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Wow. Absolutely stunning build. Superb panels and rivets. Also, gotta love the detail of the weathering.
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AWESOME BUILD. Love the modulation on the colors and the shading.
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Stunning!👌 Gotta love vintage USN stuff.
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On 6/17/2018 at 5:05 AM, Aardvark said:
As the Russian proverb says "Morning, evenings are more sophisticated". Some of the keys to solving this puzzle I managed to find. First of all, I was able to translate this article in color with the help of an interpreter, Google. (At night, the translator refused to translate for some reason.)
http://www.jbg37.de/html/mig-17f_tarnschema_.html
"The appearance MiG-17F experienced during the use of this type of aircraft in the JBG-37 different conversions.
The MiG-17F in the JBG-37 were the only MiG-17F LSK of the GDR, which received a camouflage as insert machines.When setting up the squadron of the JG-7 MiG-17F was taken uncut in duralumin.
The camouflage of the MiG-17F was parallel to the conversion of the aircraft on the rocket container "MARS II" in the aircraft yard in Dresden.
The conversion of the MiG-17F in the JBG with the "MARS II" container began with the formation of the squadron from 1971 and ended in 1974/75.
The first aircraft, which were converted in 1971 and 1972, were left "silvery".From 1973, the first camouflage paint was applied to the aircraft to be converted. This first camouflage consisted of a light green - light brown paint color.
From 1974/75, the remaining "silver" MiG-17F, including those that already had the "MARS II" container, received a dark green camouflage paint.
In the early 80s, the camouflage was changed again. It became now the usual color and camouflage scheme of the LSK / LV,
the dark green chlorine BUNA camouflage used."Proceeding from this, my assertion of incorrect restoration in the museum can not be true!
Probably, the museum and the instructions HobbyBoss show the colors as of 1974/75 year's!
Then I became interested in what is "camouflage scheme of the LSK / LV,"
the "dark green chlorine BUNA"???Search Google and:
Modellers from Germany had exactly the same questions as here!
How write in this Germany forum:
"For the mixed colors the TGL basic colors are described and in the network there are tables for their conversion into e.g. RAL colors. The information probably comes from the order A 113/1/001 - paintings for aircraft, helicopters and Fla missiles in troop repair"
From which we can conclude that the DDR had its own paint standard TGL, which is confirmed by Wikipedia:
http://www.mobadaten.info/wiki/TGL-Farbregister
.... the fact that some samples of the original paint are on sale:
https://www.militaerlacke.de/lack/1kkunstharzlacke/nva/olivgruen2425tgl21196.php
and the camouflage application was regulated "order A 113/1/001".
This completely refutes the allegations:
"It has never given a real standardisation in the NVA (East German army), my Dad said."
from this topic:
Thus, we know that some of the NVA DDR MiG:
- painted with the colors of the DDR production with the corresponding DDR standard TGL;
- camouflage based on the order A 113/1/001;
- painting was made in Dresden.
But what specific colors did they paint? Perhaps the attachment in this thread the German forum
https://www.flugzeugforum.de/threads/frage-zu-lackierung-mig-1966-1990.41683/
provides an answer to this question, but they can not be seen without registering with the German forum.
B.R.
Serge
On 6/16/2018 at 5:32 PM, Aardvark said: Why are these colors sloppy?
HobbyBoss indicated in the instructions is quite correct color!
Here are photos of this MiG-17 in colors that coincide with those that indicated HobbyBoss.
The problem is that these colors are indicated as of today!
This is the color of the aircraft that is in the museum's exposition in Gatov. In the museum it was restored and repainted. Here you can see photos of the various stages of life of this aircraft.
http://www.jbg37.de/html/905.htm
The problem is that apparently the MiG-17 NVA DDR had three shades:
http://www.jbg37.de/html/mig-17f_tarnschema_.html
During the restoration probably used one type shadow which the
used on MiG-21/23/29, Su-22 and some MiG-17, but they were not used on this MiG-17 a/n "905" red!
Thus, in such a color scheme, the restorers museum are more to blame than HobbyBoss!
But what exactly are the equivalent colors of this MiG-17 a/n "905"
for me a mystery! Perhaps the owners of this very good site can help you:
http://www.jbg37.de/html/impressum.html
B.R.
Serge
P.S.
Almost all NVA DDR MiG-17 Jagdbombenfliegergeschwader 37 Klement Gottwald (NVA):
http://www.jbg37.de/html/verbleib_mig-17.html
P.P.S.
