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On 12/23/2022 at 8:47 PM, 28ZComeback said:
The KP decal directions for the Mi-4 IAF call out for overall light gray. I think they took the clam shell doors off.
IAF Mi 4s were never grey just olive green and light blue. A VIP version had light blue grey over white with a dark blue cheat line. During the 1971 war they had wet mud wiped over them that dried to a khaki for desert operations. Some of the VIP versions were camouflaged in the 60s.
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On 11/26/2023 at 2:01 PM, Tiger331 said:
Hi Folks,
I need some help with Post-War Indian Spitfires, since the vast majority of my own references are in long-term storage and I am getting thoroughly confused with internet sources.
First and foremost, I want to do the well-known HS877, with the Saffron/White/Green roundels that features in the Airfix 1:48 scale kit of the Mk.XVIII but I have now seen references to it being a FR.XVIII with two (or four) camera ports, depending on what source you believe. Furthermore, I have also seen references to it being a Mk.XIVe with the clipped wings !. Which is the correct designation.
In actual fact, HS 877 was a painting error for HS977. No IAF Spitfire existed in the 8-- series. On the other hand HE877 was an IAF Liberator ex RAF KH403. Pic below shows HS977 painted in error as 877 outside the IAF's Western Air Command HQS in Delhi.
It is indisputable after the airframe was stripped that the airframe was RAF SM969. Per the handwritten list of 1947 below, SM969 was renumbered as HS977 by the IAF. This airframe was from the Contract Number Air/1877/C.23C and the Eleventh Order-150 Vickers Armstrong Built ordered as Spitfire Mk IXs 12 Feb 44. Built as Mk XVIs and XVIIIs between Feb 45 and Jan 46. This batch included SM844 first Mk XVIII to RAF. While all were meant to be FR Mk 18s, the pic above shows no oblique camer port holes on the fuselage sides. So SM 969 was definitely a Mk XVIII and almost certainly a F Mk XVIII.
On 11/26/2023 at 2:01 PM, Tiger331 said:I also want to do a Mk.XIVe in Natural Metal with the 'Chakra' style roundels. Is this possible ? (Addendum: I found a reference to a FR.XIVe (NH848) with Chakras with two camera windows in the Academy 1:48 'special edition' kit - How accurate is this configuration ?)
The eighteen Mk XIVs taken on cahrge by the independant IAF were MV262 (SURVIVOR), MV287, MV370 (SURVIVOR), NH753, NH759 (awaiting write off), NH749(SURVIVOR), NH799 (SURVIVOR), NH802, NH805, NH901, SM819, SM933, SM937, TX171, TX491, TX990, TX996, TZ113, TZ190 (census of 12 Dec 47). So it is unlikely that NH 848 was part of the IAF and hence couldnt have worn Chakras, a marking adopted after independance for a short period. Also, no evidence exists of silver Spitfires with Chakra markings.
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On 7/21/2022 at 8:22 AM, Jagan said:
Cant see the image.. can you post it again?
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Yup standard ACSEA markings post 1944. Appears DG/DE as serials are black.
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Arjun Singh walks past the Display flight's Hurricanes IICs at walton.
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Hendie did you get my PM??
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1 hour ago, hendie said:
That is great news. It would be good to see one of these aircraft preserved especially after all these years, and even better to see that particular example being restored from it's current state
I'd be glad to help in any way I can though I am not sure I can provide any detail more than you have already. My build was created from that one set of plans shown in this thread along with cross reference to as many shots of Wapiti's as I could find.
If there is anything you think I can help with, feel free to PM me and I'll do what I can to assist.
Thanx much Hendie, that is really a magnificent model!! I shall get in touch.
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Just now, Linescriber said:
This Wapiti (unidentified) was put together in early 1965 from the scrap yard with original basic structure and cockpit except the instruments. The forward fuselage is dubious in shape and covering which is aluminium plate. The wing roots have cracked and have been plate welded over the years and hence the sag. Impressed by your build we are commencing a year's rebuild to near-original. the scarf ring will be wood and metal while the original Lewis guns are available. The ammunition chute that feeds the side mounted Lewis from inside the cockpit is original. We are desperately sourcing accurate plans while a maintenance manual has been found. May i request for some help in this regard. We intend to use a modified Harvard's nine cylinder R1340 Wasp or fabricate a lighter Jupiter from wood (Oh dear!!). We have quite a detailed model Jupiter from Rolls Royce for reference. Any plans etc would be helpful!!
Sorry for my manners!! The model by the way is Magnificent!! A worthy reflection of the massive amount of hard work put in!!
