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  1. A couple of points if I may.

     

    The Safety Network has this aircraft, K9843, nosing over on 30 November 1939 while with 41 Squadron, and at Hamble for repairs on 10 December, being reissued to 54 Squadron in February 1940 where it was coded DL-N

     

    The aircraft in the photograph above carries Type B fuselage roundels which were supposed to have been converted to Type A in September 1939, so it is a good bet this photo was taken before then, which means this DL-N is probably NOT K9843, which would have still been at 41 Squadron. Note that fin flashes were not introduced officially until 1 May 1940, so the Squadron emblem was likely retained on the fin, although these and serial numbers were sometimes painted over as security measures. When K9843 served with 54 Squadron in February 1940, it would likely have had Type A fuselage roundels.

     

    54 Squadron carried both KL and DL codes, but I don’t have any information as to when these were used.

     

    Footnote: Sgt Llewellyn went on to have a successful career in the RAF apparently, being awarded a DFM and retiring from the Service in the ‘50s.

  2. They also missed the little dull red swastikas on the tips of the spinners. This a/c suffered major damage when a bomb load exploded on the airfield, and it received a whole new tail unit, I think from just behind the upper turret, but not 100% sure. Sorry, don’t know the date for that. There was also provision for a ventral turret which was removed and blanked off in a fairly crude way

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  3. Interesting film. Richard Hillary was working on an Air-Sea Rescue film in November 1942, capacity unknown, after recovering from burns received when he was shot down during the Battle of Britain. This film is dated 1943, so maybe the one he was involved with.

  4. 11 hours ago, Mark Proulx said:

    There is also an extensive discussion about this subject in Jerry Crandalls Dora Vol 2 book. 

     

    He personally visited and interviewed Dr. Pomper, head of Warnecke and Bohm, the German paint manufacturer. Included within the book are all the paint formulas for their Ikarol based paints, patented in 1942 (mostly).  

     

     

     

    If most of the Ikarol paints weren’t patented until 1942, does this then fit with Merrick and Kiroff finding that primer was no longer used from early 1943, given the need to get manufacturing going and supply chains resourced?

     

    Edit - would there also have been the need for testing and approval before their use?

  5. 22 hours ago, Jochen Barett said:

     

    What is your objective? Make the primer (if present) be seen in worn areas?

     

    Yes, and curiosity. If there is a primer, that would be seen first where paint is worn. 

     

    It looks like, for most WW2 Me 109s, bare metal would be seen where paint has worn or been damaged.

     

    Thank you all for your informed replies. I hope I haven’t open a :worms: regards colour. :(

  6. 3 hours ago, Graham Boak said:

    True for the later colours bur not for the prewar ones..  So which '109 are you thinking of?

    Was focusing more on WW2 a/c Graham. When you say ‘later’, would that be by the time of WW2?

     

    The factory shots are potentially one of the final camouflage colours?

  7. 20 hours ago, Troy Smith said:

    AFAIK, there was never a switch to unpainted interiors on any British type.  Given the weather, that makes sense.

    There was switch all the interiors being Grey Green,  and this for all types.   The use of aluminium dope for British aircraft interiors APART from the cockpit has been one of those interesting details that have come out on here.

    HTH

     

    Perhaps you will allow me to update you Troy.

     

    Spitfire Mk V Modification no 787 “Delete painting fuselage interior (all Marks), 13/9/43” 

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  8. N3200 at Duxford has painted aluminium behind the pilot’s seat. The Science Museum Spitfire is suspended from the ceiling so not all that available for scrutiny. 

     

    I was told by a trusted source that there was an amendment to Spitfire production that saw the cessation of painting on the inside of the fuselage. No doubt listed in Morgan and Shacklady, haven’t had a chance to look it out. I would suggest cessation on only the aluminium areas.

  9. Just a heads up - Wingleader have posted another film, this one about losses from a raid on Bristol on 25 September 1940.

     

    Up to their usual brilliant, forensic standard!

     

    And some nice schemes there too (especially one of the He111s), not to mention some very rare pictorial coverage.

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  10. 48 minutes ago, Stefan Buysse said:

     

    They may all be Spitfires since K32009 is famously "not a Spitfire". I'm hoping it'll be a Hurricane.

     

     

    Ditto, would LOVE to see a BoB Hurricane Mk I with appropriate surface detail, warts (rivets) and all. :penguin:

     

    The variety of options for such a kit will keep them going for almost as long as the Spitfire! 😉

     

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