Egi vandor
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4 hours ago, don f said:
I have not seen an image of the right side of the aircraft. Hopefully someone will post an image of the right side forward fuselage. Identification and squadron markings often changed over time.
This is page 91 of Scutt's B-25 Mitchell at War. Mitch in flight.
The waist gun installation does not appear to be the HAD modification with the wind deflector and open window. The tail gun appears to be in the lower position, not the HAD modification. Below is an image that shows the shape of the fairing for the tail gun on D2 aircraft. This fairing is very different from that found on the B-25H/J.
I recall that one of the 1/72 B-25J kits has the waist gun blisters molded with symmetrical fairings top and bottom. If so, then you should be able to use them for your model, unless you're making your parts. The tail gun position will require some to work to get right.
Don
Thanks, great photo!
I will scratch build waist gun blisters for this kit. And i will make a copy of a tail gun position from Italeri PBJ-1D - it's correct for D2 Mitchells.
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9 hours ago, e8n2 said:
Most certainly, the Superscale instructions are incorrect in at least two different areas. For both aircraft it lists the camo scheme as being 34087 over 27670. HORSE HOCKEY!!!!!!! The FS paint standard colors did NOT exist in WW II. Neutral Gray 43 was a much darker color than FS 36270 could ever hope to be. Fading could make it lighter. Even when freshly applied, OD could be in different shades at the same time on the same aircraft. Fresh OD over a metal airframe is different than OD dope applied to fabric covered control surfaces. Also the instructions do not show to paint over the lower front windows of the bombadier's station while the photograph does. Superscale, despite claiming to be super accurate, are not always accurate. Check photos of the aircraft you are building if at all possible.
Later,
Dave
According to overpainted lower front windows - it seems like they are in deep shadow but kept clear. Other photos of Mitch the Witch confirm this.
Interesting that Mitch the Witch had white or OD cowling forward part during different time periods.
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Thanks to all, who responded to my question! I found nearly all info i need!
The only question left is squadron insignia on the right board - was it there or not.
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5 minutes ago, Work In Progress said:
As a B-25D-25 it was not built with the big bay-window side gun blisters, they did not come in until the H and J. I suppose a field modification is not impossible as 42-87293 was an unusually long-lived B-25, but without photographic evidence or reliable witness evidence then there's no reason to make that assumption.
I'm not seeing any black, and can think of no reason why it would be beneficial to paint such an aircraft black underneath. Just standard olive drab over Neutral Gray in full shadow.
I have no basis for questioning the Superscale decal instructions: do you?
Yes, B-25D-25 were not built with additional gun installations in side windows, but many Mitchells at Pacific had different field modifications. In B-25 in Detail ad Scale (№60) at p. 32 is the photo and side profile of B-25 with waist gun position behind the wing. But that window is smaller and square shaped. Probably some C's and D's might have larger windows. But did Mitch the Witch have them?
I also have no questions for SS decal, but would like to see any photo of Mitch the Witch from the starboard side.
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Hello all!
Now i'm going to build Eastern Express (ex-FROG) B-25 1/72. EE provided kit with decal for two VVS variants and USAF one.
I decided to make more colorful USAF plane and began to collect info about it. I found that this B-25D-25 had early type gun packages on the sides of fuselage, rear gun installation with the single gun and tall canopy, and two fixed machine guns on the right side of the plexiglass nose.
On this photo from B-25 In action (Squadron/signal 1221) is Mitch the Witch nose art and another B-25 behind. Second plane has large windows in fuselage behind the wing trailing end with gun installation. Did Mitch the Witch had these gun installations too?
Also at this photo lower part of fuselage on both planes looks like painted black. Might it be so?
Another question is about nose art. Superscale in their decal sheet 48-680 added squadron insignia on the right side of the nose. Did Mitch the Witch had in in reality?
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Another one is ready. I had Revell kit without decal and part of Italeri decal without kit. Maybe kit is undersized, maybe decal oversized, maybe both things together...
With Hasegawa "brother in arms"
And with Starfix F-5C Skoshi Tiger
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24 minutes ago, Jackson Duvalier said:
Brave man. 🙂
I'm curious about the "S&C" method you mention for making a new gear strut for the Voodoo. Do you have a link or more detailed description?
It means "from scrap and crap"
i.e. from pieces of plastic, wire, syringe needles and other stuff, that missed the bin
It took near 15 minutes to make new gear strup from pieces of trash that i found on my working table
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19 hours ago, Lightningboy2000 said:
Big fan of the Voodoo. I've tried building the Valom kit but it didn't go together well. The upper halves of the wing have no location point to adhere to the fuselage. I had to add a curved ridge of plasticard to attach the wings to. Adding to that I had a disaster when going through Alclad Gloss black primer & the aluminium. All the aluminium paint came away from the primer. Also the primer refused to be stripped off with oven cleaner, it ended up being thrown in the bin!
