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  1. We may be isolated, but the post still works. Three deliveries yesterday, shapeways, some misc brass and stuff from Cornwall Model Boats and a copy of Warship for 1999-2000. Reading Wikipedia I saw that one of the sources for the SGB entry is this copy of Warship so I had to buy it. There is quite a long article on the SGB development, not much on the actions. But pure gold was a sketch drawing from the National Maritime Museum of the armament as fitted to each vessel in the class inc. SGB 4 (the one I'm modelling). This shows she carried 2 single Oerlikon guns in Mark IV mountings. Now, amongst all the books I have (I have a lot of books), I have drawings of Mk I, IIA, VIIA, VIIIA, IX (twin) plus the power turret option, but no Mark IV, If anyone has details of this mount, it would be much appreciated. In the photograph it looks very similar to the VIIIA but I found this picture on line which looks like the right mount, note the large training wheel, not seen on the other single mounts, interesting I also got copies of John Lambert's detail drawings of the 2 pdr power turret and the 3 inch 20CWT Mark 1 on a Mark IVA mounting from Warship Data International, some unpublished detail but mostly the same drawings that are published in the various armament books I had already. Amazingly, the illustration on the 3-inch cover is actually a close-up of SGB 4 the one I'm building, a nice bonus. I have the picture, but this close-up is clearer of the stern. It shows the side scuttles had rigoles which I'd not realised, will add them tomorrow The shapeways package came with the cowl vents, the Oil Tight Manholes, the flag lockers, and a number of smoke floats (the same as I drew for the Fairmile, with a slightly improved base). I'm getting better at this, if you group them together with connecting sprue, 4 costs the same as one as there is a minimum charge per piece. Picture below is not very clear, but shows my water trap cowl vents (which rotate) and the OTM's. I would have struggled scratch building the latter, these will look exceptional when painted Today I've been working up completing the first torpedo tube assembly, still needs some clean-up and a couple of minor details added but it's working out OK Those brackets are a bit of a nighmare, the etching didn't make enough room for the double bend so that's been fun as there are 12 for each tube View from the front Further update tomorrow on my plans to have the 2pdr guns printed in steel, cool or what? Steve
  2. Just been through this, wonderful conclusion, she looks amazing. Italian battleships may look pretty, but British battleships had the greatest sense of purpose in their design imho Steve
  3. Not much to show really for 3 days work. I did complete the replacement 20 inch searchlight, shown below next to the earlier 24 inch model ~ 30 pieces of brass in that The crutch that holds the light was filed from a piece of 4mm round bar, heated and bent. That's a lot of filing, ~3 hours for that one piece, still I couldn't think of another way to make it The front ring is removable at the moment as I need to glaze it I also made the binnacle which you can seen in the distance in this picture of the first torpedo tube (well the beginning of it anyway). I've left the top dome off the binnacle as most picture seem to show it like with with a bearing sighting guide on top What you can't really see in this picture is that I filed the inside edge of the torpedo tube casing down about 2mm so it sits more upright. When I drew the etchings I didn't allow for the camber of the deck and its been bothering me ever since. I finally plucked up the courage to file it, no spares of this so it I'd wrecked it, that would be the end for a while. Anyway, its so much better now the top is horizontal. The tube is made in pieces joined by the turned flanges. The intermediate rings are 1 mm long cut from the next tube size up in the lathe with a piercing saw, very fiddly indeed. There is at least another day on this tube, between the brackets, pressure chamber and other fittings More overall shots below In the foreground is the first engine room skylight, annoyed at myself, didn't etch enough clips, stupid mistake, so they will need to wait for the next sheet In the shot below you can see the first circular hatch, and the loud-hailer, both came out alright. See how much better the casing rests on the deck, so much better
  4. Short post from today's efforts on the charthouse. Once in a while, my etching ideas work as intended and this time the window frames and shutters fall into that category. Ignore the splatter from the solder paste, these will look the business once painted. In a couple of pictures the side shutters are raised so I thought I'd copy that practice, to show they can be positioned in the slot anywhere. I have the glazing cut and ready but I'll only install it after some of the painting is complete through the hole in the back that I realised I needed after not providing one.... The ammunition hoist is my second attempt, this one will need a snatch block but it is far lighter than the first attempt and after more clean-up will do OK The navigation lamp boxes still need more clean-up, they are strangely short and perched on the extreme lower forward corner so they needed some timber packing to not look very odd indeed. Still overall I rate that as progress Steve
