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chopper61

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  1. I would go with that David and add that the spinners are the same colour as the broad cheat, silver prop blades with yellow tips and maybe de-icing strips too. Again I am taking it for granted as they were most of the the time around then. Possibly, the 'Merchant Venturer' could be in yellow? If you are trying Aerospace Bristol then fingers crossed they can give you the real gin on the scheme. Good luck David. Linz
  2. Yes, good spotting TheyJammedKenny. Good news indeed. Thanks. Linz
  3. That would be great if Valom were to do a Viking. Just curious, what is it that gives the game away, so to speak, about the PE frets that makes you suspect that? Cheers, Linz
  4. Cheers John. I hope this all helps David. And may I say, a good call on the Aeroplane Magazine resource. The one thing I am truly thankful for in this forum is the vast wealth of knowledge of history, specs etc you and others have and such a huge range of subjects and your the willingness to share for the good of the community as a whole. Thanks, you certainly helped me.
  5. Hi David, Have you seen this photo of her G-AIMC at Rotorua, NZ during her tour? This is a very sharp, clear closeup and doesn't she look as bright as a button. https://natlib.govt.nz/records/30653827?search[creator]=Not+specified&search[path]=photos&search[text]=british+flags++and+maori If you look at the flags on the side and use them as a greyscale 'shade' reference, knowing the colour shade the red of the Union Jack and the blues of the NZ and Union Jack, could this help you discern whether she was wearing Bristol red or blue? Possibly could the 'Merchant Venturer' be in red and the cheat trim be in the gold? Linz
  6. Hi John, Thanks for the pictures. They are really very interesting. This rightly calls into question then the validity of my previous assumptions about the colours of G-AIMC that David was asking about. Eric Mc/Lazy 8 - great question and response. While I knew the Wayfarer was the all-seater version I had never realised it had a 'solid' or non-functioning nose doors. Looking at my picture of the Wayfarer posted above I now see there are no hinges. Bristol offered the Wayfarer with both a 32 seat 'First Class' version and as a 44 seat 'Standard' or 'Coach class'. As you said Lazy8 trying to sell an all First Class configured Freighter does seem a stretch considering the amount of cheap DC3s there were around then. Even the Viking. BTW there is currently someone selling a Bristol sales brochure for a Mk31 Freighter/Wayfarer on EBAY UK. He has kindly given some examples of the pages in the description which are as fascinating as they are informative. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRISTOL-TYPE-170-MANUFACTURERS-SALES-BROCHURE-FREIGHTER-WAYFARER-1951/193393684182?hash=item2d07296ed6:g:ybsAAOSw2j5ebnqK Sadly, as fascinating as this all is I wish I could help David more in answering his OP. Sorry David. Cheers, Linz
  7. Hi John, Is this the a/c you are referring to? This is a B/W photo of the sales demonstrator from Bristol for Silver City. Bristol 170 (Mk21) demonstrator G-AHJC at Blackbushe Reference - http://www.silvercityairways.com/the_company.htm It does indeed look like it could possibly be a red cheat trimmed with black or dk blue trim and red lettering/reg.
  8. Hi David, Just had a few thoughts about this. From what I can gather, the earliest aircraft I have seen in colour which went to airline service were to Silver City. An old Silver City related chap I met one time said they adopted their aircraft in the same 'Bristol' colours as delivered as SC was running on a pretty tight budget at the time and didn't want to pay for any fancy artwork. I have to admit when they started up they were pretty austere times so it does seem possibly correct. SC's colours were mid/dark blue and natural unpolished metal with grey (sometimes) bars over/under the wing around the engine nacelles, presumably to protect against exhaust soot or ease of cleaning). Now here is the tricky and the 'leap of faith' bit. Looking at B&W photos of Silver City aircraft , a sister ship G-AIME and G-AGVC, the general layout of the livery is the same. The shade (?) in the B&W photos are the same, or well similar to the Geoff Goodall pictures of G-AMIC. I willing to bet on a hunch the colourised photo of the car loading and crowd is probably correct and based on someone saying so who was there or some other bona fide reference they had. Looking at the photo on the Goodall webpage showing the ship at Essendon and later at Cairns I am willing to bet that the livery is: 1. Upper fuselage over cockpit hump - white (Tropical coverage to reflect heat) 2. Lower fuselage, nacelles upper tail and upper/lower wings - natural unpolished metal (no grey nacelle or wing exhaust barring) 3. Upper fuselage (rear from wing trailing edge ) and upper broad cheat - dark blue (but not as dark as say Insignia Blue) 4. Upper cheat lower trim - red or light blue 5. Lower (thin) cheat line - dark blue 6. Signage and registration to tail and wings - dark blue 7. Signage to front port fuselage and listing of visited places - dark blue with red/gold lining to the name "Freighter." Getting liveries correct is fundamental I know. And using b&w photos any colour reference is extremely inexact but then using old colour photos can be too. I at least think these colours are very plausible. Of course, failing that you could use you best guess scheme as you see it, display a finished model at a show and I bet someone will come up, have a look and say with great authority "That's not right. It should be.... I know because I have a picture etc.etc. Bingo. (I say this jokingly). The Aerospace Bristol page you want is here. Good luck David.
