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Olivier de St Raph

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  1. Hello to all, After the P-51D Mustang "Missouri Armada", here I am, back again, for a new Mustang project, but in the vehicles section this time . I love the Ford Mustang Convertible in her vintage version of about 1965, especially in the Red color. But, very curiously, there is not a single kit, at any scale, of this wonderful and legendary car: This photo shows a Ford Mustang 1965 that belongs to the father of a good friend of mine, and I am going to go and meet him - he doesn't live too far from me -. He kindly sent to me a few photos of his amazing Convertible Mustang, exactly the one I'd like to represent. Of course, I will complete these photos by many other ones I will do when I meet him... There are a few versions of the hard top one, but I clearly prefer the Convertible. So I decided to buy the quite recent Revell 1/24 kit, and to modify it to get the Convertible of my dreams: I would have preferred a bigger scale, but the only proposition one is the old and probably quite poor AMT 1/16 one: I should get tomorrow the Revell kits (I bought 2 sets on the Conrad site, considering the low cost of this kit, and in order to have replacement parts in case of problem). For info, the 2 sets are less than 40€ including shipping... I hope this build will get followers interested. Cheers Olivier P.S: before beginning this new thread, I have checked in Britmodeller if someone had ever built this Convertible vintage Mustang but no, no one did that. I just found this in the Ready for inspection section, a fastback version build from the same Revell kit, by MikeGTC: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=14&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi0iIGgwpfcAhXIvRQKHeW2CewQFgh8MA0&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.britmodeller.com%2Fforums%2Findex.php%3F%2Ftopic%2F234986065-revell-1965-ford-mustang%2F&usg=AOvVaw23A8SlcekIQQb2BDMrigX_ Mike used a Torch Red from Zero Paints. Originally, the Mustang in 1965 could have 2 kinds of red color, the Rangoon one and the Poppy one (the Mustang of my fathers' friend is a Poppy Red version): I will have to choose the version and to try to get an authentic one, a first challenge... The Torch Red Mike used seems to correspond rather to the Rangoon Red. Very nice but I think I prefer the Poppy Red, kind of Coral color that I love...
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    Another example to illustrate the simplicity and age of this kit: the pedals...
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    You can have an idea of the basic side of such a kit just by looking at the instructions. Only 3 pages for an 1/16 car kit, we are far from the actual standards... And in the same time, it is the only way to build such a legendary car, and yet, by moving the Coupe into a Convertible! Definitely, the civilian modelers, especially for vintage models, are the poor parents in the modelers family... For me who also build aircraft models, the difference is huge... Sorry, I repeat myself, but impossible to understand that such a car has been completely forgotten by premium manufacturers! Well, it was my rant of the day. Now, only one thing to do, after the doubts, face the challenges... P.S: I have just sent a message to Round2LLC, the actual owner of AMT, in which I ask if they could send me 2 more stock car tyres, and also 2 more wide rims (part 324 step 5) to go with. In addition, I have complained about the part 5 (step 12), that was damaged. I will keep you informed of the result of that request, but Round2LLC seems to be a real company.
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    Thanks Ron for your help. Though, I have checked in the site for which you kindly put the link, and I couldn't find what I was looking for. At the moment, I am discovering small and small this kit and I begin my preparation by cleaning the main parts water and washing liquid. I recall I have not yet prepared the parts (remove the flashs and moulds lines). I will not do a complete and boring review. Just a few comments and photos: Conclusion: I just began to check some points, and I ever see that there will be a lot do if I want to get a quite convincing result!! There are for sure many other errors and approximants on this old kit. Will I have the necessary skills for such a challenge?? It is obvious that many parts will have to be scratch built. I also have to decide if the doors will be openable or not. In theory, the kit gives the possibility to open them, as of course the hood...
