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robw_uk
OK, so I was originally going to do some dodgy World Cup related plane but have thought, hey, what if the MB-326 was converted for Electronic Surveliance/Warfare... . sort of like the Intruder/Prowler....

so I am thinking

extending the nose (afterall it would need a better radar platform) and adding a 3rd seat... problem with that is that it would be a bizarre 3rd position - behind the 2nd.... not sure how that would work/look to have 3 in a line rather than 2 + 1.....

so thoughts

1) extend nose from infront of the cockpit
2) insert spacer into cockpit areea (clear part is knackered anyway so that will be covered as for storage)

but that got me thinking

surely if I increase the length & weight, the engine (single on the 326)O wont cope - perhaps it needs 2 engines.... and the wings - would I get enough lift with the originalwing configuration..... well first things first - will start with the nose as I "think" that is the simplest.

in terms of markings.... then thought Argentinian... but up to date so maybe US Grey config or perhaps something "interesting" - will have to see what paint I have in and see (maybe dark gery on dark grey cammo

anyway.... will be hacking this at the same time as the Dragonfly but WIP will be up soon as I start.....
ChancerUK
You could load a large part of the electronics into an underside fairing, deepen the fuslage and heve the 3rd set with a circular side window forward or aft of the main cockpit. Love the core idea looking forward to seeing your progress.
Basosz
I agree with Chancer. Cool idea. Lots of work though and we're already two weeks into the build. Will you be ready in time? I really hope so as this sounds very nice
robw_uk
dont think there is enough clearance below the aircraft to add much underneath - was going to add some sort of "pod" underneath anyway... any "extra window" would have to go in the nose as the engine is directly behind the cockpit.... but guess I could do this....

as to being ready on time - good question - but you guys wont kick me out if I am late (I hope) so will build it anyway using the GB as a foundation

EDIT

ok... done some more research an dfound the RF-4B reconnaissance Phantom of circa the same era as the MB-326... this tells me a number of things

1) the nose was 4ft longer (2.5cm in 1/48 scale)
2) it did NOT have a 3rd crew member. The rear seat had flight controls removed
3) cameras in the nose (should be able to do something)

basically then I will add this lot to the MB-326

An AN/APQ-102 reconnaissance SLAR was fitted, with antenna faired into the lower fuselage sides, just ahead of the intakes. This SLAR was capable of tracking both fixed and moving targets. An AN/AAD-4 infrared reconnaissance system was fitted in the fuselage belly just behind the SLAR. AN APR-25/27 radar homing and warning system was used, an ASW-25B one-way datalink was installed. An ALQ-126 deceptive electronic countermeasures package was installed, which obviated the need to carry external jammer pods. An ARC-105 communication transceiver was fitted, which required that large fin-skin shunt antennae be faired into both sides of the vertical fin. A Litton ASN-48 inertial navigation system was carried.

data courtsey of http://www.mcara.us/RF-4B.html
robw_uk
aiming to start work on this tonight.... no cockpit as the canpoy is well and truley knackered so straight on with building the fuselage..... pics to come so you can see what I am battling with!!!!!!!

robw_uk
and for your delectation - a rough idea what I will do.... am 99% sure it will not look like this..... red bits are my main areas of work


aermacchi-mb326ew by rob_william_worth, on Flickr
robw_uk
and now.... 2 possible schemes..... anyone have a preference... it will be (probably) Argentine navy but need to check what decals for the kit I have available....


aermacchi-mb326ew-scheme by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


aermacchi-mb326ew-scheme1 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr

RussTnailZ
Please stop posting pics of my painting skills everyone will get jealous rofl.gif seriously tho very intresting idea look forward to seeing the build

Russ
robw_uk
QUOTE (RussTnailZ @ Aug 19 2010, 01:30 PM) *
Please stop posting pics of my painting skills everyone will get jealous rofl.gif seriously tho very intresting idea look forward to seeing the build

