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[edit] - sounds like there's a real kit in the works https://www.facebook.com/Hong-Kong-Models-Co-Ltd-1375731456009809/timeline/
And like I said over on ARC, it wouldn't surprise me if it were true. If you want a kit of something produced, the best way to get that done is to start scratch building or converting your own.
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David I agree in some ways, but when you need to do full stencil data and various roundels PLUS decide on what markings to do it does add up. Also what quantity do you make, believe me I got stung when I first started printing decals, then having lots in stock for years to come. Not a show stopper as we agree but is not a cost that can be ignored, or taken lightly.
Ali
Canuck's minimum decal print run is 100 sheets, which is probably the smallest amount of kits you could make to allow you earn a profit greater than zero.
As for the artwork, well yes, obviously you need to do the artwork. But there are so many resources for references that really you should be able to put the vector art together in a couple of weeks. The most difficult and time consuming part of any decal sheet is gathering the reference materials. Once you have those you've made the rest of your job pretty straight forward. Every decal sheet in my brand has full stencils and as many applicable unit badges and other markings as I can stuff in, and if you have enough references, then the art goes together rather quickly.
Like I said, decals were the absolute least of my worries. The reason my attempt at one of these conversions died on the vine is the cost of resin casting. My screen printing services are not inexpensive, but some of the casting quotes seemed like the businesses were trying to pay their years mortgage from this one project.
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Decals are another issue as we all know to do it correctly a full set of stencils are also required but there again there is at least two maybe three differnt colours for many of those, depending what colour scheme you wish to model? Then on top of that what other markings etc. would be best and roundel types etc......AND WE ALL HAVE OUR FAVORITE, and none of these decals are small, so that alone is a huge task.
Decals really shouldn't be a show stopper. Yes, they take some time to do and they cost money to print, but given the scope and expense of the rest of the project, decals were never the concern for me when during my efforts to produce a conversion kit.
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Hi everyone
As some others in this thread had noted, I'm working on a personal build with a work in progress thread here - http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=285216This project started life as a conversion kit along the lines of the wild-hare conversion out a few years ago. I was working on the masters, and making some good progress and things looked positive. I then approached some resin casting companies, those that would even be willing to take on a project of this scope were coming back with quotes that just made it impossible for me to move forward with a conversion. Each set would have been hitting the $350 CAD mark (this was over 5 years ago, it's likely over $400 CAD now). It seemed there was little chance for me to even break even so the masters lay around in a box for a couple of years and then I just decided to build it up as a personal build.
That all said though, I received a couple of emails last night regarding the SPEY exhausts I'm working on for this build. These are 3D printed by Shapeways and I would be happy to make some additional prints available for those that want to cover the cost. Right now they're coming in around $20 USD each ($40 base price for the pair + shipping etc...) for the highest detail print.
A few caveats though. These are not done in a true CAD software package. I do all my modelling in 3D Studio, a software tool designed for game and film modelling. These are dimensionally accurate but because these types of models rely on polygons to create rounded surfaces (and any other shape), you have some faceting on the outer wall that needs to be sanded smooth. This really isn't a big deal. A little 400 paper and some primer and you'll never notice that. The other thing to consider is that they're designed around my research for dimensions - cm: 3.23 x / 3.23 y / 1.35 z . Those with detailed measurements of the real thing might find inaccuracies, but these fit my build and seem to be close to scaled up Hasegawa parts. And finally, some portions of my file are below shapeways' minimum wall specifications. As near as I can tell, they still print just fine (as you can see) but it wouldn't be something I could guarantee would work for every single print. As the old idiom goes - 'You pays your money and you take your chances'.
Prototype print on top of the Tamiya parts. This was my first attempt a producing a 3d model for printing and my first print. The purpose of the exercise was to see if anything would even work. All things considered, I'm pretty happy with the first efforts and then spent time to improve the model and add the previously omitted details.
Updated 3D file with more detail added and corrections made after seeing the prototype.
I hope that helps with some questions but always chime in if you have others.
thanks
David
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I managed to pick one up from eBay not too many years ago, so they're not quite to hen's teeth rareness, but they will get there unless someone either does a new tooling, or re-pops the old one. You know which option I'd prefer
Yep, they show up on eBay and at model shows from time to time. The tooling for the HC kit was, apparently, destroyed long ago. And even if they could be used, there's, also apparently, an outstanding question of ownership. I've looked into it, no repops of those.
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David, nice to see your completed Arrow here. Did you finally get an Astra one yet ? Sorry I couldn't help with your fundraising to make tooling molds for a Canadair Argus a few years back. Was and still in a rough patch.
Yeah, I'd hoped the Argus would have had more traction but sadly no. I still think it would be a fantastic kit and more interesting than yet another obscure BF-109 variant.
I do have one Astra kit tucked away in my special stash of security house-elf protected kits. I've spoken at length with Hugh, the owner of Astra models and sadly he has no more kits around and the tooling is gone. So if anyone ever sees on on eBay or at shows, grab it! They've become a very endangered species.
David
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If you haven't found one already, Panther Hobbies in Toronto has a bunch in stock.
http://www.pantherhobbies.com/
(caution, turn your speakers off, the web designer of that site thinks it's a good idea to play sounds without user input)
Once you find yourself the kit, I sell replacement decal sheets for it at www.canuckmodels.com
With a little extra effort around the intakes, the new kits build up nicely.