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    I have checked on both Spotmodel and Scale Auto Perfect sites, no car accessories for the 1/16 scale, but only for 1/12, 1/20 and 1/24. So I have 2 options: - use the classic hubcaps, with the 3 point stars, and with the narrow tyres (default option). The only advantage of this option is that I would get a more authentic 1965 Mustang, like the one we could see in the movie "le gendarme de St Tropez" with Louis de Funès, first appearance of our car in a movie): - buy a second box of this AMT kit: this 2nd kit could be useful for my build, in case of trouble, but I deeply regret that AMT did not provide 4 wide tyres... I am gonna try, however, to see if it is possible to get these 2 additional tyres from AMT, by asking them friendly... N.B: notice how the car seems to be small compared with the character (nevertheless rather small himself) on the first pic, I have read somewhere that the version seen on that movie, kind of preproduction, was smaller than the definitive one. L’effet est d’autant plus fort que le véhicule n’est pas encore lancé sur les chaînes de production: "Le modèle qui apparaît dans le film est plus petit que celui qui sera construit dans les mois qui suivent." (Tendance Ouest)
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    The dimensions of Bernard's tyres are 225/60/14. Let's check if the AMT stock tyre has the same ones or nearly so at 1/16: 1) Width: 225 mm : 16 = 14 mm. The AMT is 13,5 mm (a good surprise for me, who expected a too wide AMT stock tyre). 2) Height of the tyre in % of the width: 0,6 x 225 = 135 mm. 135 : 16 = 8,43 mm and the AMT height of the sidewall is 8,73 mm. Here too, a good result, less than 5% different 3) 14 inches = 356 mm 356 : 16 = 22,25 mm and the AMT rim width is 25 mm. Conclusion: the AMT stock car tyres and rims are in accordance (or nearly so) with Bernard's ones, even if the rims are not the same. Edit conclusion: BIG PROBLEM: I had not checked, but AMT provides only 2 wide tyres for the rear wheels. A problem as I bought only 1 kit... Any suggestion welcome.... I can't imagine having wide wheels on the rear and narrow ones on the front!! The problem is that aftermarket parts are probably not frequent at 1/16...
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    I have organized all my photos in files (in french): If I open the file "Roues" (wheels), for example, I see this: We can see that there are several options for the wheels, the kit offers 2 ones: N.B: 1) I have just opened the box and made that photo to show the 2 options, but the parts have not yet been correctly prepared 2) I have not yet chosen the option I will use. Of course, I won't represent a stock car version, but it would be very possible, however to use the latter wheels with a classic body. I admit I don’t like very much the classic hubcaps, quite cheap (originally, the Ford Mustang was an « economical » car... ) 3) it was a good idea from AMT to provide optional polystyren whitewall overlays (very difficult to apply white paint on rubber), but the photos I found show that it should be very partial and not total: 4) here is below another option, not provided in the kit and quite frequent (it is among others the one present on Bernard's car): Personally, I like very much these rims, and they are a good compromise between the classic ones, a bit "cheap" and the quite big stock ones but I would have to scratch build them, a big challenge, and more, I am not sure they did exist in 1965. Conclusion : the decision must be taken by looking at 1965 Convertible Mustang equipped with either classic or stock rims. And indisputably, the latter give a dynamic look that fits well to the design of that Pony Car, like on this gorgeous blue GT. Notice that the AMT rims are very faithful to the original, just too bright (I will remove the Chrome and will paint them with probably the Super Metallic Chrome Silver SM06 on a black base): More, if you consider that my Chevy Bel Air Convertible 1957 is ever equipped with classic hubcaps (I had scratch built the 3. stars), you will understand that I shall probably use the stock rims...
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    A P-51D Mustang of the 357 th F.G (Old Crow) near a 1965 Convertible Mustang: my last build and the next one side by side... Thanks to Bernard for this photo.
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    I look forward to see this new project, and to your Mef progress too, Sam. On my side, great new, I have got today the AMT 1/16 Coupe Mustang kit, and in addition, this morning, I could meet Bernard and his amazing Convertible 1965 Pony car. Of course, I made a lot of photos. So now it gets serious! I could confirm that the Coral Red of my post# 25 is very close from the one of his car (Rangoon Red). I will maybe just add a little bit of X-8 (yellow) to my mix. I will come-back on the AMT kit for a more complete review, but I must say that it doesn't look bad. Of course, we are not at Tamiya current standards, but the quality looks much better than the Fiat 806 Italeri kit, without mentioning the accuracy... More soon...