Russ


I got a G in GCSE Art - I can see why... just me & my moust & Adobe Elements.... mind it will be as good when the airbrush hits the plastic....
robw_uk
having looked at the kt again I may have to slightly revise the way the nose looks but that will wait til i butcher it (position of the nose wheel)... anyway.. I like the green/brown ARMARDA colours supplied so thought I would "modernise" them slightly and go with lizard (is taht what you call it)


aermacchi-mb326ew-scheme2 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr

thought of habving eyes on either side as a little "i'm watching you" type bravado signature.... but will see how I manage with the build (looks just as good without it IMO)
robw_uk
ok... here we go... first set of photos showing box, pieces (note the damage to one of the tail halves and the damage to the canopy (necessitating the canopy to be covered for storage)


IMG_9456 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9457 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9458 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9459 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr

and now a bigger backstory

2014... Argentine 0 Brazil 8 in the World Cup Final

Argentinian President, Diego Maradonna, is vilified for the lack of performance from the team.... in a fit on anger he decides to take revenge. Argentinian units invade Brazil and make good progress. Their airfore brings out their MB326EW variants (secretly developed in the Buenos Aires suburbs to provide electronic surveilance and reconnasiance) and they prove that, even tho their airframes are old, they are invaluable platforms with improved radaar and surveilance capability....

The Brazillian rainforest is a new terrain for warfare and the colour schemes are adapted to blend the aircraft better.........
Basosz
That kit looks nothing like the pictures you made...
robw_uk
QUOTE (Basosz @ Aug 19 2010, 08:04 PM) *
That kit looks nothing like the pictures you made...


the pictures are just for me to toy with colour schemes.... the nose will be modified vs the kit too......
robw_uk
ok... som e progress.... fuselage and wings assembled... nose butchered (need to work on the join some more I know).... added underside "recce pod" - a little far back due to air brake and some access panels and then side mounted extra fuel tanks (sort of like the A4 had on the top but moved to eitehr side)...... so photos (no laughing)


IMG_9460 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9461 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9462 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9463 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr

still working on the nose.... need to ensure the gap is very smooth.... going to add another recce pod (camera unit) unde rthe nos (like the Phantom recce bird)... tail repair is also under way then will add a few more recce part then move to the paint shop
TaiidanTomcat
Nice look to it
robw_uk
managed to get the nose about 50% decent.... not toally sure on the position of the "nose camera" especially where it joins the nose wheel bay... may lower it by about 1 mm to make it flush with the original molding.... as you can see I have added about 15mm to the front - it dont half make for an odd looking piece of junk.........

anyway, should be hitting it with some paint soon - not sure whether to preshade as it will be mostly darker shades of green..... think I will do as I am still learning and tend to usually overpaint the main colours and want to try to apply thinner coats (also going to consider achryllics for the camo scheme this time)


_MG_9469 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


_MG_9470 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr
Daniel
The schemes all look good to me, and the more you can hang off it the better!

Dan
robw_uk
QUOTE (Daniel @ Aug 26 2010, 05:18 PM) *
The schemes all look good to me, and the more you can hang off it the better!

Dan


thanks Dan..... still not sure on the scheme... may just do SEAC as that seems to be in line with Argentinian aircraft.... but may risk something more modern.... am not 100% sure yet (the back story is crap I know but like the idea of modern camouflage on the aircraft)...

as to hanging stuff.. now run out of 1:48 spares (considering this was my only 1:48) so it will be unarmed but will add more fins for arials etc to just break things up a bit......
Nobby
Hey up mate ....just a small suggestion....If i had been doing this i would have used Milliput for re-profiling the nose...you could have played around for about an hour before with the stuff before it go's of. The tube putty is ok for filling small gaps but is not good for restructuring stuff. You could still do it if you grind most of the other stuff off. Just a thought mate. It is starting to look like it's full of electronics though with the stuff you've added......Time to battle with mine now! piliot.gif
robw_uk
have started to slap paint on... as my 8yo said - its an ugly plane with green camouflage - such a lovely son! but anyway.... first of 3 colours on... next green tomorrow then brown later in the week.... freecamo is the way to go so photos at the end of the week (the grey underside looks a bit pale, may look for advice on that)
robw_uk
ok... so as I said in my last post the paint has started to go on... the underside grey looks a bit light (no photos as it is masked up for the upper surfaces) so may get redone (or once the white plastic is covered it may look ok).... first green went on last night - it highlights a huge lip on the nose that I will need to address (tempted to cover if the canopy cover can be pushed that far).... so just some bad quality images for an update:


IMG_9481 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9478 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9477 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9480 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr
RussTnailZ
Coming along nicely mate

Russ
robw_uk
2nd colour, and attempted sort of digital.......