I have a full build log here: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=249877
thanks
David
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There is no suggestion of either on the kit. I will now be able to carry on with my quest.
Best Regards
WEEMAN
There's little suggestion of anything to do with the Arrow when it comes to the first issue of that kit.
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There are three small circular cut out areas of the inside of the gear door frame. It's just part of the frame design.
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The 'replica' has numerous issues with it. Taxi lights were never fitted to the 5 operational aircraft or the first MK2 (RL*206).
This is the forward landing gear from RL*206. Note lack of taxi lights.
The navigation lights were on the tips of the wings and on the vertical fin.
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Just an FYI, I counted something like 31 errors on the Canadian markings. Can't speak for the USAF stuff, but if you want to do an RCAF/CAF build, I'd recommend replacing the decals.
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Decal sheet, transparencies and fabric mesh for the engine air intakes:
I'm just absolutely shocked at the "quality" of those RCAF roundels. Seriously. I don't even know what to say about those.
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That is looking amazing!!!
You really don't see a lot of Vacuum formed kits built anymore. But you've done a fantastic job with this biggy!
David
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Give that so little of the cockpit can be seen inside of the Arrow's canopy when closed, I'd grab some seats from any 1:72 scale jet and use those. The Arrow used Martin Baker MK C5 seat. You might find something similar (close enough) from other MB seats from the 50s. Even a F-4 Phantom seat could be modified to work well enough considering what you can see.
The other option is to put a decal over the canopy windows and blank them out completely. That's fairly common with Arrow models.
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A couple other world class books on the subject;
- Corvettes of the Royal Canadian Navy 1939-1945 - Ken Macpherson and Marc Mliner - Vanwell Publishing ISBN: 0-920277-83-7
- Canada's Flowers: A history of the corvettes of Canada 1939-1945 - Thomas Lynch - Nimbus Publishing ISBN: 0-920852-15-7
- The Flower Class Corvette Agassiz (Anatomy of the ship) - John McKay & John Harland - Conway Maritime Press ISBN: 0851779751
I have all three of these in my collection and they're invaluable for anyone building a Corvette (or at least, one not made by Chevy).
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"There are markings for two ships, HMS Snowberry, or HMS Campanula with their pennant numbers for bow sides and stern, depth markings, ships nameplates, a Donald Duck cartoon for the turret of HMS Snowberry and a large funnel band for HMS Campanula."
Actually, that's HMCS Snowberry. The Snowberry served with the Royal Canadian Navy.
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One of my all time favourite kits. I've built 4 of these, all converted to RC. One was converted to a short forecastle version and is now sitting in a Legion Hall in Kelowna, BC. Haven't built one of the new issues with the new parts though.
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I admit that I've not read every post and skimmed a lot of the thread, but it amazes me how you could easily do a search and replace of a couple of aircraft names and have a very similar story to the Avro CF-105 Arrow.
Replace TSR.2 with CF-105 and F-111 with F-101 and you're pretty much there. Right down to a "US Loan" that paved the way to stop production of a superior aircraft.
The thing that really boggles my mind was that the British government really didn't learn anything from the Canadian situation that happened not even a decade before. Well, except to know enough not to destroy every single airframe. At least you kept a couple intact in museums.
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Those big boxy intakes make me think it should be wearing red stars.
Lovely build.
Where do you think the Mig-25 came from??
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Do you mean this kit? http://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=187272
If so, it's a reboxing of a much older kit. Raised panel lines and rough surface texture. You can see sprue shots here: http://scaleplasticandrail.com/kaboom/index.php/all-things-aviation/148-scale/kit-reviews/773-148-f-104g-starfighter-tiger-meet this example is for the yellow tiger meet boxing, but the plastic is the same (just grey, not yellow).
My biased opinion not withstanding, the decals are unusable.
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Hi John.
Bil is correct, I offer that set in both 48 and 72 scale (actually the 72 scale is going on a year old now).
Thanks, and good luck with the rest of your build.
David
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Greetings.I'd like to announce, that by popular demand, 1:48 scale Avro CF-105 Arrow markings are now available from Canuck Model Products. For those that have one of the old Hobbycraft kits sitting in their stash, now you can finish it up properly.Package comes with two sheets, all stencil and warning markings, numbers for all 5 MK1 prototypes, intake bleed ramp markings, and complete wing walkway lines.enjoyDavid
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To be fair to Italeri, they never previously mentioned a CF-104 The fact that Canadian markings are included is a bonus but the kit has always been advertised as a G/S over the few years it's been in development
While you may be correct, I don't believe that justifies the errors with the markings. Italeri is well known for their creative interpretations of Canadian markings. For whatever reason, the simple Maple Leaf seems particularly troubling for them (but again, to be fair, they're not the only ones. Hasegawa's Maple Leaves often look more like marijuana plant leaves)
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This has nothing in common with the Hasagawa kit other than the subject . It seems very comprehensive
I didn't say it had anything in common with the Has kit. My point was that the parts breakdown looks very similar. I've just built two of the Has kits and there are a lot of familiarity to the parts breakdown (plus the addition of a lot of new ones).
CF-100 CANUCK Mk.4 - Hobbycraft 1/48
in Ready for Inspection - Aircraft
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Congrats! That turned out beautifully. Given that the CF-100 was NORADS front line interceptor for many, many years, it still amazes me that this is the only 1:48 scale kit ever produced.