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    Ottawa,, Ontario, Canada
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    1/48; Spitfires; RCAF/CAF; Commonwealth; Luftwaffe

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  1. Sady, it looks like all the photo links are dead.
  2. I'm looking at some of the kit-supplied slipper tanks and, at least for the 90-gallon tank, ICM and Special Hobby don't seem to agree on the length, with the ICM offering being about 1/8" longer than Special Hobby's. A Google search hasn't helped much, so I'm wondering if anybody has come across the actual real-world dimensions of the 30-, 45- and 90-gallons slipper tanks?
  3. Hi Rob, I haven't seen a Kinetic kit in the flesh so I don't think it would be fair to try and compare the two. (and I haven't looked at a Hasegawa kit in a while) In one of your photos you have a nice close up of the left side of the tail. It looks to be more subdued than the divots that Hawegawa has there, but I'm not sure.
  4. I haven't built a Hasegawa kit yet, but the heavy rivet dimpling, particularly on the wings (and the tailplane?), is something I'd want to eliminate or greatly reduce somehow. I've seen a lot of operational CF-104s in the flesh and the wing riveting is virtually invisible under a coat of paint.
  5. Lots of good progress going on there! For the tip tank painting of an AETE aircraft, you should note that in those photos there are bands of Day-Glo and camera access panels painted in Red. It's very hard to tell from the photos but to these eyes it appears that the bottom of the wings is really in the ball park for Grey 501-109.
  6. I found one photo online that shows a CF-18 (painted in 36375 on the bottom) flying alongside a CP-104 Aurora in the original white over Grey 501-109 colour scheme. Unfortunately it is of such poor quality that it's useless to use to compare the two aircraft's lower surface colours.
  7. Hi Rob, I wouldn't recommend FS 36375 as a substitute. While being a slightly cool grey it still doesn't even come close to distinct bluish-green-grey character of Grey 501-109. Other colours like RAF Sky and Luftwaffe Hellgrau 76 are a bit closer but are still pretty far off the mark, depending on how concerned you are about such things. I think that Frank Cuden's paint mix described above resulted in a pleasing representation of the colour. The wing bottom colour on the CF-104 is certainly not easy to describe and the shift seen colour photos and computer monitors doesn't help. It is very susceptible to shifts in appearance. A story I have told about this colour is that when I got the CAF Refinishers at CFB Winnipeg to spray some of this paint (as it was used on the CC-129 Dakota) on the colour chips we used for the IPMS Canada Canadian Colours Guide I took a dry sheet outside and was admiring it in the sunlight. A few hundred yards away a Dak was landing and from that distance it looked like a much brighter greenish grey and I thought the refinishers had screwed up. That same Dak taxi'd up to our hangar and shut down and I took the sheet over and realized that it was exactly the same shade. I don't know the history of how this colour got selected for use on RCAF/CAF aircraft (e.g., Argus, Aurora, Dakota, Neptune, Sea King, Tracker, and the CF-104), but it is also the same colour specified for the hulls of RCN/CAF ships. I did some comparisons to Royal Navy colours during the war and it got me to wondering if this might have been the origin of this colour for our equipment. It seems to be very close to the Admiralty colour B66, but I've never dug any further into it to see if there is a connection. If you Google up "royal navy ship colours" and search around for images of this colour you'll get an idea of how it looked. The B66 colour here didn't look too bad, but that's without comparing it to the original samples: https://www.sovereignhobbies.co.uk/pages/british-royal-navy-colour-schemes
  8. Hi Rob, For the camera windows I think you've got it right on; two round camera windows, and two rectangular windows; of course these would have to be optically flat windows in order to reduce distortion. I've asked a question about these tip tanks on a Facebook group for CAF Photo Techs/Image Techs, but I haven't yet heard back from anybody in my old military trade that worked on CEPE/AETE CF-104 camera pods. Note that the cameras would only be mounted and visible if they were installed for a specific tasking.