  5. Please don't be in awe, just give it a go, we are the sum of our mistakes and I have a bin full of mine
  6. Thanks Richard, I really appreciate the likes, doing my best with the subject, lots more to come Steve
  7. Thanks, it's all I know, think I'm too heavy handed to work with plastic. You know where you are with metal, solder runs towards heat, should be simple
  8. Did a bit more digging and found this picture in a little paperback publication called RN Minor War Vessels in Focus, Lt Cdr Ben Warlow 2001, not seen this published on-line, might help with details
  9. Hi Les, I'm afraid I don't have any information on that point (I've seen a picture on-line of a model is all, I'm sure you have that). "Fast Attack Craft" by Phelan and Brice, 1977 has this not very good image of gas turbine driven MGB 2009 (later 5559) which looks very like the SGB hull but I think is actually a development of MTB501, (note sloping charthouse front) a Vosper class that is shorter, one of which was a blockade runner Gay Viking, which looks pretty cool. * However, if you reach out to the Old Bell Foundry (Greenwich Museum records office), they may well have drawings for that conversion, it is the sort of thing they keep. The contact I spoke to is Andrew Tullis ( ATullis@rmg.co.uk ) who was very helpful, however, with the shut-down, they may not be answering emails. Sorry, that's all I have If you do find anything, please post it here, I'd like to see it Cheers Steve
  10. Hi Kev, Just reading through this thread. I love the hull technique, never done one that way, the finish you got on it looks outstanding. Very interesting Also a great subject, my maternal grandfather (ex WW1 RNVR) was at Dunkirk aboard a ship requisitioned from the dockyard he worked at through WW2 in Woolwich. My grandmother kept the telegram she received in her purse all her life, I have it in the desk here now. It just says "You husband will be away for a few days...." He returned unharmed, many didn't Steve
  11. Thanks Steve, one small piece at a time, with no thought to when I will be complete
  12. Some small steps this weekend and then I ran out of gas, literally, the oxygen cylinder on my blowtorch ran out. When you're used to a jeweller's blowtorch and all you have is a soldering iron, much frustration sets in, so I didn't get what was planned done. Still hopefully replacement coming on Tuesday from ebay Meanwhile I made the two 9-inch french mushroom vents, not sure what the 9-inch refers to as there is no easy 9 inch dimension on them. They are very prominent in the pictures, think these will look OK painted You can also see the water-trap base for the one large cowl (which is on its way from Shapeways along with some other interesting parts, more later) and the first of my engine room skylights hiding behind the torpedo tube frame. I tend to make bits and pieces a little randomly in this phase to keep interest. I could make a production line, but changing around is more fun. I also fitted some of the depth and mine rails, only to realise that I'd not included them all on the etching sheet, the dangers of rushing In the background is the twin Vickers turret base and platform, better picture below I've had a lot of fun with the angles on this and the deck camber, it looks OK, finally. The platform has timber slats, water tight door to the lower bridge in the background. In general, due to the sharp rise in the desk to the bow, the angles on this boat are all complex I also made the canvas dodger frame for the fo'c'sle gun mounting, which of course would have been easier if I'd not bent the breakwater first... It's hard to photograph this boat without the angles looking all over the place, they are better in the flesh Charthouse window frames come next once the oxygen arrives... Day 13 of isolation Steve
  13. A day of hull fettling and priming, gone the shiny aluminium, replaced by boring grey, but at least that means I can see all the blemishes in the surface. Actually, it's OK, two coats of primer interspersed with fine surface filler and 600 grit wet&dry paper and the finish is coming together nicely. The effect of the goggled joints in subtle as I wanted it, good decision to change to 0.1mm, this is definitely a big improvement I've fussed and fussed over the slight shoulder at the bow, it's still not as sharp as I want it, but it will get there, it really is a fine detail, important to get right. Now you can see why I set brass in the bow, that straight and sharp look would have been sanded away if I'd left it wood. Very pleased with the bilge keels and that double T section, hard to see here, but they look really crisp. The portholes (sorry, scuttles) look weird but trust me, this is where they are, direct from the shell expansion. It looks like the forward crew flat was horizontal relative to the rising deck, the angle of the picture accentuates this From the stern, the light shows the joints clearer. Still a couple more coats of priming and sanding, but this is the look I was aiming for, can't wait to see it in dazzle camouflage. The best bit