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    Thanks Sam, glad to have news from you! Are you still working on the Fiat Mefisto? All the best Olivier
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    In my internet researchs, I could find this Revell (Monogram reissue I think) kit at 1/24: As far as I know available only on ebay (24,95$ + 25,88$ international shipping...), this kit is probably quite old but it may give the opportunity to build the Convertible version at 1/24 without converting from a Coupe version. If some of you are interested... I hope I will get soon my AMT 1/16 kit. And tomorrow, rdv with Bernard and photo shoot (I hope it will be possible to do photos of the underbody), so more pics soon...
  12. Thanks a lot Laurent for these kind words. And thanks again for your great contribution during my build. Cheers Olivier
  13. Hello to all, after nearly 8 months of research, sharing and partial scratchbuild from the Tamiya 1/48 kit, I have the pleasure to present you my last baby, the P-51 D-10-NA "Missouri Armada", Capt John B. England, of the 362th F.S, 357th F.G, 8th Air Force: I want to thank here all the contributors and followers without whom I would never have been able to get such a result. Main contributors: - Juan Manuel Villalba: I probably would not have built this replica if Juan had not asked me to do the translation (subtitles) for his great DVD dedicated to this aircraft. Even if I sometimes made different choices than him (rivets, seat cushion, White Alu primer applied, Satin finish rather than mat etc.), many of the techniques I used were learnt from this master (and friend). A big hug to you, dear Juan, who were also and in all circumstances one of my best supporters (in private mail conversations)! - Antonio Argudo: Antonio is an expert of the Mustang and a great modeler (his cockpit is just amazing) and he brought me so many useful docs and infos for months. I look forward him to find the time to go on with his build. You can ever see his thread: 1/32 Tamiya P-51D Mustang "Missouri Armada" on Britmodeller, of course! - John Terrell: another expert who learnt us so much for weeks. John is an artist too, who made the very realistic drawings for simulators. Pity, John has vanished these last weeks, I could not have news from him, hope he feels OK. - Laurent (silberpferd), another Mustang expert who brought great and very useful pics (bottom views, 108 gallon tanks and pressure line outlet, tail wheel canvas, gunsight etc.) - Fencer-1 (Alexey), who brought very accurate infos about panels and flaps Other contributors and followers (in the order of posting): - Biggles 87: another expert and fan of the Mustang, I have to go and see his threads on Brit! - Crimea River, important contributor and follower, as Biggles 87, from the beginning to the end - Hannes, my friend of the "Fiat 806 research and scratchbuild" thread (soon 200 pages on Brit!!). A great artist! - ronnierex - Squibby - Harvey, other friend and actually amazing full scratchbuilder of the Fiat 806... - Houston, a Mustang, 357th F.G and Missouri Armada fan, very encouraging and enthusiast - Bedders - Troy Smith (and not Troll !) - delis - Mattlow, important contributor too, especially for the Alclad stencils - DJJunis - gingerbob - matto21 - DMC - Garry c - NickD (another friend and contributor from the Fiat 806 saga...) - Ol' Scrapiron - Torbjorn - Plasto - Jamie @Sovereign Hobbies - thammond65 - Rumblestripe - sharknose156, another member of the "806 dream team"... I didn't expect finding another "dream team" like I did when I began the "Missouri" thread... - galfa - Tourist, definitely another Mustang expert, who suggested necessary corrections for the early version the Missouri was. - quangster - ArmouredSprue - T-21 - elger, always very encouraging and who brought very useful pics, especially for the wheel bays and landing light... - Johnny1000 - Scooby - Azgaron (Håkan), whose positive and encouraging comments have been very appreciated in the last weeks of my build/ thread. - CrazyCrank: another great modeler that I luckily knew on the Fiat 806 thread. I must go and see his progress on his great 1/8 Pocher Bugatti T50 thread... The short break I will do before beginning a new build will leave me the time for that. - crobinsohn - pipthepilot - Kahunaminor - seven - Blackcollar Internet has moved our hobby in another dimension: all the Brit members I just mentioned come from all over the world, and their contribution and support was essential for such a project . We are far from the modeler working alone in his corner. Thanks to that sharing space that is Britmodeller, I could try to recreate a really faithful replica of that aircraft. But internet has also his drawbacks, and my local dealer, Kits Discounts, is about to close, as many other ones before, what we may just deeply regret. The pleasure to come in the shop, to dream in front of so many kits, to touch, to smell, all what we have all known, is small and small disappearing, the old world, with real contacts. My next build should be the Revell 1/18 Ford T 1912, for which I will probably open a new thread. All the best to all and thanks again for following and helping. Olivier, July 6th, 2018 (I had to check on Reverso for the date in english, it is yet a problem for me ...)
