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Steve D

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  1. This last collection of photographs show various R-boats on operations. Useful for deck clutter if nothing else... The first one shows what look like the Kriegsmarine equivalent of Dan Buoys. These are either 60t or 115t boats as can be seen from the anchor in a starboard side hawse pipe not the open deck scuttle fitted to later boats These are 110t boats in Holland I believe Just completing the main upload of images, working on the lines drawing, wil be back in a few days with progress Cheers Steve
  2. OK, between research, I've managed to make a few more pieces. Really, I'm not sure when to start priming the model, usually I've done this by now, but this time I wanted to get most items made before beginning painting (which I think I always rush...) Anyway, the locker printing is complete, here they all are trial fitted. I've also glazed all the windows now Back to building, I put the first of the two twin Lewis pedestal mounted guns together, show here next to the etched parts of #2. - Guns have to be brass in my world, no exceptions.... And here it is in position on the rear deck- the printed base in the background is for the Holman projector.. Next the flag locker. Remember I printed one but it was far too heavy, this is etched from .25 mm brass, ends 0.5 mm. This creates a much lighter looking result, though admittedly it hard to see one fitted... This all proved quite a challenge to hold together to solder, had to make a throw-away mount in the end... Soldering wood causes fires btw... Finished and cleaned up. The rivet butt strap on the top is to hold the canvas cover, might just be visible... This version is a keeper. I love the way my brass-work ends up a little wavy and bent, just like a real flag locker Next the wind-screens. This is in two halves to allow slots for the glazing. It has 6 angled supports individually soldered, more or less fitted, only a little fine filler needed to tidy up the join The vertical frames a bit too wide, but that's the limit of the etching, should be OK once glazed. The two frames stuck together form "H" supports that the glazing will slide into I hope... sorryy not quite in focus Lastly, I made up the IFF aerial frame that site across the top of the sliding hatch So, that's most of the etched assemblies bar the main gun mounts, they are for another day Cheers Steve
  3. Bingo! More searching, this time on a German naval forum turned up this outline drawing of R29 Which is a bad photograph of a plan but actually checks out pretty well with my comparison CAD sketch where I've superimposed and rescaled the various drawings I have. This is close enough that I'm confident the lines will work though the keel rise at the stern and the rudder look wrong and I'll probably based the drawing on the other plans I have in this area. The same forum also threw up the following pictures or boats out of the water, not published elsewhere. Both of the right type of R-boot, the second is R38, featured in earlier pictures. Note the first one has three rudders as with S-boats (seems some had this adaption) while others (R130 - R150) had Voith-Schneitigt-Antrieb rotary propellers which removed the need for rudders and is a very weird system all together, see drawing at the end of the post . The Voith-Schneitigt-Antrieb propeller is a combined propeller and rudder system (think an early version of azimuthon, ie directional thrusters), The blades (seen on the elevation to the right) rotate and feather to take the boat in different directions, even sideways (apparently) Looks pretty complex and expensive for war-time to me, plenty of bits to break.... The search continues Cheers Steve
  4. Beautifully finished as ever Rob, great subject, not sure how you get such fine work to look so clean, I wouldn't even contemplate let alone attempt such precision. Cheers Steve
  5. Thanks Rob, not sure why they are so neglected as a subject, in particular the 110t class with the open wheel-house and timber deck (which I'm looking forward to re-producing) and dazzle camo. I've spent over 40 hours searching, in multiple languages, for pictures, information, books, plans, models etc and there is very little out there. What I've found I will post here so anyone following will have the benefit, BTW those pointy hat things on the engine room roof are (I believe) small explosive buoys that were laid to protect minefields from sweeping, as shown on this drawing, far left labelled Abb 27 I also agree they are very similar to the B's, will be a great comparison picture with my earlier B when complete Cheers Steve
  6. Thanks for the votes of support. Remember, all I'm trying to do at this stage is work out which class the pictures I have accumulated belong to so they will help me in the drawings. From what I can tell, these all belong to the 110t class Note the built up stern roll-over and gun shield on the main deck, later in the war?. I believe those are small mines on the railings at the stern... Below is another nice shot showing sweeping gear on the aft deck Not too clear but great shot of the bow section And again, close up of the bow Also a little blurry, but sweep gear on the aft deck, not the machine guns on posts on the bridge roof This great shot is scanned from Die Deutsche Kriegsmarine 1935-1945 by Siegfried Breyer, valuable detail of the mid-ships section and the raised deck to the rear of the bridge (engine room roof). More of those small mines (?) Lastly the only colour shot I've found of the early vessels though this is the earlier 115t class as can be seen from the anchor mount, but useful for colours Still studying and sorting pictures, will get some drawing started this coming week. Much will be speculation, but I think I can get things close enough and all the mistakes will be mine so no need to share the blame with anyone... Just been printing stuff for the MGB, nothing much to show on that thread Cheers Steve
  7. A little more information on the wartime R-boot classes taken from "Deutsche Minensuch-Und Räumboote" by Knut Schäfer with the 110t class highlighted The following are examples of all but the last class 60t Boote - R8 115t Boote R17 (or possibly R20) 110t class R38 Aldebraran Class - R178 Capella Class R ? not sure the serial number of this picture but I'm including it as it is the best colourised image I have I'll post more pictures of the 110t class later Cheers Steve I just noticed I made a typo on the table, the Alderbraran class did not have Rock Launchers, they were of course Rocket Launchers, things weren't quite that bad at that stage of the war....