  9. Hello David. I have looked through my stash of Mk 21 photos but alas no joy. No doubt you are using the Geoff Goodall webpage as a main source of information. When you say the colourised photo are you referring to the one on Facebook with the crowd around and the car being posed as loading? It does look pretty plausible going by the colours of the clothing and car but it just doesn't quite distinguish the thin trim colour underneath the broad upper cheat line, does it? I wonder how the person judged the colours to be that anyway. I wonder what the colourists reference was? Surely not a pure guess. You could try asking Aerospace Bristol at Filton if they have any better photos or information. Sorry I can't be of more help. Linz
  10. Muddyf et al, I have been able to find my brother's copy of the Mk32 Maintenance Manual (circa 1953). I am happy to share some of these images with you here. I hope these will help you with what you are looking for in the way of information. I have other areas of the airframe covered also should you want any other details. Muddy, I hope you go ahead and make up your MK32 and post your progress on here. I don't know why I love this butt ugly plane but I do, as I do most British Transport a/c of the 50s and 60s. Just as an aside, my brother got his copy of the manual from an engineer working in the hangers at Lydd when he went down there one day back in the 70s to fix up some telephone lines for the control tower. Not only that, he also bummed a tour of the Instone Mk31 that had just come out of repair following its return to the UK from NZ. And...the swine got an invite to go on a test flight. Jammy beggar.
  11. Hi Muddyf, Just wondered if you had come across the following two interior photos I have just found on the British Caledonian (BCal) site. Interior looking into a Mk32 Interior looking out Linz
  12. Yup, you are dead right info on this aircraft is very thin on the ground. When gleaning any information for my own builds I have gone with whatever I can lay my hands on on the web. Totally agree the comic cutaways are pure 'rendition of the maybe'. Sounds like you have a real soft spot for the old girl just like me. I also take it you are going to do a real detail job on the interior. Good for you. I have that same dream to do likewise one day. The maintenance manual is the way to go without a doubt. I reckon it has all the detail you will need bar the actual dimensions for the front doors. It also has detail blow up drawings of the door hinges and their housings as well as the rodding/hydraulics for the opening mechanism which is hidden under the cockpit flooring. My copy of the manual had to be returned to my brother back in the UK so sadly I don't have it to hand. I see you are in Bristol, so the Mk31 you are referring to is the one at the Filton museum? I suppose you have approached them already. Sorry I can't help any further. Good luck, Linz
  13. If you want internal cutaways of the aircraft then look out for the Bristol Type 170 Mk32 Maintenance Manuals that come up from time to time on Ebay. This has beautiful cutaways of the interior car area, the doors and their interior details and the passenger seating arrangement but few if any interior or other dimensions . If you want, possibly the only definitive history with some drawings and loads of history of all marks and liveries then look out for the book The Bristol 170: Freighter, Wayfarer and Superfreighter by Derek King. This is currently out of publication but again comes up on Ebay and sometimes secondhand via Amazon but at the moment be prepared to pay some quite significant amounts of silly money. Be careful with looking at Mk 21/31 references with regard to the cargo hold for a Mk32 as there were some significant changes that took place when they added the nose extension, especially to the layout of the pipework, ventilation and Main wing spar covering/housing etc in the ceiling. I think the cockpit layout had very few changes. I do have some other cutaways for the Mk32 but they are not to scale and come from various comics and magazines of the 50's and 60's but as to 1/72nd scale interior drawings then I can't help you. I would love a set myself. Cheers, Linz
  14. Flory Models has done a review of the Mk21 version on Youtube: A pretty fair review, Phil. I think the boy has a soft spot for the old girl. Interesting to see the panel detail was vastly different from the old Airfix one. Not meaning the millions of rivets but rather the panel lines for the fuselage and wings. I wonder where and on what airframe the FLY chaps did their prototype research for this kit? No Internal detail has been included which really is a shame. Front doors are fixed shut. Glad to see the flawed canopy and engines have been addressed and they look pretty good. Plus, the glasswork for the front doors but I think it will mean a fair bit of cutting. The air intakes inboard of the engines also have a far better representation (with an internal air splitter included). The cockpit is also more detailed and the props look better too. Hmm, I wonder if a decent MK32 could be done with grafting the Airfix front onto the body of the Fly Mk31 ? Furthermore, I see that 26 Decals are doing decals for MK31 - Aer Turas, Dan Air and BKS. Thank guys. I am thankful to FLY for going out and doing this kit. But even as a limited run kit, with no internal fuselage or clam door detail I think this is a pretty expensive kit for what you get. Mmmm. I still haven't made up my mind if I will go for one or both versions or stick with detailing and modifying my four old Airfix kits I still have in my stash. The first aircraft I ever flew on back in the sixties from Lydd. I even remember watching the loading of my old man's Ford Consul onto a British United 32 and him buying his obligatory stick of 200 No6 fags on the way over from the stewardess. Happy days. I also remember going down again to Lydd in the very early 70s and seeing them lined up along the entry road, prop, tail and engine-less awaiting scrapping. Sad days.
  15. Sorry for coming to the party a bit late on this post. British United Air Ferries Mk 31 G-ANMF (and Mk32 (Airfix kit) if possible with the windows cut out - The S&M versions were a solid line with no window holes) Instone Mk 31 Silver City Mk 21/31 Air Ferry Mk 21/31 (not 100% sure on which Mk they flew but pretty sure it was Mk31s. They also flew Viking C2s, DC4s and Viscounts, all out of Manston in Kent ) BEA Thanks.
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