about using aluminium is that when i come to weather it, sanding shows actual metal through the paint, as it should do In between paint drying, I started the bow breakwater. This will be held in place with stanchions.. Getting through the main structural components now Meanwhile, anyone want a part-completed solid brass 24 inch searchlight in 1:48th scale, one stupid owner from new? The admiralty GA said 24 inch, the commercial drawing said 20". I believe the commercial drawing on this one, that 24 inch beast simply doesn't look right, way to big for the platform and not like the photographs. I found another drawing of a searchlight, this time without the industrial winding gear the 24 inch one has, in the drawing below, you can see the difference Ah well, it might fit the flower if I ever get to built it Lots of small steps, some actually in the right direction Steve
  14. That was the wrong picture, Flickr playing up, not sure what happened there
  15. Working on getting the hull ready for the first primer coat to see what clean up is needed. It's really hard to see what the blemished in the aluminium will look like once painted without primer. The hull etchings went on quite fast, the A frame mounting plate, the gratings and the anodes I also spent a lot of time re-gluing the corners of the plates which catch on everything. I've added the timber rubbing strip and drilled the porthole holes. I'll insert the portholes after painting This shot shows the stern assembly with all components. Hands up who's every seen anodes on a model... in fact, once painted zinc, they will be quite noticeable. I've also shaped the rudders with car body filler and plated over the prop shaft housing The problem with rushing etching artwork is you make mistakes and forget that stuff needs to actually be built. Had some interesting challenges with the torpedo tube casing this afternoon. spent nearly an hour trying to get it ready to solder, stupid silly mistakes with the way I drew it made life much harder than need be, still I got there in the end, sort of. Here it is resting in place while I try to sort out the platform that sits between it and the engine room roof. Some 3-dimensional geometry issues that I can resolve but that I shouldn't have had to. The tube is just to get an idea of what it will look like, lots of work in the tube alone, in time... And another shot from the front. Strange how the angles make the casing look out of square. It is perfectly square but in this view it looks trapezoidal, strange... Chart house windows tomorrow with sliding shutters....
  16. Yup, I just squeezed in just before the door shut. I rushed the artwork a little and it could be better in some minor regards, but well worth it to get the bulk done Steve
  17. In spite of the shut-down, the post still works.. exciting package arrived today Suddenly, being stuck at home is not so bad... Plenty to keep me occupied now Shame I have to work today, can't wait to get started on those torpedo tube bases
  18. Sorry to confuse, I uploaded the wrong version of the drawing , this is the right one, flipped around
  19. This blog is about to enter the long boring phase of pictures of bits of brass trying to be component of the boat. From experience, this phase takes months... Today, the searchlight. The Admiralty GA says this is a 24 inch unit. A 24 inch searchlight projector is a major piece of kit normally fitted to sloops and destroyers, it feels very large for the SGB. The drawing I have is from Lambert's Weapons of WWII, volume 2, escorts and minesweepers, its a beast! Below a scan of Lambert's drawing and my drawing of the simplified version I have a shot at making in 1:48th scale from bits I have in the workshop Interesting to me that the drawing shows a slender mount, as do the two commercial drawings, the actual searchlight is squat in the extreme, yet the centre-line is 56 inch from the deck, same as the plans show. The platform this sits on is small by comparison, they really squeezed it in, no wonder the handrails are shown leaning out the crew would have had to literally squeeze past it. Anyway, some hours and frustrations later, this is what I've managed to produce It will have three hand wheels that are on the etching sheet, and what looks like an aiming telescope that I've still to sort out. BTW, that side underneath the platform on both sides are where the flag lockers go, actually exactly the same dimensions as the ones I made for the Fairmile B. I'm going to use clear casting resin to glaze it, the front ring comes out. It rotates and pivots of course, some wiring will be added to complete the look Not much for two days work, these things take a long time to make
  20. Thanks for the tip Niall, that hoist is the business, I'll check them out. 4D depends on the size, this is a big sheet, but I'll certainly take a look Cheers Steve