IMG_9486 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9484 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9483 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9482 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9485 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr

I am plesently suprised at the finsih... probably about 50% good... will look better (well to me anyway) when I have the final colour and all the edges are angular... the masking took the time to do rather than the painting... but hey, for a first effort its passable


EDIT

for the first time both SWMBO and my son thought my paint was "cool".... hope for my hobby yet ;-)
robw_uk
ok.. so first stab at pixelated paint is not a total disaster. For the next time (if there is a next time) I think it would be better to apint the lighest colour all er the airfram rather than only where I expect it to be. It seems that the masking means that yuo cover a fair amount, if you dont have much to start with it leaves the light colour over-powered by the other too. Also maybe the "square" size is too big. It was 1/8th of an inch but, any smaller would be a nightmare to cut out (need harper blade in modelling knife rather than scissors). Anyway..... the photos of where I am


IMG_9498 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9504 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9499 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9500 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9501 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9502 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9503 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr
Deon
great scheme! If you do an Armada aircraft, there's only one 'r' in it smile.gif
robw_uk
QUOTE (Deon @ Sep 6 2010, 09:08 AM) *
great scheme! If you do an Armada aircraft, there's only one 'r' in it smile.gif


yeah I spotted that once I mocked up the paint scheme.... luckily the decals have it spelt correctly ;-)
Metallicus
That actually looks really sweet!! Well done!
robw_uk
QUOTE (Metallicus @ Sep 6 2010, 03:26 PM) *
That actually looks really sweet!! Well done!


thanks for that - I think for my first attempt at pixel-paint its not bad... have mentioned somethings I would do different which is always a good start... may repeat on the bottom in 3-colour grey, not totally sure yet.......
Metallicus
I think that is a brilliant idea!!! Go for it!!
robw_uk
QUOTE (Metallicus @ Sep 6 2010, 03:46 PM) *
I think that is a brilliant idea!!! Go for it!!



you do like me to work for my hobby....... will see what colours I have in that go with the grey (yes it is grey) I have the underside painted.... but now I know the technique it should be 1-2 hours work per colour (enamel paints......)

ok, so thats this weeks work (thanks!!!!!)
Metallicus
lol...anytime
TaiidanTomcat
I think it looks great its not an easy mask job to pull off but I think you did very well (especially considering its your first attempt at digital) I have plenty of ideas but have yet to actually try digital camo. hope it works as well for me as it did for you.
robw_uk
QUOTE (TaiidanTomcat @ Sep 6 2010, 05:11 PM) *
I think it looks great its not an easy mask job to pull off but I think you did very well (especially considering its your first attempt at digital) I have plenty of ideas but have yet to actually try digital camo. hope it works as well for me as it did for you.


thanks for the comment......

i think making the "pixels" big is a start, making them much smaller would;ve been a pain to cut (1/48 lends itself to about 1/8th inch).. but think painting a base colour of the lightest is the best way, otherwise the first colour you paint tends to get "eaten"... I also need to look at adding patches into blocks of other colours..... so "after the event" type extra detailing
TrojanThunder
That is coming along nicely Rob! thumbsup.gif That camo scheme is excellent!

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robw_uk
QUOTE (TrojanThunder @ Sep 7 2010, 12:31 AM) *
That is coming along nicely Rob! thumbsup.gif That camo scheme is excellent!

beers.gif


well thank you.... I am going to look to repeat in 3-grey on the underside..... just think the plain underneath doesnt look right (am tempted actually to do the SEAC underneath so that the colours wrap round - not 100% sure which way to jump.....
Muller
Looks great! Digi grey camo on the bottom would look ccol.

Did you say you're using a scissors to cut out the square masks?? Saw this method for cutting out the masks somewhere. Mark out your squares to the size you want on a piece of tape and slice with a blade (needs to be sharp, mine wasn't), lots of squares!!

robw_uk
QUOTE (Muller @ Sep 7 2010, 11:42 AM) *
Looks great! Digi grey camo on the bottom would look ccol.