Next time I'll probably re-scribe the Hasegawa kit! 😆
I've got a couple of Airwaves resin nose cones to do the C version.
As far as i know, Alclad metallics are not easy, so i never ever thought to use them. Now i use Tamiya aerosoles to paint models in Aluminium, than different shades of Aluminium and Chrome Silver to accent panels. I also saw B-29 painted by AK Interactive True Metal and going to try them.
About hard assembling of Valom RF-101 - once upon a time i built YuMTK Yak-28 and FROG/NOVO P-39 from late moulds of Baku Plant, so i'm not afraid of Valom
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Well done! I'm going to build two Valom RF-101C, and your one is a good motivation to do it finally
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4 minutes ago, Lightningboy2000 said:
Thanks Egi, I thought there was a finely moulded Hasegawa Voodoo that I didn't know about!
Looks good to me!
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Thanx!
I will built two more RF-101C later - this time Valom kits. I want to build one of them in SEA camo and another in NMF as an Able Mable plane, so I will order custom decal for 'Mary Ann Burns' or 'Georgia Peach'
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4 minutes ago, Lightningboy2000 said:
Did you re-scribe it? They look like recessed panel lines to me.
I've got an old Hasegawa kit in the stash only it's all raised.
Martin
Yes, twenty year ago i used this kit as a teaching material in re-scribing, so panel lines are deep and wide
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3 hours ago, Lightningboy2000 said:
Is that really the Hasegawa 1/72 RF-101C or is it a 1/48 kit? Only it looks like it's got recessed panel lines. The kit looks pretty good.
Martin
Yes, it's Hasegawa 1/72.
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Looks great! I build "Mitch the Witch" from Eastern Express (ex-FROG) kit now.
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Another built kits. This September i caught COVID and spent more than month at home with my family. Surely, i built some kits with my son. I had not all needed paints, so some of kits now are waiting to be painted. I didn't try to build perfect models, just to make "minus one box - plus one model on the shelf".
First, Hasegawa RF-101C. My friend built it nearly twenty years ago and painted it by brush. He didn't use the primer, so paint soon peeled off. I repainted it in silver and applied new decal. Forward undercarriage leg was lost, so i used S&C method to make new one.
Next, Airfix A-1J Skyraider. I began to biuld it in 1997, but then i got new Hasegawa Skyraider, so this one was abandoned for a long time. Some details like pylons were lost, so i had to make new ones.
Together with old Monogram A-1E.
And more to come soon:
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If crack is not very big and parts of windscreen are not apart, you may try to dip it in the Future. It may help, i did it once and result was very good. Crack was seen only from one angle and was invisible from others. But changing cracked windscreen will be more effective remedy.
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expositor, 72modeler, i think so too. During Korean war even resque SB-17G were retrofitted with guns.
So when my kit will arrive, i will order custom decal and build it OOB.
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2 hours ago, EwenS said:
Here is a link to a thread that ran back in Nov last year about the camera installations in the various photo B-24 variants including the PB4Y-1.
The conclusion was that there were no camera windows in the PB4Y-1P as the bomb bay doors were opened to take the photos. Having had a look into Ginter's book at the photos of the aircraft in the postwar photo squadrons I can't detect any difference from the wartime appearance (other than the paint job). There are a number taken of aircraft in flight with the rear bomb bay doors open for example on p125. And one that I missed last year on p122 of an aircraft on the ground with the bomb bay doors open and what appears to me to be the end of at least 2, and possible 4, camera lenses in a row front to rear in the aft starboard bomb bay. The bomb bay doors are rolled up the side and clearly don't have any windows (and in fact couldn't have had and still operate).
The VP-Navy site has a lot of photos of these aircraft but they are very dark and it is difficult to make out detail. But you might be able to lighten them up on the computer to discern a bit more. Some of the photos from Gintner's book appear there.
Thank you, very interesting and useful thread. Strange, but i missed it then.
So, i believe, externally PB4Y-1P were identical to standart PB4Y-1, so if i want to built photo bird i don't need to cut any additional windows.
I'm going to build PP8 from VJ-61, that flew in French Indochina in support of french forces.
It looks like this plane had full pack of guns - nose, upper and tail turrets and guns in side windows. But what about belly ball turret?
Sad, but serails of these planes are unknown.
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May anybody help with info about number and locations of camera windows on PB4Y-1P, that flew in fifties?
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On 06/09/2020 at 15:22, Modelraynz said:
Appologies in ressurecting,
but ive been struggling with this question lately for an entry into the vietnam gb...i do, however, come with pics!!
Do these provide any more insight?
Thanks for your photos, they are great! I'm going to built 273 Sq MK.VIII and FR.14 and need any info about them.