  9. (sorry for the delay in putting this together) Hi Rob, That particular scheme on the CF-104 carries a mix of 1-GP-12c colour 609-401 Day-Glo Red-Orange and the Canadian 1-GP-12c colour Red 509-102 or by the later specified (starting in 1971) colour of Red 509-101. Red 509-101 was later replaced by the closest FS595 colour, Red 11105. It’s a reasonably close replacement colour. According to Pat Martin’s great series of books on RCAF and CAF aircraft schemes and colours, the CF-104 in Canada originally had a horizontal stabilizer painted in Day-Glo Red-Orange, as were some of the panels on the sides of the intakes and on the tip tanks. However, due to the unacce1ptably high level of time and resources needed to apply and maintain this paint, in 1965 the Day-Glo was withdrawn from use as the “Search markings” colour for the wingtips and tailplanes and was replaced by a normal red paint. This wouldn’t have been an instantaneous change-over; as the time came for the Day-Glo areas to be refinished, the areas would have been stripped and refinished in the new red shade. There are 1967 photos of CEPE (the predecessor of AETE) CF-104s clearly showing them with a normal red tailplane, along with the Day-Glo intake and tip tank markings. Unfortunately it’s hard to tell what colour is being used on the tailplane of 104704 at the time of the 1974 belly view photo from AETE. It might have been Day-Glo, but for my modelling money I’d go with a normal red for the tailplane. Those CEPE/AETE Day-Glo markings changed from time to time on the CF-104, as did the colour and type of tip tanks being flown. AETE had some modified tip tanks, named “Separation Camera Pod”, to hold motion picture cameras, again to get different views of whatever they wanted to record. This added some new access panels and camera apertures to the standard CF-104 tip tank. In some shots the access panels are visible as the red-painted areas on the outboard sides of the natural metal tip tanks (these pods were later painted overall red). The inboard sides had four camera windows, two round and two rectangular, to allow recording of whatever event was being studied. Sidebar note on the CF-104 wings - the lower surface of natural metal CF-104s was Grey 501-109, which is not matched by any FS595 colour. Here’s an extract from a CP-140 article written by IPMS Canada member Frank Cuden in RT Vol.37, No. 4: That Elusive Canadian shade - Grey, 1-GP-12c 501-109 With the help of RT Editor Steve Sauvé an original paint sample of 1-GP-12c Grey 501-109 was secured and sent to me. Then it was just a matter of mixing colours to get the right and unique shade of grey for the model. [Steve] had obtained [the paint sample] from a CAF aircraft refinishing section that was spraying this colour onto a CC-129 Dakota, so you don’t get much more accurate than that. White Ensign’s [version of this] colour [White Ensign Models paint, WEMCC M23 Modern Royal Canadian Navy RCN Grey 501‑109] seemed too intense and too ‘blue’ whereas the original mix of Testors Model Master enamels USSR Interior Green, Insignia White and Light Gull Gray... made the shade ‘spot on’. Frank’s Model Master Mix for Grey 501-109 5 parts FS 36440 Gull Gray 3 parts Flat White 1 part USSR Interior Blue-Green
  10. Here are a couple of shots of that camera turret as used on that AETE CF-104. I don't know if it was fitted on their other Starfighters, as it looks like they had to cut a hole into the belly skin to make room for the installation. You can see that the white camera body points straight down so I am assuming that there's a 45-degree mirror to bounce the image up to the lens. I'm sure the turret could rotate to point at whatever was being studied at the time on the fuselage or wings. I hope these links will bring you to the images: https://www.dropbox.com/s/17wu4hydafy5jzz/DND Canada photo AEC74-119 CF-104 having belly camera pod installed.jpg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/392wwdn6webhhu1/DND Canada photo AEC74-118 CF-104705 and tech with camera pod.jpg?dl=0
  11. Well, a quick search on the other computer didn't turn up the desired Canadian War Museum images I took, so a deeper search is underway as I type this. Here are a couple of shots of P8332 when it was photographed in the 1960's at the then-National Aviation Museum in Ottawa. This is certainly a rebuild/restoration so there are a number of odd features on the aircraft that are "not on" for this variant or even for a Spitfire. However the lower wing bulges are visible, so hopefully they advance the conversation until I can find the desired imagery. DND Canada photo PL-144713 DND Canada photo PL-144714 And if you're dismayed by the incorrect features seen above, here is the same aircraft prior to the restoration, on display at RCAF Station Borden, Ontario. I don't have a date for the photo, but I'm guessing it's in the 1950's or maybe the early 1960's DND Canada photo PCN-202
  12. Okay, I'll dig for it in the home office hard drive later today. Unfortunately the room is adjacent to the bedroom where SWMBO is sleeping for her night shift at the hospital. I fear for my life if I wake her up; I'm sure you understand.
  13. Somewhere on a hard drive I have photos of the underside of the wing of the Canadian War Museum's Mk. IIb (P8332) which is on display on an elevated platform here in Ottawa. If I find it I'll post the picture up here. I searched online and found a few ground-level photos but you don't get a good view of the cannon bulge arrangement.
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