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Posts posted by Dave Fleming
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The 'crossmarking' between 3 Sqn GR7s and the SHARs was fairly short lived and little publicised

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Do you know what time period/system you want to portray?
They varied over time
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and someone's nicking Hunters. Tangmere's F.5 has disappeared, and Farnborough's F.51 has gone to Ireland
probably the MOD - the ETPS has taken a Hunter T bird on lease.
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QRA birds would be fully armed - 4 x AIM9, 2x or 4x Sparrow or Skyflash (The J used the former longer than regu;lar RAF F4s) and either a centre pod of the SUU-23 gun pod)
One point worth mentioning is that when not on QRA, the Js rarely carried the wing tanks
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All this leads me, still, to believe that the bigger, XVIII, rudder was a post-war mod, which was retro-fitted to some (but not all) F.R.XIVs, and it was found to be necessary on the contra-prop 21, to counteract the fin offset.
Yep, I would agree with that. Timescale would appear to be about 1947/48.
Just to throw a cat amongst the pigeons, photos of 17 Squadron's mk XIVs in Japan in the Lucas book on post-war RAF Fighters Overseas show HIGH BACKED mk XIVs fitted with the enlarged rudder. Interestingly, these appear to be a single colour - perhaps confirming them as a recent retro-fit.
One thing I've never seen is how much wider this later rudder should be. (Post to trailing edge)
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There might well have been a mod., but I haven't found it. Photographs don't bear out John's theory; No.2 Squadron's F.R.XIVEs, photographed in Gatow, 1946, still have the standard XIV rudder, with the small horn. The only clear photos, that, so far, I've been able to find, of XVIIIs, (but taken around 1948/50,) do have the bigger rudder & the deeper horn, but the specs., for the fin, and rudder, areas, for all marks of XIVs(including the high-backed) & XVIII, in the "Spitfire bible," are identical, and I believe that this could only be true, if the XVIII fin/rudder was altered at a later stage.
Edgar
I looked into this one a few years back, and it's one area that 'The Bible' is incomplete on. They mention testing of the enlarged rudder on the XIV/XVIII but not it's introduction. I beleive they were retrofitted to some XIVes - I'll dig out a picture of a 602 Squadron one along side some mk 21s where you can clearly see the larger 'horn' (oo-err missus)
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Incidentally the HARSIG's T10 canopy was manufactured from a plastic coke bottle.....
And had already had a life as a 1/24th GR7 before being converted for a second time.
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Additionally, on the 21, only, the horn was made deeper, which took a small amount out of the fin.
Was the same not also true of most low backed XIVs and also mk 18s? I'm sure that's what John Adams said
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Another way of spotting the 100% LERX aircraft are the two little intakes on top of the fuselage. This is due to the original intakes on the leading edge of the wing being faired over by the larger LERX (see Wills pics).
Except so far the GR9s with the 65% LERX have the little intakes added......
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1116604/L/
Incidentally, the reasons for not re-fitting with 100% LERx are cost and operational need - the LERX was developed to add turning/manouvrability
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There weren't many, mainly experimental (IIRC only the late mark Seafires had them as standard)
mk 14, mk 21, mk 22s and a single mk 24 (PK684) all carried them at various times
You could use the contraprop from the Airfix Seafire kit with the mk 22/24 kit
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Don't forget Lightning wings have a blunt trailing edge.
yeah, but they have SOME aerofoil!!
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It LOOKs like a flow line, so I suspect it's due to not enough time in the mould.
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Not sure if anyone's mentioned this, but the Airfix F1a/F3 suffers from a broken back,
And plank like wings
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My father has co-written several books on the FAA. I'll scan a couple of pics for you & send them in a day or so.
Hadn't realised that, well flicked tomes in this house!
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And you can do an armed one on anti-MauMau operations in Kenya
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The original Frog release was from Hasegawa tooling. Frog then made their own tooling copied from Hasegawa mouldings. I suspect it is the latter that was issued in Revell boxes.
This one
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Revell-BAC-Lightning...1QQcmdZViewItem
Is the Novo/Frog mould and was released along with a batch of other ex-Frog kits (Shackleton, Sea Vixen etc)
Hasegawa revised their tooling in the late 80s/early 90s to include some additional parts (cockpit IIRC) - didn';t do anything about the shape errors on the fuselage.
Ironic that the best small scale Lightning is the Tamyia one in 1/100th, also released by Revell, then the Revell in 1/144th!
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Does it have the canopy mould flaw many on ARC are frettting over?
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They are deploying to Waddington for an exercise - 6 of them I beleive
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Copied from a post on ARC I saved for future reference:
The official colours are as follows:
Overall: BS381C no. 629 Camouflage (Barley) Grey.
Cockpit is BS381C no. 632 Dark Admiralty Grey.
Leading and trailing edge flap interiors: FS595B 36280 (Slightly lighter than RAF Ocean Grey).
Intake Flap interior: BS381C no. 626 Camouflage (Barley) Grey.
Intakes (Aft of intake flap - Inside intake ducting): FS595B 26492.
Radome: FS595B 36314 Flint Grey (This is supposedly an FS equivalent to Barley Grey, however looking at the real aircraft it appears to have a slight brownish tint), possibly BS381C no. 626 with a "dash" of Dark Earth
Also of note is the canopy tint, Johnsons Clear with a dash of Tamiya Smoke should be a good match
HTH
Richard
To give credit to the originator, this came from Rob Monfea, who works at BAESYSTEMS at Warton and was first posted by him on the IPMS UK forum.
It was then posted in various other forums, usually by me!!
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Wing L/E looks dodgy. I wonder if this is one of the products that came out of one of the incarnations of 'Final Touch'?
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Mmm, Waveny class would be an interesting kit (and plenty of sales scope in the US!!)
If anyone likes the idea of another Lifeboat, then Langley do an albeit more expensive one
http://www.langleymodels.co.uk/acatalog/Sh...ngley__111.html
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So what sort of weaponry can we put on it? :-)
I quite fancy a What If Coastal patrol boat - or maybe a Police Launch
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Excellent in-box review on ARC
http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index....p;#entry1043346
That canopy opening thing is just SOOOOOO funny (as a confirmed canopy closer) - last time I recall DIY parts in a mainstream kit was the Fujimi A-4B
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And they won't let them paint 'Royal Navy' on the side of the aircraft.

Interesting Harrier pic from the RAF website
in Real Aviation
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Indians didn't want them, so they will all be sold off for scrap/museums/ebay etc
One is being restored to flying condition in the US by an ex-USMC test pilot, I have the link to their website somewhere