Jump to content

Jochen Barett

Members
  • Posts

    946
  • Joined

  • Last visited

Everything posted by Jochen Barett

  1. I found at least one picture https://www.luftarchiv.de/index.htm?/flugzeuge/heinkel/he51.htm
  2. True, so true. And I wouldn't even dare to tell where the demarcation between yellow (RLM 04) and sand (RLM 79) runs along the nose. At least we can see the additional wind shield armor (even in a b&w photograph).
  3. Try harder! https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/ZG1-MTO/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E7BTrop-7.ZG1-S9+DR-sd-during-a-strafing-attack-at-Fuka-Egypt-1942-01.html https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/ZG1-MTO/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E7BTrop-7.ZG1-S9+DR-sd-during-a-strafing-attack-at-Fuka-Egypt-1942-02.html https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/ZG1-MTO/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E7BTrop-7.ZG1-S9+DR-sd-during-a-strafing-attack-at-Fuka-Egypt-1942-06.html https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/ZG1-MTO/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E7BTrop-7.ZG1-S9+DR-sd-during-a-strafing-attack-at-Fuka-Egypt-1942-07.html https://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2017/07/eduard-el-alamein-emil-7zg-1-bf109-e-7.html My judgement? "The wingroot was covered by exhaust stains so nobody can tell!" like seen on this sister airplane here: https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/ZG1-MTO/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E7BTrop-7.ZG1-S9+AR-El-Daba-1942-01.html
  4. I can not save the whole world. At flugzeugforum.de they have a lot of (too many) people who know more than everything, they know everything better. And I'm not even sure I do think that it is RLM 24, maybe it is just some nice airplane-grade blue paint Hr. Messerschmitt used.
  5. Nice pre-war Messerschmitt blau coming through flaking camo. Looks like the plane was once painted like this one before it received camouflage: https://www.airhistory.net/photos/0238107.jpg
  6. Judging by the pictures that canopy looks a lot like an early E canopy. https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/upload/iblock/9f6/qz961da5owbiroffmwxhh652g59isv5a/Real.jpg and https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109D/Bf-109D/images/Messerschmitt-Prototype-Bf-109V16-6D-ISLU-Ernst-Udet-crash-1937-01.jpg and https://www.modelarovo.cz/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Me109-V14-E02-Series-Prototype-D-ISLU-WrkN1029-Black6-Flown-By-Major-General-Ernst-Udet-At-IV-International-Flight-Meeting-Dubendorf-Zurich-Switzerland-1937_11f-s.jpg But who knows what's in the kit (and which detail I just missed)?
  7. A nice website about Greece includes a tiny bit about aircraft identification https://aviationarchaeology.gr/?lang=de https://aviationarchaeology.gr/?page_id=18&lang=de https://aviationarchaeology.gr/?p=1028&lang=de esp: https://aviationarchaeology.gr/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Aircraft-ID.pdf
  8. Part of the answer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyro_gunsight Revi 16 (xyz) was adjusted on the ground.
  9. "Es hat alles seine Vor- und Hinterteile!" With the guns in the nose you have "concentrated" firepower and that is good to have in case you aimed well, including the deflection (Vorhalt) with the guns (plus ammo) in the wings you have a disadvantage in maneuverability and have to decide wether you shoot "straight" or have the barrels converging at "the usual distance". With a high rate of fire you have concentrated firepower in short moments of engagement (good in case you aimed well) with slower rate of fire you can fire longer (if you follow your tracer rounds this may help). In case you are engaging heavy bombers it might be nice to have a 30mm canon to saw off a wing, in case you intend to shoot into the He 111's glasshouse one .30 round in the pilot's head might do the job. Sometimes an incendiaray .50 round is just the right thing. So, if the 109's and 190's job is to engage heavy bombers and the P51's job is to engage fighters they have different targets demanding a solution. Later in the F-86 the guns were all mouted in the nose and even later in the F-104 it was only one gun. It's a bit late to quarrel about this and other things were more decisive (probably). For the first question (rate of fire with synchronised guns) there will be diagrams somewhere (including a safety margin for high and low propeller rpm), maybe it was the reason we never saw a four- or five-bladed 109 propeller.
  10. Not sure where this has been posted before on BM, so I put it here:
  11. You have at least me hanging on the edge of my seat waiting for those! The build definitely deserves a really nice RFI presentation. Great!