Did you say you're using a scissors to cut out the square masks?? Saw this method for cutting out the masks somewhere. Mark out your squares to the size you want on a piece of tape and slice with a blade (needs to be sharp, mine wasn't), lots of squares!!



that might work... what I did for the top was get the tape and then draw on the pattern (mostly they were the edges between the 2 colours). This works not too bad.... for the "central" small areas I will need to have open masks (did it on one part). I did try to cut the shape but my blade was also not sharp enough....
PHaTNesS
I thought you did use a knife, looks even more effective considering! Looking forward to the underside!
robw_uk
QUOTE (PHaTNesS @ Sep 7 2010, 06:44 PM) *
I thought you did use a knife, looks even more effective considering! Looking forward to the underside!


and they are kitchen scissors - cant find the small ones... maybe smaller would allow smaller squares........ anwyay - grey underside will start Thursday/Friday depending on work
robw_uk
QUOTE (robw_uk @ Sep 7 2010, 08:57 PM) *
and they are kitchen scissors - cant find the small ones... maybe smaller would allow smaller squares........ anwyay - grey underside will start Thursday/Friday depending on work


have no found the small scissors..... thoughts needed guys - with the underside, should I keep the "squares" the same size as the top and line them up with the SEAC (so brown = light grey then the 2 greens match mid & dark grey) or does it matter..... I know its WHIF but want it to be at least semi-decent paint scheme......
PHaTNesS
QUOTE (robw_uk @ Sep 8 2010, 11:15 AM) *
have no found the small scissors..... thoughts needed guys - with the underside, should I keep the "squares" the same size as the top and line them up with the SEAC (so brown = light grey then the 2 greens match mid & dark grey) or does it matter..... I know its WHIF but want it to be at least semi-decent paint scheme......


Can you combine the underside pixels with some from the upper colours so that they overlap each other and blend in? It would sort out your demarcation line being too high up the fuselage?

Just a thought.
moaning dolphin
Good looking build you have, loving the the paint scheme! Wasn't too sure about your suggestion with regards to the recce pod, but having seen it, it looks really good. Has got the thoughts going now, might have to pop over to the coffee shack tomorrow and see what they have available!

Keep up the good work

Bob
robw_uk
QUOTE (PHaTNesS @ Sep 8 2010, 08:44 PM) *
Can you combine the underside pixels with some from the upper colours so that they overlap each other and blend in? It would sort out your demarcation line being too high up the fuselage?

Just a thought.


hmmmm if I hadnt already masked her up - but could do some patch masking aftyer the event (am going with the original grey but that may be too light so will see how it comes out.....
robw_uk
2nd grey on - and this is a nicer grey than the one recomended for SEAC (will maybe use it for the Dragonfly which has the same SEAC colouring(. Will mask up for grey 3 tonight, spray it tomorrow and then take photos..... then I need to repaint the wheel wells, undercarriage, wheels as they are painted grey at the moment (I dont know why), add a few more paint touches (yellow combat marking that seems an affectation of Argentine aviation) and then will be ready to move on to decals......
robw_uk
here we go... grey underside done and am not too unhappy about it..... some detail painting to do (need to redo wheel-wells, air-brake and the yellow combat marking that argentine aircraft sometimes carry.....


IMG_9506 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


_MG_9516 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


_MG_9517 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr


IMG_9510 by rob_william_worth, on Flickr

as usual, thoughts/comments much appreciated.....
tc2324
Thats very nice and works for me. Looking forward to the next post. cool.gif
robw_uk
QUOTE (tc2324 @ Sep 9 2010, 08:24 PM) *
Thats very nice and works for me. Looking forward to the next post. cool.gif


thanks.... the mid grey is not as prominent as I expected but that is more like pixel than the top... from looking around I noticed that you have 1 maybe 2 prominent shades and then 2 (in my case 1) or even 3 other shades to break things up.... again, more learning for next time (hmmmm pixellated Spitfire anyone).....
Metallicus
You see I told you! That looks really AwEsOmE!!
robw_uk
QUOTE (Metallicus @ Sep 10 2010, 11:36 AM) *
You see I told you! That looks really AwEsOmE!!


thanks for that - yes you were right.... using a craft knife to cut the masks also made a difference - allowed more complex wiggles.... think doing smaller than 1/8" would be possible......
Daniel
Looks great, you can see that scheme working on a lot of planes.

Dan
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