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  1. The parts breakdown is really well thought out to produce the flowing shape and should give a far better result than the conversion parts. Paul
  2. OPM ???? Each to their own and all that. However, what is Luft46 ? The Ju.287 V1 and V2 existed, they were real, even though cobbled together from an He,177 and bits of Ju.188. Design of the the first production prototype Ju.287 was started but not finished before the end of the war........ should we ignore it (OK it was completed in Russia. Similarly the Hs.132 jet dive bomber was never completed, nor the production Me.263. Interestingly a German friend of mine adamantly maintains that if a plane never flew, it was no more than a project - I've mixed feelings about that. I would personally agree that many design studies were made for comparison with other layouts and were never seriously meant to lead to a flyable aircraft. Here I would agree that there is (usually) little merit in modelling them, although its fascinating to see in 3D the evolution of the Me.262 for instance. I sold off most of my collection of Luft 46 models and retained only those that were serious proposals or were developed in detail such as the Bv.P215 or on which metal was actually cut, such as the Ta.183. What I do dislike is fantasy models produced by companies that imply they were genuine studies such as the HG.IV with the pilot in a large triangular fin. Other incomplete projects rematerialised postwar - Me.P1101 as the Bell X5, Arado Ar234 V15 crescent wing on the Victor etc Paul
  3. You must remember that HG.III was part of a progressive evolution / development at a time when there was no full scale data for highly swept wings, to validate the wind tunnel testing. The only aircraft to fly with a 60 degree swept wing was the Horten H.XIIIa glider, to explore low speed handing. The limitations of tunnel testing and lack of real world full scale experiment by the Germans is often overlooked. Really the Ju.287 is the only example. At the same time, its likely that Messerschmitt was to utilise as many standard Me.262 parts as possible. Whether HG.III was seen as anything more than a test aircraft is a moot point Ignoring a lot of the rather fanciful projects, that were really paper studies exploring the best way forward, the Me.P1110 and P1112 were serious projects and very much pointed toward the postwar line of jet development. Having said that - the kit looks superb ! Paul;
  4. Can I thank you guys for such a swift and helpful response, my wife was most impressed - Modellers Rile ! Paul
  5. After 50 years of Horten research, contributing to the Selinger/Horten book Nurflugel, editing one of David Myhras Horten booksand becoming good friends with Huib Ottens who wrote Spirit of Thuringia........ the search for the true Horten story continues. The Hortens were great self publicists and networkers with a talent for getting financial and political support. Consequently they had a flexible attitude to the truth and in Myhras interviews, you can see the brothers contradict both themselves and each other. Timelines are also distorted, successes sometimes exaggerated and failures simply edited out. Spirit of Thuringia remains the best book out there and contains Arthur Bentleys superb drawings. There is still more to be written about the development and testing of the Ho.IX/Ho.229. In particular the proposed production plans which were cancelled at least three times and at the end of the war only V3, V4. V5 were under construction ...... as per the Revell, Dragon and Zoukei Mura kits but only those three identical single seaters would have that appearance. The modified V6 would have been the first of 10 prototypes V6-15 and ONLY if they proved successful would series production be authorised - take note Luft 46 modellers. Paul
  6. Here is a challenge -can anyone suggest any sources for the uniforms of the East India Company's private army, from the 1750's onwards, especially captains and colonels ? Also any histories ? My wife is writing a murder mystery partly set in India and is looking for authentic details, so I assured her that the best folk to ask were military modellers ! Thanks for any help Paul
  7. Quite agree , although there are plenty of Ho.229 kits, other Hortens have been thin on the ground - Planet do an H.VII. Sharkit have produced H.IIIb, H.IIIf, H.XIIIa and H.XIIIb, H.X delta., also a badly fitting H.XVIIIa and a fundamentally inaccurate H.XVIIIb. Fruitbat did a very limited run of H.Vc but impossible to find. CMK produce and H.IVa - this is reboxed as an H.IVb which is totally wrong as wing sweep, airbrakes, canopy are different. Bird do a just about acceptable H.X Volksjager (sic) However, the H.I, H.II, H.IIm, H.IIIa, H.IIIc, H.IIId, H.IIIe, H.Va, H.Vb, Prabola, H.VI, H.XII, H.XIV remain unkitted. Paul
  8. We were all expecting an H.IX.V2 - the only version of the H.IX/Ho229 that flew powered but instead we get a real surprise. This kit is the H.IX as it was originally designed and presented to Goering. The Hortens attempted to maximise performance by making the aircraft as small and as densely 'packed' as possible. However it is obvious that as designed, it was impractical because the wheels are far too small for the weight of the aircraft and too short to allow for rotation and side-slip landings. The Hortens imply that after Goerings approval, they were simply allowed to go ahead and build the H.IX - even though they had never built anything heavier or faster than the H,Vc light twin, which could be compared to a Miles Gemini. (Note that contrary to Horten statements, the H.VII twin did NOT fly until after the H.IX.VI) ). Despite the lack of documentation, it seems obvious that the RLM demanded a longer undercarriage and other significant alterations. So this isn't really a What If - its actually how the Ho.229 started life. However I hope that we will see the H.IX.V2 in due course - perhaps AMP will realise that there is also a market for the pre production V6 and even the two seater in 1/72. Paul