  12. Plan A: Ignore the problem. The scissors are kinda cute. Plan B: White 12 retain camo, lose yellow nose (or just keep it because it looks cool) https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/JG27-I/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E3-1.JG27-White-12-France-1940-01.html https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/JG27-I/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E3-1.JG27-White-12-France-1940-02.html Plan C : Yellow 3 keep yellow nose, raise 65 on fuselage (or ignore that detail) https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109E/JG27-I/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109E3-3.JG27-Yellow-3-Guines-AF-France-1940-01.html
  13. Same pic, way better resolution, slightly more vivid colors (still a bit pale), less cropped. (still an "early case of "84"" - maybe it is moss or algae or just yellowed binder)
  14. This one does not make me any smarter and it doesn't put the thread back on track to the 109 in the beginning - but I thought I ought to show it anyway found at https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Ju-88/FFS/pages/Junkers-Ju-88A1-FFS(B)34-Kastrup-Denmark-April-1941-01.html and to help you to improve your German and explain the emblem: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinde_Kuh Blinde Kuh (blind cow) is German for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_man's_buff the blindfolded cow bears the two yellow stripes of the Blindflugschule's planes (warning everybody else) and Blindflug (blind flight) is "IFR", Schule being a school.
  15. You can't sweep the floor or exercise a funny salute (with your right arm) 7x24 and some of the time between shooting sessions and shoe polishing must be killed by other exercises. So the military hands out identification cards or booklets to help poor soldiers kill some time. These cards and booklets usually show a small black dot (sized like the droppings of a fly) and a caption. Imagine the allies' shock when the Luftwaffe changed from RLM 65 to RLM 76 on some but not all planes! They had to train all AA gunners and plane spotters all over!
  16. That would have been an interesting attempt to commit suicide in German occupied Danish skies. Besides attracting Flak IF the concept would work (and it would not, visual ID is done via silouette and "behavior", even yellow tactical markings did not prevent blue on blue in all cases) you'd have trouble justifying the violation of the LDV regulating the paint job.
  17. The second pic might show traces of a weak double exposure (if we don't happen to see a reflection on the bus's window). Judging by the position of the right engine's propeller blade's shadow (and other shadows cast) my conclusion is the two pictures were taken only a few minutes apart, still the colors of the plane and the background (grass and sky) are quite different. As far as I know buses did not have tainted windows (desaturating green grass) in those days. And I'll scratch my head why the propeller blade's Schwarzgrün doesn't match the camo's Schwarzgrün. Who knows about the plane's history before it joined the Blindfugschule? In case it was used as a bomber (over London) it might have receieved and lost several coats of black distemper night camo. I'll enlarge the pics to fill my monitor and stare at each for a while to have my eyes adjust the colors. I'll wait until I see the two yellow bands around the cow a true RLM 04 or maybe 27, but I am expecting true yellow, not just yellowish white.
  18. The Baltic Sea would be the "potential" area of operation with a "maritime" Bf 108, and even though Sweden did use blue in airforce camo IIRC most people consider the Baltic Sea a different color than the Mediterranean. In real life it less blue than on/in current postcards or Instagram pics (so I have neen told). Today German Marineflieger are not using dark blue AFAIK, maybe for a good reason, maybe because the Baltic Sea changed its color due to climate change. When discussing the conditions of the wreck we should talk about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleiner_Jasmunder_Bodden or https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleiner_Jasmunder_Bodden so we know: IF this Bf 108 is RLM 83 (I strongly doubt it!), and it is well preserved in less salty Bodden-water, RLM 83 can easily be substituted by Messerschmitt pre war blue. Good to know! At least I would not paint my Bf 108 in RLM "Schlumpfblau" to camouflage it over the Baltic Sea (or Mecklenburg-Vorpommern). But all this is pure speculation, we need to see the plane and scrub off the mud. Maybe it is Schlumpfblau with mud, maybe it is Messerschmitt blue with flaking 70/71, maybe something else.
