vokes filter was designed to have a larger oil tank, so I think it should have been able to contain the PR oil tank without modification It certainly looks the same when you compare photos and the drawings in the attached thread Dave (thinking the Airfix Vc might be a better start for a tropical PRIV)
  21. And I made this thought! https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/36403-pr-aircraft-low-flying-scheme/&do=findComment&comment=389638
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