  8. Short update, gettign my head back into where I left things... Meanwhile, I printed a load of misc deck items, lockers, cowl vents, depth charges, life-buoys (two sizes, a first for me...) etc... That thing in the middle is the forward bulkhead of the open bridge which needs painting outside and glued in at theend. Here is a better shot together with the wheelhouse with its windows fitted (hours of fiddling later...). I had to glaze them before gluing it in place so they will need masking... Cheers Steve
  9. Updated Jochen, with my apologies for being lazy in the first instance
  10. First, sorry for the radio silence, we've been away and also work on the house intervened in modelling activities. I will get back to the BPB company MGB today and post some progress later. Meanwhile, as is ever the case, while modelling, I'm also researching and I've spent many many hours looking into R-boots. Considering the number of these vessels that were built and the various uses they were put to, there is very little information available and relatively few pictures. In effect, the R-boats were very similar to the Fairmile B's in numbers and uses and when reading about coastal forces, while S-boats get all the headlines, R-boats are the ones most commonly fought as there were never very many S-boats. So, they were the work-horse of the Kriegsmarine coastal navy and my collection of WW2 costal forces would not be complete without an example At 35m in length, they are almost the same length as the S-boats (making a 1:48th scale model just under 29 inches in length, mixing units as ever, sorry.) This time, as the research is a major challenge, I thought I'd start the thread early in the project and include progress on the drawings and challenges given I can't find a plan of the 110-t class to work from. There were actually 7 classes of R-boot, the later classes serving into the 1950's, in particular the Capella-Klasse which has an armoured bridge and serving the the Polish navy among others after the war. However, from 1940 the 110-t class seems to be the most prevalent and has a distinctive large windowed bridge that I like. They had wooden decks over the forward 3/4'rs with steel decks at the stern. They were used for mine laying, mine sweeping and coastal protection. I believe this is R-38, the 110 t class boats were R25-40 and R151-217 This is R178 And again, without as much camouflage showing the extended stern, probably to aid mine-laying A German website offers drawings of this class but they have not responded to my enquiries, it is 14 years old so perhaps they no longer offer the prints. The illustration however may provide some guidance, even though it is a poor quality print I've found drawing of the Capella Klasse boats one of which has lines that I hope I can adopt and modify to make a reasonable stab at the hull There are obvious differences, but the overall hull lines look very similar and are probable good enough for this scale. I have found an actual German technical drawing of this class, as well which has a second sheet of details that will help a lot Lastly, the 3D model for R-41 (Aldebaran-Klasse), available in war thunder is on-line, below my own composite illustration of this 3d model which is a useful further reference point Comparing all these, the location of the deck house don't align and the bow profile is much steeper on the 110-t class, but overall the shape is so similar that I think I can make a stab at it. If anyone has more information of drawings, they would be most welcome. I have two German language books on order , I'll post more information as it arrives and discuss progress with the drawing work as it progresses. This one is much more an investigation project than normal, exciting I also have over 30 photographs of the un-armoured bridge classes that I will post as I go so watch this space Finally, two more 3D model illustrations I've found, first the 110-t class And this, the 3D model used in the film The 12th Man, R-56 was actually an Aldebaran-Klasse vessel of 125-t, but very similar. Not sure how accurate that massive towing winch is, no pictures I have found show anything that large fitted, it would seem to clash with the main engines ..... So, hopefully this thread will grow to become a good reference for others looking into building these vessels as there is so little available at present. Cheers Steve
  11. Great progress Rob, soon be finished.... Can I ask where you get the Modelkasten metal rigging from, seems very expensive on my searches Thanks Steve
  12. Exceptional work David, very impressive. As you say, the journey is what this hobby is all about cheers steve
  13. Hi Kev ive just caught up with this thread. I LOVE it, the size, the detail, the fact that it is card, the fact that most of the detail is lost, everything. Well done for starting over and for building the whole ship ill be following along, this one is too good to miss. if only it were in brass cheers steve
