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Nobby Clarke

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  1. Although it doesn't explain why BS285 and BS241 are so close, the following document written by Clive Elliott contains a lot of very interesting historical information on British Army dark greens including BS285 which was created for the British version of NATO Green with Infra Red Reflecting (IRR) properties. Its well worth the read. http://www.warwheels.net/images/BritishArmyGreenPaintsElliott1.pdf
  2. There has been a lot of interesting discussion in this thread about Dark Green, but frankly I have more of a challenge with creating acceptable Dark Earth. I would really like to get a hue that resembles the DE in the colour photo of the Spitfire from LIFE magazine that @Troy Smith pasted in his post above. Does anybody have a paint good choice for Dark Earth with the yellow/orange tint which this photo exhibits?
  3. Has anybody tried AK Real Colors? They spray very nicely and settle to a smooth coat. I liked their Dark Earth and Sky, but guess what, their Dark Green (BS 241) is too bright and too olive, but not as bad as the MiG AMMO acrylic paint that @Tour de Airfix showed us earlier. Hmm, seems like a common theme. I’m planning to add a drop or two of a darker green shade to bring it back to the RAF Museum hue.
  4. There's another program by Sensuallogic called PaintMaker where you can create mixes for a target sRGB color using Createx Illustrator airbrush colors. Note you must use the Illustrator colors not the normal range of Createx Airbrush or Wicked colors available at hobby stores like Hobby Lobby. https://sensuallogic.com/paintmaker
  5. I agree that @Phantome has created an excellent resource for model colours, but with the exception of stating a preference for Gunze, a mention that Tamiya XF-81 has changed hue over the years and a discussion of the three Humbrol Dark Greens he does not provide any insight into the accuracy of the other DG’s mentioned in his table of paint colours. This is perhaps a very tall order for a one stop web page; when would he ever be done writing it? Which brings me back to my previous point that discussion threads like this one in BM are a wonderful resource for modelers to share their
  6. I'm not sure that we need another set of swatches, although I wouldn't say "no" if @Jamie @SovereignHobbies decided to publish such a thing. The "go to" reference for WW2 colour swatches is generally accepted to be the pull out colour card in the back of the RAF Museum (RAFM) book by John Tanner "British Aviation Colours of World War Two". The discussion in this thread is a question of accuracy of the commercially available model paint ranges. Which range of model paints provide the best matches to the RAFM colour card? I hear that @SovereignHobbies enamel paints are excellent, but
  7. Right. 70.893 is not that close. For Vallejo Model Colors try: 70.892 Yellow Oliva FS34083 RAL 6008, or 70.894 Olive Green/RLM 80 they are both much closer.
  8. The referenced thread discusses some other acrylic choices for RAF Dark Green. You may find a useful alternative in there. The quote from N. Millman indicates that the BS 381C 241 Dark Green is slightly lighter (and less saturated) than the MAP/RAF shade. Since the MIG paint is labeled “Dark Green (BS 241)” this may be the reason why the MIG colour is too light.
  9. FYI. There is an excellent britmodeller thread on RAF Dark Greens: Also look for the post from Mr. Millman on 5 April 2017 in this RAF Dark Green thread, which states (in part)... "The MAP colour standard for Dark Green as measured is a Munsell Yellow (like Olive Drab) approaching Green Yellow, quite dark at 2.9 and of low saturation at 1.5. Geoff Thomas' Munsell equivalent as published in ‘Eyes for the Phoenix’ (Hikoki, 1999) & ‘True Colours’ (Airfix Magazine, Feb 1983) is similar to mine - 10 Y 3/1.5 vs 10 Y 2.9/1.5 - just being a tiny tad lighter.
  10. What are the ID numbers of the paints you are using? I would be very interested in seeing photos since my local hobby shop has started stocking the AMMO line of acrylics. I found a similar phenomenon with the AK Real Color lacquers. Their Dark Earth and Sky are ok, but the Dark Green has too much olive. Not sure why this is but I suspect that manufacturers are matching their paints to BS 381C 241 Dark Green which may not be the same as WWII MAP/RAF Dark Green.
  11. I did not proceed down the path of MIG AMMO acrylics so I cannot comment on their accuracy. What turned me off was a comment from a fellow modeler who told me that they suffer from bad tip dry in his air brush. I would have to experiment with thinning and use of retardant/flow-aid to overcome this. What is your experience?
  12. dnl42, that's a really nice build. The Techmod decals look great. Do all the stencils come with the Techmod sheet?
  13. I would appreciate that. Cheers!
  14. How was your experience using the Techmod decals? I read a post on BM that said their decals are very delicate, came off the paper in 5 seconds and ripped on application. But this could have been just a bad experience or a bad sheet of decals.
  15. I have a 1/48 Tamiya P-51B that I plan to build as an RAF Mustang Mk.III with Malcolm hood, although since I haven't actually built this kit yet I could just as easily build it with the standard P-51B cockpit canopy (the Tamiya kit provides both options). However, it must be an RAF or Commonwealth air forces bird. I'm looking for recommendations for after market RAF decals. I also have the option of buying a set of used original Tamiya Mustang Mk.III decals, but I have read these are very thick.
  16. What version are you doing? If it is the PK-G, you better take the Techmod decals. Tamiya ones are different to the real Mustang. I can tell you more if you are interested. Rav, I’m interested to learn more about the mistakes in the Tamiya decals for this aircraft. Nobby
  17. Progress is being made, albeit slowly. I am looking for help to fill in my knowledge of what changed in BS 381C Amendment no. 4 released on 7 June 1956. The previous amendment was no. 3 in September 1949 when there were 97 colours, and the subsequent change was the release of the 1964 edition with 93 colours. It appears that there were significant additions and deletions between 1949 and 1964.
  18. Progress is being made, albeit slowly. I am looking for help to fill in my knowledge of what changed in BS 381C Amendment no. 4 released on 7 June 1956. The previous amendment was no. 3 in September 1949 when there were 97 colours, and the subsequent change was the release of the 1964 edition with 93 colours. It appears that there were significant additions and deletions between 1949 and 1964.
  19. I'll give it a try. Thanks for the suggestion.
  20. There were 12 new colours introduced between the 1964 and 1996 editions, 5 in 1980 and 7 in 1988. I listed them below. Can somebody tell me which were introduced in each edition? 115 Cobalt blue 172 Pale Roundel blue 262 Bold green 285 NATO green 363 Bold yellow 389 Camouflage beige 454 Pale roundel red 542 Ruby 564 Bold red 626 Camouflage grey (Barley grey) 676 Light weatherwork grey 677 Dark weatherwork grey I have amended my original post with the answer to my question (above) for anybody who is interested. The 19
  21. This is getting messy. I think I will edit my original post.
  22. I am not planning on publishing any of this in a formal sense. I meant that if somebody were to provide me with info, then I would be happy to share whatever else I have gathered in return.
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