  21. With every business working from home or closing, I thought I'd better get the first etching to 4D while they are still open. These sheets normally take me days or even weeks, but with some items already drawn, I crashed through the rest today and got it off for production just before they closed for the day. Should be with me by the middle of next week, I'll post pictures before I start cutting it up. Meanwhile, for those interested, this is what the finished artwork looks like (there's probably 40 odd hours work in producing that image, its quite meticulous work): There are around 200 components on this sheet, which is A4 size and will be 18thou thick. Black is leave alone, red is half depth from the front, Cyan is half-depth from the back allowing fold lines etc. The red lines that criss-cross the sheet are the supports, at that thickness they almost (but not quite) etch away From the top, there are the platforms between the torpedo tubes and the raised engine room roof, the twin machine mount turret doors, the torpedo tube support frames, the machine turret platforms, hull gratings, water-tight doors to the desk house (with frame), the chart house window frames which have sliding shutters, so the frames are in two halves to produce a slot for the shutters, and the engine room skylights. The two masters I made for these to cast were just not crisp enough so this is a 5 piece sandwich which I hope will work better. Down the side are the WTS base, lid and hinges, the short body will be 11.8mm tube. There's also some mine and depth charge rails, and torpedo tube side brackets (24 off), and the bosun's locker covers plus some lines of riveted strapping which I will use against the deck house assembly to hide the gap. This is one major step forward, £130 including artwork, repeats are ~ £90 I think. Not bad for 200 perfect items I could never hope to make well enough by hand. Is this cheating? Well, many kits these days have etched detail sets, I just make my own Steve
  22. Bit of a charmed day today. The flange tee sections from Barry Stevenson @ Metalsmith in Leeds are my new favourite thing. Not only that, but a rummage around one of my brass sections drawers (I have a number..) discovered 3 lengths of 6mm x 0.5mm that I'd forgotten, exactly the right size for the bilge keel, that's an hour of copper felting saved from the day. They silver soldered together well and then soft soldered into the slots with solder paste in a jiffy. BTW, my new favourite tool is a rechargeable electric lighter that lights the blow-torch perfectly, life is so much easier with the right tools Here they are cleaned up and before bending, that paste does splatter.... I do try not to work in a mess, but in ten minutes its back looking like this again... Here that are taped on while the gorilla epoxy sets. They are actually quite curved vertically, but gentle hand bending seemed to get them about right, the heat from the soldering helps make them pliable My metalwork seems to use a lot of masking tape Here is the hull with the tape removed You'll see I also sorted the second propeller shaft mounting and rudder, better picture below The prop bearing legs will be soldered in to etched bases with rivet detail, note the plating doubled as per the shell expansion. There are also anodes to fit between the rudder and the props, again they are part of my first etching sheet This shot gives you a good idea of the shell lines at the bow, some of the joints are quite complex Forgive the roughness of some of the plates, they mark if you look at them wrong, so thin. It will be easier to see what needs attending to once the first coat of primer is on. Of course real hulls with thin sheeting as this one had are also pretty bashed when you look close, so I could claim weathering And here is the stern. I've been having trouble with the stern corners, think I rounded the hull a bit when sanding. Anyway, don't judge it yet, wait until its painted, this is all quite raw now (bad ship handling in dock perhaps?). Again, check out the plate lines, not what you'd expect but they make perfect sense when you are cutting them, no double curvature at all The admiralty drawing (the GA) shows the additional armour plating they added after the first fight saw two dead in the water due to 20mm cannon shells hitting steam pipes. Its a prominent feature as it was hung outside in the way of the engine room covering the plating. Its 40 ft long and 8 ft high to the deck and .4mm scale thick, so will dominate the side view. The problem is that none of the pictures show it. They we are taken on trials from what I can see, so I can't see how it was fitted and a big slab of copper (that was the plan) will look very odd. Jury is out but I'll probably leave it off. However, Grey Fox, the subject of the model, did have a quite massive rubbing band from midships aft (5 inch square, 2mm scale) which I will fit. From the photos I have, seems she was the only vessel with that detail, not sure why... So, with the etched cooling water gratings and the prop bearing leg plates plus that rubbing strip, the structure of the hull will be complete, progress... Still love those props..... Steve.
  23. Quick picture post, the hull plating is complete, but still needs an amount of clean-up and will need some filling as part of the painting process. Still, I'm much happier with the thinner Aluminium, even if it was a pain to glue and the corners catch on everything and just pull away, grrr... Tomorrow I move on to the bilge keels, wish me luck ... Will post more pictures tomorrow evening Steve
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