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    Thanks a lot JeroenS for these kind and encouraging words. I look forward to begin this build (I should get the AMT kit in less than 10 days). One thing is sure: my emotional coefficient is at 100%, because I really love this gorgeous Pony Car. About that, I don't understand that premium kits manufacturers like Tamiya, Ebbro, that have a wide range, does not offer such models. I am sure they would be hits. We may see that this color is quite close from the 2 ones below: Another personal reason to avoid the X7 color, Pure Red, is that it is the one I used for my Fiat 806. And the same for the Bright Orange, that would be nearly the same than my Aventador, as we could see above. Indeed, all these models will be exposed in the same room. Now that the (important) question of the body color and lacquer surface is nearly solved, I have to focus on many other aspects.
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    Here is the result of my mix X7/ X6. The result is a bit too orange for me, and I will not choose the Poppy Red, but now, I know I can get a very nice state of surface with just the paints and products I ever have. A good new for me (and I hope for other car modelers), not for manufacturers (sorry)... N.B: for the acrylic base coat, I recommend to put more alcohol than paint (60/40). So, you will get a very fine grain, a condition for a good final result... And in the same vein, don't add Tamiya Paint Retarder... I am working now on finding the best combination of acrylic paints to get the Coral Red color I want for my Mustang. A mix of X-7, X-2, X-3 and X-6. Indeed, we could see through many examples that the same color could give different perceptions. In such conditions, why not try to get my favorite color, maybe a compromise between the Rangoon Red (a bit too "Cherry" on some pics, especially the one on the post# 22) and the Poppy Red, too Orange...
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    This is a screen capture of a video I found on YouTube, showing a Poppy Red Mustang: You can see the difference with Bernard's car (my post# 7 above): on the latter, the contrast with the red lights is low, confirming that his car is indeed a Rangoon Red Mustang (rather a pinkish Red). I have to choose between both colors. I also found this: we may see here both reds, Poppy and Rangoon: I must say that this Poppy Red is a bit too Orange for me. I finally prefer the Rangoon Red, more in touch with the image of the Ford Mustang imho. I am sorry if these considerations were a bit boring for the reader, with many fluctuations from me...
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    More trials to come, especially a mix of Tamiya acrylics X6 (orange) and X7, thinned at about 50/50 with alcohol but without adding Paint Retarder. I get a very fine grain paint, with a mat aspect, but I learned from Zero Paints that the base coat may be mat (and it seems that it is the finish you get with these paints), it doesn’t matter, it is the varnish that will bring the brightness... The problem is to find a very good varnish. The Zero Paints ones are certainly great, but I found that the Alclad Klear Kote was great too. The acrylic coat dries very quickly, because of the alcohol thinning. Meanwhile, I prefer to wait at least 2 hours before applying the Alclad Klear Kote. The goal of these new trials is to get the finest grain possible, and in the same time, to get a quite convincing Poppy Red. More soon... I recall that no primer was used, and only 1 coat of paint applied... In other words, a very simple technique, a fine grain and a very thin coat, allowing to keep the maximum of details. I have learnt something important with these trials, and I confirm I won't need additional paints, varnishes or any other product. Another advantage of using the Tamiya acrylics as paint base coat is that we usually have many references in this range, allowing easy mixes to get precisely the color desired.
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    The Poppy Red would rather be a bright intense orange, if I refer to the color references: Close-up: A color that recalls me the one of my Lamborghini Aventador, built in 2015: Notice how, following the conditions of light, the same color may give very different perceptions (the Orange is much darker on the 2nd pic)... The colors are probably the most difficult thing to control...