  14. I'm sorry to say what they taught you is wrong. The wires are there to keep the smoke in.....
  15. Hi Dmitriy, Hull coming along nicely, its a steady process I know.. I have almost no finger prints left due to years of sanding, difficult for biometrics Yes, scale propellers don't really work well unfortunately. How are you arranging for a-symmetric thrust to assist turning? You will also discover that scale rudders are probably also USELSS on their own unless you are running the boat in a huge lake and have a turning circle measured in Km's. So, the outer props will need to work to assist the turn by reversing the inside prop... Cheers Steve
  16. I know Pascal, I have that drawing, but thanks for reminding me to study it closer, I'd been lazily working from the GA which I'd scaled into TurboCAD. However, not all of the details shown on that drawing were built when you compare it closely to the photographs. The strange question mark shaped vent on the port side for instance is missing from all the port side pictures I have etc... The trouble with multiple sources is knowing which to believe and of course, any drawing you follow is only as good as the research done by the person who drew it. Designer drawings in wartime were rarely updated to shipyard "as-built" status, there being no time or point as designs evolved so fast. Pictures are always the best source, but even a single vessel changed over time. I met a guy at a show many years ago who was showing his model of a type 22 frigate at 1:48th scale, an amazing enormous model ~ 9 feet long (that had taken him over 20 years to build). It was modelled as at a particular day in the 1980's when he had the opportunity to go aboard and photograph every detail. That's the only way to say something is "right" Still, all that said, studying the image, the square now looks to me to be more ,likely to be the radio/radar wire connection plate as the rectangle is shown plain, possibly an inspection/access cover,.... The "mushroom vent" looks more like a jack staff base... This is the bit of the hobby I like best, trying the work out these rather pointless little details Cheers Steve
  17. The most time consuming part of these builds is not making stuff, its actually working out what the drawings mean Looking for a little help here, perhaps @JohnWS might know the answer... In this extract from the drawing I'm working to you can see a number of objects on the whaleback roof to the rear of the dustbin (apparently this was the nickname for the open bridge....) At 12 o'clock looks to be a mushroom vent, 3 o'clock is the mast step, the tube of frame running across I can just make and not worry about purpose. However, we then have the rectangle with 3 circles at 6 o'clock and the square with 4 circles at 9 o'clock. None of these are visible on any photograph I have and they are obscured in the elevation by the locker so I'm a bit stuck. My guess is that the rectangle looks like the anchor point for the radio/radar wires to enter the radio room below so I can model them as round conductor/isolators with fine wires running up the mast. The square seems to have a looped handle running across it... I'm sure no one will care what I make here, but it worries me that I don't know what they are or really what they look like.. Can anyone offer more information? Cheers Steve
  18. Thanks John, Always good too hear from a professional Cheers Steve
  19. Very quick update, fitting this kitchen has taken my time this week. However, I did squeeze in a few details Below what I think is a tow bracket on the stem just above the water line (note rivets on the side straps). Pictures show a rope attached to this fitting and coiled on the forecastle as a contingency Also visible is the Samson post, the forward hatch in place and the fixings for the protective frame/tent that might be installed in harbour to keep the forward crew flat dry. The first of my etched bollards also in place and the deck-lights Moving to the stern, I've made up the major deck tanks (note fire extinguisher) and bins and just visible is the twin Oerlikon mounting flange around the drum. Hatches stuck down now. On the base in the foreground is one of the two short ladders that access the sliding hatch and Oerlikon mount and an RUL. That cubic bin is quite odd. I decided is had inner walls, so is not an not an open bin as the other side. The more I stare at the few pictures available of this mark of MGB, I'm more convinced this is right Below is a better shot of the anti-slip threads aro9und the Holman projector and those strange diagonal treads to (I guess) help the crew move from the rear whaleback hatch to the Holman without slipping overboard. Note there are two rectangular glass deck lights (see the brass frames) just behind and either side of the Oerlikon plus more of the small oblong decklights running forward. The two rear fairleads are also in place, these were printed I'm sort of working my way round the boat adding stuff that will be in place when I commence painting. The bins, lockers, cowl vents and tanks will be painted and detailed off the model and added right at the end, I just like to see them in place as I go. The Holman base will be fixed before hull painting, the projector assembly sits on a rod and so is removable, that way it can be also be painted off the model and added at the end Cheers Steve
  20. The plans were purchased from the Greenwich archive in the old days when they gave you actual full size photocopies of the originals. These days its all electronic. I have copies of all the plans, its a large bundle, each is over 6 feet long... I dread to think what they would cost today.. The gun was drawn using 123D though others here use Fusion to great effect. I also use TurboCAD for 2D drawing work which I find very useful I knew they had found here, in fact a couple of the dive team have been in touch about getting copies of the drawings Dmitriy, Thanks as ever. I'm in a total quandary about the model as I have no where to display it when completed. Indeed, I'm currently creating a dedicated room in the loft to help with the overspill of models I'm currently producing. The problem is Jason is sooo large, the case alone would cost over £1000 as it needs to be armoured glass due to size. To give you some idea of what this will entail, this is a very bad picture of HMS Medea a WW1 M class destroyer I built 20 years ago (my grandfather served on her). I had to build the book shelves specially to display the model in my study... She has moved three times, each time where to display her is a key problem in the move Jason is slightly larger..... I'd love to finish it but I'm not sure I can. Still, never say never..... Cheers Steve
  21. I do hope I've not broken an unwritten rule of the forum by asking , take your time Rob, not all projects run smoothly Cheers Steve
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