NVA DDR MiG-17 have some differences from original version. How written here:
https://military.wikireading.ru/29026
"In 1973, in the GDR, by the aircraft repair plant in Dresden, a number of MiG-17F fighter-bombers were upgraded to fighter-bombers. When upgrading the aircraft, components imported from Poland were used, including underwing pylons for hanging weapons, NAR MARS-2 blocks, radio altimeter RV-UM. All these units were developed in Poland for its own fighter-bomber modification of the MiG-17F. The East Germans also changed the composition of the airborne and instrumental equipment of the aircraft, set the sight of the ASP-2NM.
The East German fighter-bomber MiG-17F, although it had much in common with a similar Polish conversion, was not its copy. So in the DDR did not put in the base of the rudder direction container brake parachute SH-19, mandatory for Polish fighter-bombers. On the lower surfaces of the wing there were no T-shaped antennas of the radio altimeter RV-2, in return for the lower surface of the fuselage along its axis."
Oh my. Thank you so much for the wealth of information! Absolutely stunning work!
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12 hours ago, Corsairfoxfouruncle said:
You could always start with late war RLM colors such as RLM 81 brown-violet & RLM 80 olive green. From there i would modify them to get closer to the photo ?
This is one of the better RLM charts ive come across.
Thanks for the chart!
13 hours ago, Seawinder said:I only meant that it wouldn't be that hard to get pretty close to the colors in the photo, whether or not any hobby paint line carries those exact "official" shades. The dark green looks quite similar to RAF Dark Green or USAF FS 34079 (as in the SEA scheme). Burnt umber might be a starting point for the dark red-brown, or maybe the German WW2 armor color darkened with some umber.
I just did a google search on East German camouflage colors and find this thread, which may be useful. It's not specifically about the Mig-17, but it does reveal that there were in fact no official standard colors for these schemes, and it has some suggested FS numbers for possible matches:
https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/53221-east-german-su-22m4-colours/
Sorry for being obtuse. Thanks for the advice!
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2 hours ago, Seawinder said:
Perhaps do some doctoring to a dark green and a dark brown to get close to the photo?
What do you mean?
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I've been wanting to build an East German MiG and am looking at the Hobbyboss kit with a lot of consideration. However, upon looking up the color guide for the kit, I found that the colors were grossly inaccurate.
As you can see in this photo, the main color is a dark green and the stripes a dark, red-brown.
However, this is the Hobbyboss guide. Although the patterns seem to be correct, the colors are obviously off.
What colors should I use to make this East German MiG?
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4 hours ago, Pete in Lincs said:
A Google search gave a name and description.
Megatech Hekatoncheires Sniping Helicopter: The unique sniping helicopter is Section 6's premier piece of equipment. This chopper is designed specifically for sniping targets at extreme ranges from an airborne position. When the helicopter is in position, the sides fold out and the floor lowers creating a platform for four snipers, two on each side. The snipers jack into "device drivers" which control their cardiovascular functions and ensure weapon stabilization. Once jacked in, the snipers and their "Ultima Ratio" rifles become a part of the helicopter. They use its small targeting pods for extremely accurate target acquisition. There is no more precise sniping system in the world, and with the aid of the AWACS helicopter, the two are an almost unstoppable team. Special Equipment include chaff and flare dispensers, military radio with scrambler and laser communicator, auto pilot and navigation, cybernetic linkage, military radar, terrain-following radar, laser detector, telescopic optics, thermal imaging and microwave rangefinder. It has no weapons except for four snipers armed with "Ultima Ratio" Full-Sensing sniping rifles. All snipers using this system operate as if using the Hawkeye cybernetic eye (+4 bonus second round, +6 third round, +20 2d4 rounds later) except they also gain +1 critical threat rating and the range increment increases by x2. Also, if the shooter fires more than once in a round, his bonus to hit applies to every shot that round. The next round requires a new aiming cycle.
It shows the concept drawing as seen above which
seems to have twin bubble canopy's for two pilots?
The helicopter in the film clip pictures has those odd
bubbles with flat windscreens but no wipers. In the second
picture the upper structure can be seen. The exhausts are
at the rear, unlike a Hind or Puma. The main rotor appears
to have four blades. The 'wings' when deployed, being so
large, would probably blank out half the downforce and make
hovering a bit dicey.
Weird, all in all, but this is the world of anime so anything goes.
I'd probably get (in 1/72) a Hind, a Puma and maybe an NH90?
and chop and change until I had something like. As for those
bubbles, maybe 1/144 bubble canopies?
Thanks for the advice, I knew it took a lot of digging.
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4 hours ago, Scimitar said:
How to make a Mil Mi-24 even uglier!
No Hind has those bulged windows at the pilot's bit. They are fairly useless aren't they..huge areas of obscured vision..not what you want in any flying machine.