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On 2/5/2021 at 8:38 PM, perdu said:
Shall I see if I have been able to save one?
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Looking at this it isnt quite the same after all, different marks?
And definitely no engine of the museum bird, she will never fly again.
I think the oil cooler sits behind that empty space after the metal shield I have been looking at.
But the radius of the lowest curves at the front seems to be a bigger circle
All good clean fun.
I got a couple more all courtesy of Andrew Shaw on Flickr
They clearly show that there is much wrong and or missing from the museum example but I hope they do help
The one above clearly shows I must be wrong but from other angles...
The rigging of the wings is awful and frankly shows an airframe in desperate need of love and skilful rigging
I am not too disappointed though, looking at the cross section on Alan's drawing there is a definite curve at point B and the museum's lower front panel has the look of something knocked up by a rigger with a hole to fill.
Probably after the engine and its gubbinses were ripped out at end of service.
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This Wapiti (unidentified) was put together in early 1965 from the scrap yard with original basic structure and cockpit except the instruments. The forward fuselage is dubious in shape and covering which is aluminium plate. The wing roots have cracked and have been plate welded over the years and hence the sag. Impressed by your build we are commencing a year's rebuild to near-original. the scarf ring will be wood and metal while the original Lewis guns are available. The ammunition chute that feeds the side mounted Lewis from inside the cockpit is original. We are desperately sourcing accurate plans while a maintenance manual has been found. May i request for some help in this regard. We intend to use a modified Harvard's nine cylinder R1340 Wasp or fabricate a lighter Jupiter from wood (Oh dear!!). We have quite a detailed model Jupiter from Rolls Royce for reference. Any plans etc would be helpful!!
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On 7/2/2021 at 2:19 PM, RidgeRunner said:
I've found another Indian Fitter that might work for a future build
. The colours of the circles and FALCON name strips would need to be researched. It is in the later lighter grey overall with the green and brown. It is quoted as being in Delhi for an exhibition but I think the truth is that it is a wargames machine from 101 sqn, and was taken at Hindon AFS (which is to the East of Delhi).
Martin
Actually, 101 Sqn phased out its Su-7s for MiG 21 Ms in 1975. this pic is of a 32 Sqn (Thunderbirds) Su-7 from 1981 at Hindan. Its standard camo of sea grey/dark green and Russian brown. the polka dots were orangish-yellow. The 'Falcon' label comes from the call signs used by the Sqn, Thunderbird, Eagle, Sparrow, Falcon, Bustard, Osprey, etc. Mine was Phoenix. The Sqn exchanged their Sus for MiG-21 Bis in 1982.
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Sorry Smudge. Was away. Nope not making a model, but a side view of Chuck Yeager's Queen air in Pakistan that was shot up by IAF Hunters during the 1971 war.
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Thanx Michael, have PMed you.
On 3/18/2022 at 10:29 PM, Paul J said:White tops, olive drab green lower sides and wings all glossy. Separating the white and green would be a white pin stripe or two Serial and US ARMY titles in yellow.
At least the ones I saw were.
As for USAF ones, light grey with white tops. The grey wasthr ADC shade. Serials and titles black or dark insignia blue.
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Thanx Paul!! much appreciated!!
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Any ideas on what would have been the paint scheme of a US Army/USAF Queen Air in 1971 era??
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Umm i plan the ubiquitous all silver scheme. Britman, the original plywood was rotted through by rain and termites, have cleared all that out and used a teak wood veneer of different grains to cover the wooden surfaces on the starboard side only. The port shall be all silver.
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I hope your'e using a canopy without the rear view periscope?/ the IAF did'nt have those.
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Absolutely!!
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Dear all, coming upto the painting stage of our vampire FB 52. Can anybody help me with markings, stenciling pls??
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Perhaps this might help?/ BTW the Chocolate was actually Russian brown, more reddish than chocolate.
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Yes the saffron is more red than yellow!! And yes it'll be difficult to match the MiG 21 roundels on the Su-7. When the roundel shifted to the nose from the tail, some Ruskie went for Russian proportions!!
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Dear Martin, Sorry for the delay, ive been off modelling for a while, writing my book. That's an outstanding model by all accounts. I am sure TACDE would be impressed!!
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I hope they bring out the T 77, (or the broad chord fin PF with the single piece canopy!) None available in 72 since the Fujimi kit!!
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Yaaaaay!!
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Magnificent, flawless!!!
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Airfix Spitfire XVIII in 1/48th Scale.
in Baby Boomers GB 1946-1964
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Sorry Troy, No Clue!!