  19. "if" ... and "More artefacts and documents, less logical reasoning." and "It would be nice to get close to the real plane and clean off some of the dirt and view everything in natural light" My interpretation of "Bild 6 Das Heckteil mit Leitwerk ist geborgen" ("Pic # 6") and "Bild 15 Zum Abtransport verladenes Heckteil der Bf 108" (Pic #15) is: I see 70/71 on the right horizontal stabilizer over blue paint and not "two shades of mud over blue paint". I see the white of the upper end of the Balkenkreuz surrounded by a dark background, either 70/71 surrounding the white or the "dark mud" clinging better onto blue than to the white paint and I see mor mud on the lower end of the fuselage (maybe I'm wrong, we should give it a good scrub). The blue on top of the fuselage is in my judgement much too bright for - all representations of RLM 83 I have seen so far - good camo over the baltic sea (and so far I have not heard of the Bf 108 as a plane to be predominantly used over water esp. not by a fighter unit "Jagdgeschwader 103") To me it is plausible that the second coat of 70/71 paint partially flaked off and partially remained. I have seen second coats of paint flake more than the first coats. Maybe one towel needs one hour to dry and the line can just hold one towel at a time. We need facts not reasoning.
  20. If three towels take three hours to dry on the washing line nine towels will take nine hours to dry on the washing line. This seems 100% logical to me. Looking at the document (esp. Bild 15 and Bild 6), I can not outrule the plane was painted blue at the time of delivery and received 70/71 later on and this second coat sufferd a bit during the last 79 years under water. On the other hand one might expect the swastika on a blue 108 to appear on a white disk in a red band. Who knows? It would be nice to get close to the real plane and clean off some of the dirt and view everything in natural light (and outrule the typical Bf 108 Messerschmitt blau). More artefacts and documents, less logical reasoning. I'll wait the next 70 years to get this settled. Maybe the inventor(s) of 81, 82, and 83 being two shades of green and braunviolett make a statement how they came to their conclusion some day.
  21. To me the document claims: "Hinweise auf das Baujahr der Maschine und des Typs ergeben sich aus der Betrachtung von Details: Der Argusmotor AS 10C war mit starrer Luftschraube ausgestattet, das Flugzeug durchgehend blau lackiert, wie bei Messerschmidt bis etwa 1940 üblich, beides typisch für frühe Varianten der Bf 108B. Noch gut lesbare Schilder an eingebauten Komponenten lassen den Schluß zu, daß sie 1939 im Werk Regensburg gebaut worden ist." google translates that to "Information about the year of construction of the machine and the type can be found by looking at details: The Argus engine AS 10C was equipped with a rigid propeller, the aircraft was painted blue throughout, as was common with Messerschmidt until around 1940, both typical of early variants of the Bf 108B. Signs on installed components that are still clearly legible suggest that they were made in the Regensburg plant in 1939 has been built." and I have almost nothing to complain about this machine translation of the text (maybe "all over" instead of "throughout"?) and think the text tells us the plane still carried the 1939/1940 blue paint and that seems plausble to me. But what do I know? Maybe it was intended to be flown in RLM 83 over the Mediterranean and was redirected to the Baltic Sea and could not be repainted in proper RLM 72/73 over 65 before it was lost. Strange (to me!) is the Revi in an unarmed plane, but they explain "Das Auffinden eines noch an das Bordnetz angeschlossenen Reflexvisiers Revi C12D (Bild 13) im Innern der Kabine gibt einen Hinweis auf die Verwendung der unbewaffneten Maschine; sie könnte zu Zielanflug-übungen eingesetzt worden sein." google translates that to "Finding a Revi C12D reflex visor (Figure 13) inside that is still connected to the on-board network the cabin gives an indication of the use of the unarmed machine; it could lead to target approach exercises have been used." and this translation could use some improvement (maybe even more): "Finding a Revi C12D reflex sight (Figure 13) in the cabin still connected to the on-board power supply gives an indication of the use of the unarmed machine; it could have been used for to target approach exercises."
  22. I don't see a darker color on the right plane's left wing than on the right wing, just the shadow of the left 190's right wing. But I'm open to receive help.
  23. I wonder if "that thing" is on the other side of the firewall right in oppostiton to the brake pedal. If so my quess: "It might be the brake cylinder." Maybe we can scroll back to the map af the brake system. Regarding the "brilliant idea": In the olden days when we were handling 20l Kanister (a frequent therapy to keep us busy, load Kanister to truck, unload truck, load Kanister to truck ...) we usually put on our grey Bundeswehr winter (lined) gloves (and said "Danke." for every Kanister that was passed to us and "Bitteschön" for every Kanister we gave the next guy in the chain). They (the winter gloves) wore quickly but were more comfortable than any other gloves supplied by the official supply chain. Who knows how that was done in the 40ies and if gloves were already invented?
×
×
  • Create New...