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  1. Managed to resolve one other problem, thanks to a kind gent from the Napoleonic Wars Forum. It seems that the flank companies were already at Tarifa before the 8 centre companies arrived there. Thus the entire 2/47th was at Tarifa and, therefore, it seems likely that Samuel was there. I'm also thinking he was with the force that sailed from Cadiz in the abortive reinforcement of Tarragona. Again, it would be logical, although I have no formal evidence either way. The muster rolls are frustratingly unhelpful in that regard.
  2. Hi Mike, Those do look like beautifully sculpted figures. Shame that the figures are still wearing their packs despite being in combat poses. However, they could easily be a good starting point for a conversion to a 47th Foot soldier. Many thanks for the pointer. Kind regards, Mark
  3. Well, it seems you're right in all the above. Ir seems that Samuel's medals have survived. They were apparently sold at auction a number of years ago. Maybe one day I'll be able to track them down and bring them back into the family.
  4. Yeah..."A group of 97 soldiers have a total of 296 clasps. The soldiers have a variable number of clasps from 1 to 5. If 80 soldiers each have 2 clasps...." Sorry, I can't go on without therapy.
  5. Oh how I love a good googly when I'm researching something...it's always a pleasure to have one's well-crafted assumptions come crashing down around one's ears! I'm intrigued that soldiers had to apply in writing for their medal (and then pay for the privilege of receiving it), not least because my Great x3 Grandfather appears to have been illiterate. He signed his marriage record in 1832 with an "X" so, unless he learned to write after moving back to Warrington, I wonder how he would have heard about the opportunity to request his medal, and then to apply for it? I also wonder
  6. Ok...Black Knight's comment about wounded not appearing in British muster rolls got me thinking (and that's ALWAYS a dangerous thing - blame BK because any fallout from me straining the feeble matter that resides, or rattles around, in my cranial cavity is entirely HIS fault!). My train of thought went like this...if the British muster rolls don't indicate if a soldier was wounded, perhaps the medal rolls might give some insights. Given that the 2/47th was operating as a complete battalion from the Battle of Vitoria through San Sebastian and Nivelles to Nive in December 1813, then
  7. Thanks BK for those details (and the great personal story at the end). We have this mental image of Napoleonic soldiers as being impeccably turned out, largely influenced by the available paintings which often fail to capture the grime and realism of life in the field. I know have visions of soldiers merrily going into battle with all sorts of odd patches to their uniforms, almost having the appearance of a patchwork quilt.
  8. Now that I've had chance to look through more of the muster rolls, I see what you mean. The 2/47th's casualties at the Siege of San Sebastian were horrific for the time and yet the muster roll only reflects those who were killed in action or who subsequently died of their wounds. I'm still digesting the information I retrieved, although I'm not sure there's too much more to be extracted from it. That said, I'm also kicking myself for information I could have grabbed, like the names of the recruiting team in his home town in 1808, that I failed to look for. Sometimes I'm frustr
  9. Yeah, that's what I suspected. No doubt the illustrations of the 47th Regiment uniforms would be very useful...I'm just reluctant to spend that amount of money for a few pages of graphics.
  10. Thanks for the pointer. I'll look into it but, since I'm really only interested in the 2/47th, I'm wondering about the cost-effectiveness of the purchase. I have the Osprey "Wellington's Infantry (1)" which has a tremendous amount of useful detail. It seems like the main advantage of the Franklin volume is the page of illustrations dedicated to each regiment. If others have the book and feel I'm undervaluing it, please let me know. Happy to splurge if it's worth it.
  11. Just found this interesting page which lists regimental depots in the period 1804-1812. https://www.napoleon-series.org/military-info/organization/Britain/Infantry/c_infantrydepots.html Interestingly, the 47th Foot doesn't have a formal depot in 1804 while, by 1810, it had one established at Bury (which makes sense given the Lancashire affiliation of the Regiment).
  12. Agreed. It wasn't official policy to hinder men marrying bit, as you point out, conditions were less than ideal. There are stories of women giving birth while 50 of their closest neighbours, all male, stood on and watched. It seems pretty horrendous to modern eyes but the early 1800s were a different time with different perspectives.
  13. I suspect it had more to do with the fact that the Army discouraged marriage...plus Samuel didn't spend much time in the UK: 4+ years in Spain followed by 15+ years in India and Burma. Good score, though, for a 38 year-old to marry a lass of 21!
  14. A google of "Hilsea Depot" and "Napoleon" reveals a few mentions, including one that suggests a number of regiments had soldiers there. There are a couple of references in the UKNA to a "Hilsea Depot" including a muster roll covering the period when Samuel was on the mainland prior to sailing for Jersey. I guess I'll have to dig that one out of the archives as well on my next visit to Blighty!
  15. From the 1809 muster roll, Samuel Hayes enlisted on 4 Dec 1808 (that's off by a day from his record of service - that says he enlisted on 5 Dec). He was "paid at the Depot to 19 Feb" and officially joined 2/47th on 20 Feb. Interestingly, there's a record elsewhere in the financials section of that notes "Rations while on board ship for 37 men and boys from Feby. 20th to March 7th, each at 6 per diem" (I believe it was 6 shillings). This suggests the 2/47th took over responsibility for Samuel once he boarded the ship, and that "the Depot" was well-enough established to keep him for 2.5 month
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