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    N.B: Bernard has sent me an email. Unlike what I thought (and wrote above), his Mustang is Rangoon Red and not Poppy Red. We all know that we can't have a very good perception of color with photos, and looking at his beautiful car on the photos, it hardly seemed that she was Poppy Red. Now the question remains: what color for my Mustang? Should I try to recrate an authentic color (and in this case, it will be easier to choose the Rangoon, as I have a reference with Bernard's car) or choose my favorite color? On the net, if I type: Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible Poppy Red, I find this, among many others:
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    You are the very welcome, John! The more, the merrier!
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    Yes, Jo, I know Tamiya has brought these new lacquer paints. But before buying new products, I want to be sure I can't get a very good result with what I ever have. The manufacturers have a lot of imagination to always sell the maximum of products. I am sure these new LP paints are excellent (as nearly all Tamiya products) but my feeling is that I probably don't need them, as I don't need the Zero Paints. If I can't get the great mirror lacquer effect with what I have, OK, I will try new options and order. I have learnt a lot from my master and friend Juan Manuel Villalba, famous aircraft modeler, who bewares of mode effects and inflation of new products (for weathering, fe) but who do trials until he finds the good combination and gets amazing results with a minimum of products. And now look at the result I get just by using the Fine and Finish Tamiya compounds on my samples: 1) Right side: No primer, X7 Tamiya enamel paint thinned with Tamiya Lacquer Thinner / Alclad Klear Kote/ Compounds: 2) Left side: X7 Tamiya acrylic thinned with 96° alcohol and a small drop of Tamiya Paint retarder/ Alclad Klear Kote/ Compounds: My conclusions: 1) I can get a fine result without buying and stocking new references. I ever have problems of room for all the products I have: 2) I have nearly the same good results with acrylic Tamiya paints than with enamel ones. 3) I will use nitrile gloves to handle the painted parts to avoid fingerprints (you can see some on the 2nd photo) 4) Now, I have to try to get the Coral Red by mixing paints, what will not be the easiest... Well, I am glad with these results. Would I have better ones with LP references or with Zero Paints ones? I would have probably ordered the latter if they had the authentic Poppy Red, to simplify my work, but as they don't, I won't.
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    Thanks for that info, Corsair (sorry, I cut your name ). Here is the result of my first trials: the red paint has been applied directly (no primer) on the white plastic. I made trials on both doors, with both acrylic and enamel X7 Tamiya (enamel on the right door). I precise that for now, I want to get a lacquer look, but not necessary the Coral color. On the paint base, after several hours drying, I have tested the X22 Tamiya acrylic varnish (not very good result) and the Alclad Klear Kote, giving a good result but not excellent, because of a small grain effect. I didn't use the Tamiya Compounds for these first trials. I must say that, if I may avoid a primer, I would prefer... Any suggestion welcome...
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    Here is approximately what should be the color of my Mustang. I will check it with Bernard's one. But Zero Paints, as far as I know, does not have this color in their wide range. On my side, I have done trials because I wonder if I really need this paint. I never used that brand, I know car modelers swear by this product. It is to mention that with these paints, you get a mat aspect, and it is only their varnish that gives the gloss finish. In such conditions, it is permitted to wonder if I could just use their varnish on a Tamiya acrylic or enamel paint...
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    Yes, I am but the AMT kit is precisely a 1965 version, the one I want to represent... Thanks a lot, my dear Harvey! I hope I won't disappoint you... but I look forward, very excited, to begin this build. It will change me to have a maximum of infos on a model, while we had just a few BW docs for the Fiat 806... It will recall me the 1/25 Chevy Bel Air 57 Convertible build, for which I wrote an article for TMM. But for the latter, Revell gave the possibility to build a Convertible version, providing the cover (that I had improved by adding folds and buttons). Cheers Olivier
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    Ford Mustang 1965 Convertible 1/16 from the Coupe AMT kit

    Another option would be to represent a GT model (Bernard's one is not a GT). Here is a GT model in cream color, gorgeous too: This would mean some modifs as the AMT kit doesn't represent a GT: - Fog lights inside the calender - exit of exhausts in the lower valance panel (correct me if my translation is not good!) - the dashboard seems to be completely different too, with round meters instead of the linear one - stickers on the underbody etc. Conclusion: I will certainly not represent a GT...
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