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Roger Holden

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About Roger Holden

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  1. Never knew that. Sounds like we need a book on the early Liberators to accompany your excellent 'Consolidated Mess'...........
  2. Have just looked at good in-service close-ups of Gauntlet, Gladiator, Gordon, Heyford, Vildebeest, Valentia and every one is clearly NMF (dull silver). Only one i can find which *may* be painted is Woodcock. Painting seems like a complete waste of effort as corrosion-resistant material. Possibly the restored plane has non-functioning wires made from ferrous material (?).
  3. IMO, the turquoise-like Lt Blue 23 went out of use well before the introduction of the A-N colour standards. I've seen proprietary colour charts from paint manufacturers like Fuller and Sherwin-Williams from the 1933-36 period which show colours denoted as 'Fuselage Blue' or 'Light Blue' (pretty obvious what the intended use was), which are much closer to True Blue, than to that early turquoise shade. So I think that kind of shade was probably what was used on the P-26/B-10. I think the 'turquoise' shade was probably that used on the first generation of 'blue' aircraft (O-2H, PT-3,etc).
  4. Not black, AFAIK. The streamlined Raf-wires were stainless steel, so a bright silver when new, fading to a a silver-grey in service. German WW1 were usually stranded steel cable and probably greased, so a gunmetal/metallic grey colour.
  5. Sorry, but it's a W8b, not a W10. The latter was a derivative of the Hyderabad bomber, with similarly-angular tail surfaces. which are an instant recognition feature.
  6. The colours of these aircraft present no mystery and there is a complete book devoted to them ('Blue Goose' Command Aircraft of the US Navy, in the 'Naval Fighters' series by Steve Ginter.) The complete official painting regulations for such aircraft are included at the back of the book. The yellow upper wing is correct (but not those red bands....). Lukgraph's kits are good quality, but some of their research is poor as some of the American aircraft are based on the not very accurate Wylam drawings which were made in the 1940s. FS colour references are not 'exact' as the FS colour charts only came out in the 1950s (?), so they are someone's near 'guess'. Colour chips of the exact colours were in the Monogram series on painting US Navy aircraft and are the best guide.
  7. Almost certainly a re-release as the previous issue was under the now moribund MPM label.
  8. Glad I didn't rush to buy the SBS resin kit..... I think we'll see a few more injection kits of Schneider planes.
  9. Following a mid-air collision involving a DH18 and Farman Goliath in 1922. This accident was the first serious one between airliners and brought forth a whole raft of safety regulations, including the introduction of navigation lights and rules for passing between oncoming airliners based on nautical practice: https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19220407-0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1922_Picardie_mid-air_collision
  10. No need; your photos have eloquently answered my questions.
  11. Looking at those photos Moa attached, I would say they are indeed Battleship Grey (a semi-matt medium grey). One of the most common colours for metal cowl panels on WWI British aircraft. Nothing unusual or contentious there at all.....
  12. 'Green' should be khaki as on this restoration : http://www.peckaeroplanerestoration.com/projects/curtiss-jn-4-canuck/ In the same ballpark as British PC10 or US Olive Drab.
  13. Doubt whether I will ever build an HP, but I look forward to seeing your suitably 'blinged-out' example .
  14. Gold is *extremely* unlikely in the early 1920s. There were only gold and silver dopes back then, suitable only for the fabric surfaces (and usually made by stirring gold or silver powder into clear dope). The metal cowl parts were normally painted with enamel and suitable metallic-coloured enamels only appeared in the 1930s. Indeed, the US Navy couldn't source a suitable silver paint for the metal parts on its silver-doped aircraft until the mid-1930s, why they had to keep painting them with navy grey enamel. Metal parts in the 1920s were typically painted dark blue/green/red/grey/black enamel (similar to the car bodies of the era).
  15. Dora Wings themselves were selling the 1/72 Proctors for £14 at Telford and also the SM-55 flying boat at £35 vs Hannants price of £64. Someone is being mightily ripped off. Not buying any of their kits from British suppliers in future.....
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