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Jerry Crandall

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  1. The Focke Wulf factory handbook states the weight of camouflage paint for the A-8 is 4.4 pounds. Ross Finlayson , a Canadian Mosquito pilot, is the person that took the great photos of "Yellow 10" when an American pilot ferried it into Gilze-Rijen airbase in Holland. He told of the interest of he and his pilot friends climbing all over this rare German fighter and somehow they dislodged the pilots seat and left it on the cockpit ledge. Of course, the American pilot was not happy about that. Ross gave me the all of the photos and negatives that he took, which I still have, plus his description of the camouflage colors. Without those photos we would know very little about the camo and markings of "Yellow 10". Cheers, Jerry
  2. Years ago we were asked to come the USAF museum and give them information to correct the spurious camo and markings on their D-9. When I asked them how they determined the colors they said they found medium gray (RLM75) on the airframe. At this time they had the D-13 wings with fuselage from D-9 W.Nr. 601088. The technician that was to head up the project retired shortly thereafter and to this day it remains in the incorrect markings of a IV./JG 3 a/c. By the way, I did not paint the D-13. I did supply them with photos, color chips and diagrams but their crew painted it. The paint was applied too thick and to heavy. The paint on "Yellow 13" was lightly fogged in many areas. Cheers, Jerry
  3. The black and white photo of W.Nr. 836016 doesn't change anything especially when we saw some of the original colors on "Yellow 10" and I still have some parts with color. So the problem is, we don't know the colors on 836016. We can only guess. As far as the Hakenkruez it's appears the placement is odd so who knows . Allied capture documents describe the one on "Yellow 10" as being black with a white outline but they maybe referring to markings reapplied by the Americans. Cheers, Jerry
  4. Hi Guys, Interesting discussion forum on "Yellow 10". My first contact with my girl was in 1965 when the owner took us to the vacant lot and there it was . We were amazed that it hadn't been stolen or severely vandalized, although a local drunk had recently chopped off the supercharger scoop. The wings of the Bf 109G 10 that he also owned, had been scrapped. The friends that were with me were avid modelers and we spent hours examining the remaining paint. Of course I came back to visit constantly until the owner died and it was sold. The new owner and I were friends and we spent many weekends playing airplanes with her. At one point the owner wanted to repaint it. We spent a lot of time sanding and scraping areas to find the original paint. It had been over painted at some point after capture with American paint. Fortunately it was a light coat and came off rather easily. He gave me some interesting parts with fragments of the original German paint. At that time the reason for the JG 53 emblem was unknown. Someone suggested it was an "aces" machine. Don't forget this was 1965,1966. My friend eventually had to sell it, so Doug Champlin bought it, thankfully. When Doug sent it to Germany for the first restoration we followed it and was there to see the aluminum skin stripped of all paint. They gave us some non critical parts which I still have. I can't say with certainly that the factory painted it in the sequence that we supply in my book, that's the way we suggest a modeler apply the paint. We do know however those were the colors applied. Obviously, the JG 26 technicians had a field day putting their final touches to the Kommodore's personal Dora. Cheers, Jerry
  5. Just a side note, the recovered oval panel we have from Sepp Sattler's Ta 152 that was shot down on 14 April, 1945 is dark Green. Cheers, Jerry
  6. Hello, I think I've posted this a dozen times, here it is again. The Aeroplane Spotter dated November, 1945 published a report of the captured Ta 152 W.Nr. 150168 the former "Green 9" of Stab JG 301 flown by Willi Reshke. Here is what this report says about the camouflage colors; " The Ta 152 is camouflaged on the upper surfaces of the wings, fuselage and tailplane,, , and the fuselage sides, in various shades of green. On the fuselage the effect is mottled, but on the wings two greens make a zigzag pattern. The whole of underside of this particular machine " Werke Nr." 150168 is sky blue, while the black spinner is enhanced by a white spiral." Later the spinner was repainted red. So there you have it. No mention of RLM 81 Braunviolett at all. It doesn't get much better than this. Cheers, Jerry
  7. No new photos have turned up that I know of, that show the slogan on D-11 "Red 2". I guess someone should ask the decal maker what the source is for the slogan on their sheet. Cheers, Jerry
  8. Troy, Thanks very much for fixing my posting. Cheers, Jerry
  9. Here is a snap of the piece in question. Notice how the dark green is lightly fogged over the lower portion and is increased in intensity where it is about 100% dark green. On the left can be seen a piece of the interior folded back with RLM 66. One thing I've learned over many, many years of chasing this subject is the aircraft, either leaving the factory or in the field were not necessarily painted in what the RLM specified. Many pilots and commanders complained that they could not keep up or comply with some of the RLM directives. Cheers, Jerry https://imgur.com/eSQMkS2
  10. Yes, I have a photo but have been unable to post it any advice would be helpful. Jerry
  11. The piece I mentioned was given to me by a member of a recovery team in Germany. It is from a crash site but the colors have remained in good condition, especially the dark green as it still has a slight sheen to it. The black Adlerflugel is still black as is the interior RLM 66. The colors are all original. In some cases the recovered parts' colors aren't reliable, if they exist at all, depending on soil and other factors However, some colors survive in remarkable condition. Cheers, Jerry
  12. We have a large piece of the port side fuselage from a recovered JG 2 A-2 with a portion of the eagle wing design. The colors are RLM 02 and RLM 71 on the outside and the inside is RLM 66. Cheers, Jerry
  13. Warnecke & Bohme stated to us that The RLM would not label two separate colors with the same number. RLM 81 is identified by Messerschmitt and Warnecke & Bohme as Braunviolett so the question is what RLM color is the dark green that was commonly used. The factory diagram for the Me 262 calls out RLM 81 Braunviolett and RLM 82 Hellgr√ľn. So back to the original question, the lighter green on the Ta 152 would be RLM 82 Hellgr√ľn. What would the dark green be labeled? Another interesting puzzle is the color photo of Dora 9 W. Nr. 210917 of JG 2 found at Frankfurt that has the upper wing painted with RLM 81 and dark green. What would that color be labeled? Again, the lack of documents has created a lot of theories. Cheers, Jerry
  14. Hi all, Please go back and read the posting where I quote the colors described in the The Aeroplane Spotter. Again there is no mention of any brown such as RLM 81 Brown Violet on this Ta 152. It is interesting that Michael Ullman's document calling out RLM 83 as dark blue on the other hand I have a small dark green chip from an Italian paint company that made paint for the Luftwaffe in WWII that is marked 83.The big problem is the documents relating to colors were ordered destroyed before the end of the war so all we have are bits and pieces to deal with. We have no idea what some of the late war colors were named or numbered if indeed they were numbered although there a lot of theories.For instance, the light green that is found on Fw 190s , D-9s and even He 111s. Existing examples has this color over painted RLM 76 Light Blue and even along with 76. No it is not a late version of RLM 76. The neutral gray found on D-9s etc. So far no known documents explaining these. Some of these diagrams that exist calling out color do not refer to the colors as RLM. Existing Dora 9 parts have the combination of light green under surfaces with Bright Green and Dark Green with brown mottling. We have a sample from a Bf 109 K-4 that is chocolate brown and dark green. Anyone like to guess as to the RLM numbers? Cheers, Jerry
  15. The original formula card can partially seen be seen in the background of page 293 of my book. By the way Nick, I know you are researching Japanese colors and have written a book as a result. Many years ago Don Thorpe gave me his original color samples of Japanese aircraft gathered from some islands in the South Pacific. If you are interested in seeing them Let me know. Cheers, Jerry
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