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  1. I love these discussions! 2 alternative approaches: Imagine you take a real WW2 Messerschmitt and, using a fantastical yet to be invented device, reduce it (including the pigment particles in the paint) in size by a factor of 72. You place the aeroplane on your desk. Is this the experience you seek? Or, imagine, using a fantastical yet to be invented device, you increase yourself in size by a factor of 72. You now stand 400ft in the air and view your surroundings and Messerschmitt like a pilot on short finals. Is this the experience you seek? (Tongue firmly in cheek, I just think the imagination and inner child has a role to play here 😉)
  2. Absolutely real, she even floated and indeed made it half way across the world! Yes agreed, the French ships take tumblehome to a whole new level. I very nearly went for one of these when I was weighing up options for "project insanity" - the original plans are freely downloadable as well as the French authorities released them all for free some years ago.
  3. Thank you - they were fun to design. Top as fitted, simplified from the original (middle) as I hadn't allowed enough room in the casemates (over thick walls and floors a bit mislocated). The 3" gun is below.
  4. 3 months on and Peresviet can be considered "launched" (nb - this model is never going near the water!) and fitting out. I think I have now exceeded the length of time it took HM Dockyard Portsmouth to build the actual full size Dreadnought but I am still well ahead of the Baltiskiyy Zavod who build the full size Peresviet and in fairness there is only one of me. All in all, I am learning a lot as everything I do is essentially a first for me. The amidships deck, or maybe weather deck, needs to be constructed in place as the ship's tumblehome makes it impossible to airdrop a readymade deck in place. So all internal works, in effect the 6" and 3" gun enclosures, need to be made including the guns as they won't fit through the holes. Each 6" gun is a simple construction or cradle, breach and barrel: These pieces could be so much more detailed - it is tempting to put some dangly cabling in place as I believe these had various electrical and/or air lines on them - but there are various potential paths to madness making a model this size and I have to be careful not to over indulge. I think of this as a "low fidelity" model, which is to say its fidelity is as high as I can make it without running out of time or sanity, with some high fidelity bits. Certainly I am trying my best with the boats: The process is of course made so much easier with 3d printing, especially for the small fittings, and many times I have paused for thought on the devotion of modellers who make ships with lathes etc. The scuttles are a case in point - I think I need around 60 of them - and footsteps, so many footsteps... Happy weekend all! Harry
  5. A few updates on Peresviet (I am going with the old fashioned transliteration, it may help the non Russian speakers - like me - pronounce it right). This was a copper bottomed boat - another charmingly old fashioned feature. This would have been fixed to wood on the base metal, so would have presumably shown a slight step in the hull. Combrig's kit shows this, but it is very hard to verify it in the grainy photos. Anyway, I'm going with it. There is a strip of .5mm styrene around the waterline and this is faired in with isopon: You can also see a torpedo hatch there. I am preparing the hull for paint by attaching non delicate fittings. There will be so many eyelets, torpedo net boom mounts and keeps, footsteps and all sorts on the hull eventually, but anything in danger will get painted separately and superglued on. I had no idea what shade of green to paint the hull, but have settled on Brooklands Green (left). Aurora, a good source of inspiration for this ship, has a much more virilant shade of green, which is why i tried the green on the right: but even assuming it was chosen by the conservators with some regard to authenticity (big assumption) I can't quite love it! Meanwhile, I need to repaint my funnels and vent cowls. It seems these were a classic Victorian funnel yellow buff. I originally painted Tamiya buff, but this I now learn is not supposed to be a "funnel buff": I'm now veering towards Trainer Yellow, with a Smoke filter. Anyone for a paint call out..? Happy Thursday, Harry
  6. Yes, that hawse hole is the height of 2 sailors, I can only assume for eye candy reasons, after all the anchor doesn't draw right up (no stockless anchors here!) I think I do this stuff to avoid going even madder 😉 Good question. I am thinking that less may be more. With so much potential for artistic distress, I fear if I went full Warhammer on it the viewer wouldn't see the actual features. I love builder's models, all gleaming brass turnings, but I think i want to steer slightly more to the realism side - fresh in service look.
  7. I think it was a reasonable sea boat on account of the high focsle, and it took a lot of punishment at Port Arthur. But yes, a bow only a Tsar could love. Steampunk, exactly! But very much real. The temptation to fit impulse ion engines is considerable.