273 Squadron is very obscure one, so i couldn't find much about it. All i know is that their VIII's surely were in DE/DG, some of their serials may be found here: http://www.airhistory.org.uk/spitfire/_prodn list.txt
I also think that after their transferring to Armee de'l Air they retained their colors while delivered later XI's were in Ocean Gray/DG camouflage.
About FR.14's. Most known one, of course, RN218/ MS-F. It looks like DE/DG. But at your photos of SM890/MS-V and NH909/MS-W clearly seen overpainted areas on fuselage. It looks like european-type cocardes were overpainted, but camouflage colors retained. So might they be in OG/DG?
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57 minutes ago, Dervish said:
44-76330 was indeed an SC-47D, converted from a TC-47D.
According to Joe Baugher's database, 44-76330 was built as TC-47B, but there's no info about it's modification into SC-47.
Also, first four Farm Gate aircraft, modified into SC-47, left Hurlburt for Bien Hoa on November 5, 1961, and arrived on November 16, so none of them could be shot on March 23.
In Midland's book about Vietnam war losses we may find this info:
During the increasingly tense situation in Laos in 1960 the USAF had detached a small number of aircraft from the 315th AD to monitor the Soviet airlift and locate airfields that were being constructed with Soviet and North Vietnamese assistance. On 23 March 1961 a C-47 took off from Vientiane for a flight to Saigon via the Plain of Jars region where it was intended to gather radio intelligence from several Soviet-built airstrips in the Xieng Khouangville area.
So we may be sure that this plane was not SC-47 but C(TC)-47B with some equipment for SIGINT and maybe ELINT.
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3 hours ago, TheyJammedKenny! said:
If you are still interested and haven't had enough detail, NSA's (mostly) declassified history of the Vietnam War is available here at George Washington University's National Security Archive: https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB260/nsa-4.pdf
While there are major deletions for classification reasons, nowhere in this document is there reference to loss of an SC-47 during the Laotian Crisis, at least in the context of SIGINT operations. It does, however, mention that the USAF deployed cryptologic support to Thailand during the Laotian crisis.
Credit for this goes to whomever filed this FOIA request! The NSA historian pulls no punches either.
Alex
Thanx, i will read this while i stay home with COVID.
C-47, shot down 23 march 1961, wasn't SC-47, it was ELINT plane from 315 AD on TDY from Osan.
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18 minutes ago, TheyJammedKenny! said:
It IS strange. That's for sure. I doubt very seriously that the nose radome was SIGINT-related, however. Its location and small size suggests more of a small weather radar for the crew than anything else. My guess is that if this aircraft had a SIGINT role at all, the antennas were either roof-mounted whip-type, or long-wire, anchored at the front of the fuselage roof and tip of the vertical tail. Also, I can't imagine this aircraft "trolling" up and down the coast of North Vietnam looking for ELINT targets farther inland--that was reserved for the much more capable EC/RC-121s.
IL-14s: Perhaps you can tell us something about Soviet IL-14s supplying Pathet Lao forces? How were drop-zones identified? This seems like a bold move on the USSR's part, particularly given its limited airlift capabilities at the time. Did it have something to do with China's increased competitive stance in the Communist world?
Early and mid-sixties were time of experiments. Then in SEA flew different exotic platforms, like Hilo Hattie RC-54 and Brave Bull RC-97. Probably, this naval C-47 was one of those experimental planes, used to test new equipment. But i can't find any info about it.
According Il-14. For example, this one was caught over Plain of Jars while providing Patet Lao forces. Can't remember source, ACIG maybe.
And here's soviet Li-2, crashed in Laos
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Also, if we're talking about C-47 in NAM, does anybody know anything about this strange plane?
Photo from C-47 in action.
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Gremlin Task Force and Armee de l'Air japanese planes
in Aircraft WWII
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Hello all!
I plan to build 1/72 L2D-3 Tabby and Ki-21 Sally for my French Indochina collection. Now i collect information about their service with GTF and Armee de l'Air and i have some questions.
According to Avions magazine No 078, one L2D-3 served with GT I/34 and it was one of ex-GTF planes (№27 - Fanny's Frolic). In Aero Journal No 14 was good article about final of it's career, and this photo was added:
It corresponds to this source - http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2013/05/the-gremlin-task-force-part-1.html
According to this blog, Fanny's Frolic was painted white over natural metal and had SEAC markings over green surrender crosses, later Armee de l'Air roundels were added.
Osprey's book Wings of the Rising Sun says that "No fewer than seven L2D2s were also flown by the Armee de l'Air's Groupe de transport I/34... ". In book "Japanese aircraft in foreign service vol. 1" we may see this photo:
This Tabby wears french roundels and also number 27 on vertical tail. Looks like two different planes served in Armee de l'Air and had same number. Could it be so?