Most obvious things:
Cockpit canopy
6 blade main rotor.Not too difficult to make a blade or scrounge a spare from someone.
Big filters on engine intakes (Look like from a Sikorsky HH-53C)
Bigger wings (Do they fold down to close part of the side door?)
Pod on fin instead of tail rotor.
Huge open area on fuselage..much bigger then normal door
Mega huge ginormous cannon type thingy on front.
Certainly looks doable but I wouldn't buy the most expensive Mi-24 kit (That's the canny Scotsman talking)
I would suggest easiest in 1/72.
One thing for sure nobody is going to argue over precise dimensions,or have I spoken too soon.
Richard
PS where's the undercarriage?
Thanks. The wings do fold down and I'm not sure about the undercarriage.
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56 minutes ago, Scimitar said:
Start with a basic Mi-24D.
The pilot's cockpit would need those bulgy window thingies (I think that's the technical term) added but the gunner's looks the same as a normal hind.
The Hinds had the troop carrying cabin and the kit doors could be modded using plasticard.
I have no idea what the rest of it looks like but thats a start for you.
Richard
I cannot find a hind variant with two bulgy window thingies on the top. The helicopter I'm building has twin bulgy thingies on the top.
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Hello,
I'm wanting to kitbash/scratch build a helicopter from the anime film "Ghost in the Shell". What would you recommend I do? It has the features of a Hind, but it has a bay where snipers are perched. Any scale will work. https://goo.gl/images/Yq9vxn
Yours truly,
Sam
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3 hours ago, little-cars said:
Which brush you go for depends on what you are looking to paint.....
If you are looking to paint fiddle camo, then a brush with a large 0.5mm nozzle is not the one to go for and if you want area work then a 0.2mm nozzle will similarly frustrate you.
The Iwata revolution is normally sold as a brush with a 0.5mm nozzle or 0.3mm, The Evolution is sold as a 0.2mm nozzle that is sort of equivalent to the 0.3mm in the Iwata.
The Harder & steenbeck brush is more flexible & futureproof. Different sized cups and 4 different nozzle sets that can be changed in seconds without any tools. The Iwata is a solid dependable brush.
So I would say if you are looking to move from detail work to area work & priming, then the H&S would be the best bet longer term due to it's flexibility in configuration.
Have a look at the UK prices for the H&S Evolution, export price on our's is about $100. I would also suggest looking at the Evolution Silverline as it has a preset handle as standard.
Paul
Thanks for the advice. The H&S is $150 on Amazon with free shipping here in the states. I'd like to get it, but I'm gonna have to do a little more saving.
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9 minutes ago, AngstROM said:
You really MUST try before you buy, if possible -airbrushes are entirely a matter of personal preference. If you can get to a show where a retailer will let you compare brushes, that is a great way to find the best match!
At the time of writing, I have an Iwata Eclipse HP and a H&S Evolution fpc 2-in-1. Both perform similarly and strip/re-assemble very easily. I fitted a quick-connector hose-plug to both, a worthwhile move. The Iwata has a fixed paint cup; the H&S a changeable one (2 volume options supplied). On the other hand, the trigger (spring) pressure can be fine-adjusted on the Iwata brush.
Both tools are of excellent quality, but there is a tangible high-end Japanese (Lexus?) feel to the Iwata, and very much a hewn-from-solid Teutonic (Mercedes?) handle to the Evolution.
I get the definite impression that if I had loads more skill, I would get more out of the H&S than I am able to do right now!
Thanks for the info, I think I'll probably get an Iwata first since it's cheaper and since it'll be my first double action.
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11 minutes ago, Steve Noble said:
Can't comment on the H&S but I've got the Iwata and it's a great reliable brush. Only problem I have with it, is that I find it a bit uncomfortable to use for long periods of time..
Thanks for the info! Really appreciate it.
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I am a relatively new modeler and I'm wanting to upgrade from my current Paasche single action airbrush to a double action. The two that I've seen recommended are the Harder and Steinbeck Evolution and the Iwata-Medea Revolution. The H&S is $150 and the Iwata-Medea is $90. I'm just wondering if the quality for both is the same and if I'm overspending by buying the H&S.
Thanks for the advice,
Sam
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Thanks mate.
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Good job on the build!
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Cool! What kit?
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Thanks m8
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Hello,
DO any of the wonderful chaps of this website know the squadron markings of the Su-24 that was shot down by the Turkish F-16?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Samuel.
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My father is a FedEx pilot.
Confederate States Air Force Mirage F.1
in Ready for Inspection - Aircraft
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Truly great build! Very unique and creative. Keep up the good work.