  8. Oh my I'm at it again... I have held off on doing any WIP for this as I was initially unsure if this would end up the shelf of doom (or rather become a shelf - it is furniture size). But - it seems to be now viable. The choice of subject is driven by wanting to make a 72nd battleship but still fit it in the house (this is 1.8m). Also, with tumblehome, gun ports alla HMS Victory and funnels out of a Lowry painting it is a particularly curious relic and amazing to think it came just 6 years before Dreadnought. This is not a distinguished ship - it sank twice... Some pics... The major work has been constructing the hull from I think 40 odd 3d printed sections. Sticking them together and filling - soo much isopon - was just graft and I'm sure you won't have missed 6 months of fortnightly updates reporting yet more sanding. I had already made some superstructure components however and although I'm a long way off fixing them down it is pleasing to pose them in place. I've also made the stern deck and there are 2 more funnels, I just didn't have enough Duplo to stack them on. I'm probably a month off painting the hull, subject to having a nice day in the garden and finding a suitable green spray for the hull (white and buff above the waterline). Phew!
  9. Hello all - I am looking for some pointers. I was surprised I couldn't answer this myself with some intermediate googling. I'm looking for a body plan of HMS Dreadnought (1906, the famous one), or one of her near sisters, without recourse to the NMM plans service. I wonder if it is in a book - maybe the Dreadnought Haynes manual? I'm not looking for a freebie of course, just a tip for a reasonably priced source before I get in touch with their lordships.
  10. Thanks @Donald, there are untold stories behind all these vessels. The knowledge of the seamen in these craft must have been considerable. I am re-reading Denis Rayner's autobiography and his description of his first ex-trawlerman skipper - Rayner was an RNVR Commander but not the captain of the ship - was very evocative, being able to fix a position without a working compass and predict the weather by observing the rust streaks on a passing buoy. A trawler - now there's a thought...
  11. Thanks all! Onwards and upwards to the next project. I've just spent a lovely morning communing with the models at the National Maritime Museum and the mojo is set to 11. Particularly enjoyed HMS Doris (below) and SMS Dresden, and as for those 17th Century Admiralty models - even if I don't know a topgallant from a spanker - be still my beating heart...
  12. Evening all! I'm calling this finished after 15 months. Quite an escapade. I did a rather fitful WIP linked below, but a brief précis. Me want make first ship, me want big ship, me choose quite simple ship with family connection, me use 3d printers but also cave man tools. It's now up on my wall and cats can now be swung in my workshop. It's not perfect - I did a lot of guesswork on this - so if you have a doctorate in steamships and spot a doozie, don't be shy in the comments and I'll learn for next time.
  13. Well, I have singularly failed to keep an up to date build log. I have so much lost track of time that it is only by looking at my posts here I can see that this will probably be a 15 month build seeing as I am steaming towards mounting this on my wall sometime next week. It is nearly there in all its shabby finery. It is a probably a "don't look too close" model, but all in all for a first attempt at a ship I am satisfied. Many lessons learnt although in quite a few cases I have left the mistakes in this ship is based on nothing more than a 100 year old photo and conjecture so they are all probable rather than certain mistakes! I'll try and do a better photo sesh for an RFI next week...
  14. Another update as I meander through a myriad of new modelling experiences in an attempt to get a first foot on the ratlines of ship building without falling in the scuppers or braining myself on a davit. Hull painting has commenced. The red and black are on, and I am getting into the weathering. The ethos here is dirty, unpampered, third owner (and name), coal carrying and in wartime to boot. It seems to me that a ship, especially in this scale, is possibly weathering nirvana. Here is starboard, which will be wall side when I display so I am at a bit more liberty to experiment. The red had been broken up with oils and a wash, and the black has had a light grey wash to highlight the plating. In order to get a tide mark with a hint of fouling, I have applied a broken line of masking fluid and am applying buff and black oil on top. This is the look I am going for: (from Classic Coasters, (Boot/Fenton) And this is what i have got: It's bold, but I think with a bit of a light filter it could be a goer. So many other sub projects going on, including the planking, but special mention must go to the masts: Many thanks for demystifying this artform @Bertie McBoatface, in the end it was a doddle with the drill mounted in a vice. In fact, it was rather pleasurable, and put me in mind of the famous movie scene...
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