  9. Bertie makes an interesting point, however I simply don't see the problem with models of uncompleted ships, they were after all proposed, designed and well on the way to completion. My main interest is German gliders and Luftwaffe jets. At one point I began to collect models of all German project aircraft, until my 'education' revealed that many were no more than basic design studies to compare various, often radical, configurations. Since then, I have restricted my self to types for which detail design was largely completed and/or construction started. Then again I have an interest in the technical development of these types, not 'just' as models. Personally, I think that any new aircraft, ship, tank, car, fantasy model - is to be welcomed, as it will make someones day, even if it leaves me cold. The only thing I really hate are kits which are sold as examples of unbuilt Luftwaffe projects but which are completely invented by the kit manufacturers. Discussions at Telford show that a surprising number of folk believe/assume these must be based on fact as a kit exists. Paul
  10. I quite understand S-boat55's sentiment but from another perspective, its fascinating to see the planned line of development. I can 'read' a set of drawings better than most but being able to see a ship in 3D gives a much better understanding of what it would have been like.. Having said that, I would prefer a Schleswig Holstein in its WW1 form, in 1/200. I wonder how likely that is ??? Paul
  11. The decal sheets for this model are perhaps the first available alternatives for sailplane models (???) and very welcome indeed. An exceptionally large number of alternative registrations are presented, which could easily be modified for use on other types. German sailplane models seem to be slowly growing in popularity but modellers will struggle to find many references - Martin Simons excellent books deal with many types but therefore cannot cover them with anything more than an overview and even on the internet, a relatively small number of photos can be found. Modellers should therefore be aware that contrary to much that has been published, German registrations in the 1930's and 40's actually appeared in a remarkable range of fonts, size and locations. Paul
  12. I think Bird did a very basic and dubious EF126 in 1/72 many moons ago - this looks a truly excellent model, as is the Das Werke model in 1/32 Paul
  13. The illustration is of the first H.XVIII proposal, which was very much a concept drawing. This was abandoned in favour of the smaller and ugly version with enormous fixed spats and external engines, which was submitted in competition with the Ju.287 and Me.P.1107/II (amazingly just issued by RS Models). Contrary to most publications, I haven't seen and documents referring to them as H.XVIIIa and b. I believe Sharkits1/72 kit of the first version had major fit issues and I wait for decent replacement. Their kit of the second version has the wrong wing sweep, so again better is needed. The offerings in 1/144 by Anigrand and Unicraft are much better. 1/48 ???? Bob you must have a much bigger house than me - but then I am going to build a model of every individual Horten ! Paul
  14. The reaction to this release surprises me. Although the Ju.187 was never built, it was a serious project from major company, seeking to design a modern replacement for the iconic but slow Ju87 Stuka As a model it allows people to see this design in 3D rather than just drawings or photos. Surely that is one of the things modelling is about. Although its not a model I will buy ( as I dislike he design) non-the-less I feel pleased that it has become available for those those that want one. Surely with any obscure model, that's the attitude we should have - hooray for the lucky folks whose prayers have been answered If you want to knock 'wasted resources' - the infinite repetition of Bf109, Mustangs, Spitfires, would be a better target, when there are plenty of good kits already available ? I don't want to start a debate on that (its been done before). Personally I am interested in SOME of the German projects, such as the Me,262 HG.III which was actively being developed. Along with types such as the Bv.P215 which had reached the stage of detailed design. I am not generally interested in many of the 'project designs' which were really paper studies/comparisons as the designers felt their way towards a viable design. Many of these were never going to be built. However, thats a personal thing and I have no problem with models of these types The only things I do feel are a waste of time, are spurious models of variants invented by kit producers that never existed even as paper designs - ie The Me262 HGIV - it never existed the crescent shaped Horten fighter with ramjets at the tips and many me. Sadly some modellers assume they are 'real' just because a kit exists. Vive Ia difference ! PauI
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