Erwin Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) Hi all, Can the new 1/32 nd Revell He 111 kit be build out of the box to make a Afrikakorps plane ? Edited October 21, 2011 by Erwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Whittingham Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Hi Erwin, Sorry to disappoint you, but I think the AfriKa Korps He 111 were H models. The P apparently did not last long in Luftwaffe service. YOu could however do a Rumanian P! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango98 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Hi Erwin, I have just gone through the complete ORBAT for Luftwaffe units operating in the North African theatre and the earliest version of He 111 used there was the H-2 variant of which five were operated out of Kastelli by the Korpskette X Fliegerkorps. All other He 111s operating there from the beginning to the end of the North African campaign were either H-3 or H-6 models. FWIW, like the navy, the Afrika Korps didn't have any aircraft - they all belonged to the Luftwaffe or, as Göring said, "Everything that flies belongs to me!" HTH Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungo1974 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Dare i ask?......So how different is a He111P from a H series? This kit wasn't really on my radar.....but a nice Desert schemed North Africa campaign could change that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck1945 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 The P series were equipped with DB engines, with the supercharger intake on the port side of the cowl like the Bf 109. Since the DB engines were in high demand for 109s, the He 111 was re-equipped with Jumo engines and became the He 111H. The intake was moved to the starboard side similar to the Jumo engined Fw 190Ds. There were also detail differences with regards to glazing and armament but those held true for various sub-types whether P or H. The main difference between the P-1/2 and the H-1/2 was the engine change, later more mods were introduced on subsequent H sub-types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilgrim_UK Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 So a resin update set with Jumo engines and some extras could turn the Revell plane into an H series. A nice can of worms that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amos brierley Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Hi - one suggestion for doing a `P` version would be to make it into a Spanish Civil war A/C with that lovely red/green/grey splinter scheme - as per the Hasegawa 1/72 `P` boxing or Kagero H111 Vol 2 book front inner cover, said book has a H6 Sonderkommando Blaich , Africa 1942. All P birds seem to be 70/71/65 which realy is not my bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test Graham Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 The Hasegawa P is not Spanish Civil War (although the colours may be) but an unusual scheme partway between the two Luftwaffe standards of 61/62/63 and 70/71. Surprisingly, it has not been recognised in any of the Luftwaffe camouflage guide books! This was seen on a handful of Ps prewar, including some very commonly reproduced photos, and can be distinguished by the very light nose. The P was not used in Spain, or in Romania, but the Romanian H-3s also appeared in this rare colour scheme. Romania also had H-6s in standard 70/71. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Eisenman Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 One of the very few Ps in 61/62/63/65. I have gone through my references and found only two pictures of a P model in the 61/62/63/65 scheme. They are of two different aircraft in the same unit (25+A33 and 25+E33). The third and fifth aircraft. 25+E33 aircraft has been misidentified a number of times as belonging to III / KG 255 "Alpen" and the profile in the March 2002 SAMI shows it with the Edelweiss emblem. These aircraft belonged to III (Kampf) / LG1 (formerly III /KG 152) 3 staffel. The markings in the Hasegawa kit would indicate both II and III (Kampf) / LG1 (formerly II and III /KG 152) 3 Staffel. [23 = II Gruppe 3 staffel and 33 = III Gruppe 3 staffel] I cannot make out the unit emblem on 25+A33, but to me it resembles the Lion of I / KG 26. But I could be mistaken. So, as to the Hase marking, in general there are few, if only a couple, P models in the early camouflage scheme. Also, the aircraft in the picture was used in a training unit, so I doubt is was in an active bomber role at the ime. If I have made incorrect statements, please make corrections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Test Graham Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 The lower photo is new to me, thanks for showing them. There is another (from the same session?) in Green's classic Warplanes of the Third Reich, and the prototype P (He111V-8 D-AQUO) also seems to be in this scheme. It would be good to find a top view of the aircraft, as I'm not convinced by Hasegawa's representation. It is a bit unfair to translate Lehr as simply training: it was a specialised unit made up of experienced crews and used to work-up new operational techniques. Both the later LG1 and LG2 were to be used as front-line units in WW2, LG1 having lead the way with fighter-bomber versions of the Bf109 and LG2 with the Ju88. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango98 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 FWIW, the closest English language translation of Lehrgeschwader would be Operational Development Wing. Cheers Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Eisenman Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Thank you Graham and Dave for the correct description of the unit. But, it is a different scheme for P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungo1974 Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Nice scheme.....does make me wonder why on earth Revell decided to do a P series rather than the more common H family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heraldcoupe Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 does make me wonder why on earth Revell decided to do a P series rather than the more common H family Availability of a correctly restored example to measure, Cheers, Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
62-64-78 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Availability of a correctly restored example to measure,Cheers, Bill. http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/heinkel/he111.htm Foto nr. 6 (from top) shows a He 111 P in the mediterenian area in 1942. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arniec Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/heinkel/he111.htmFoto nr. 6 (from top) shows a He 111 P in the mediterenian area in 1942. I have been looking at the picture, but It looks more like a H than a P. If you look at the propellor blades it is more likely to be a H6 or even a later version. They are to wide for a P. But maybee I am wrong? Cheers Arnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 The P was not used in Spain, or in Romania, but the Romanian H-3s also appeared in this rare colour scheme. Romania also had H-6s in standard 70/71. Hi, Graham, I do have it at sight now, but I would swear that the Aviprint sheet on foreign Heinkels comes with a P one, either Rumanian, Hungarian or Slovak. Fernando Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagemusha Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Hi, Graham,I do have it at sight now, but I would swear that the Aviprint sheet on foreign Heinkels comes with a P one, either Rumanian, Hungarian or Slovak. Fernando The Hungarians flew the P http://begemotdecals.ru/showpos.php?lang=2&id=23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arniec Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 I have gotten yesterday my model airplane international magazine (nr 76) and there is on page 51 a sideview of an He 111P-4 in African corps colours. It is VG + ES and it was used from Korpskette X. I have seen a picture with a captation that it was Rommel's Aircraft(?!) The picture was take from rear left hand site so, you can't see if it is a P or an H. I don''t know if it is correct. Cheers Arnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Eisenman Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 I have gotten yesterday my model airplane international magazine (nr 76) and there is on page 51 a sideview of an He 111P-4 in African corps colours.It is VG + ES and it was used from Korpskette X. I have seen a picture with a captation that it was Rommel's Aircraft(?!) The picture was take from rear left hand site so, you can't see if it is a P or an H. I don''t know if it is correct. Cheers Arnold My references indicate that VG+ES was an H-4 Werk Nr. 4085. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango98 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 FWIW, here's what I have on VG+ES: Heinkel He 111 H-6, W.Nr.4085 used by the Stab of SG.3 and also by the Kurierstaffel z.b.V Afrika where it is said to have been used by Rommel as his personal transport. HTH Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Eisenman Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 FWIW, here's what I have on VG+ES:Heinkel He 111 H-6, W.Nr.4085 used by the Stab of SG.3 and also by the Kurierstaffel z.b.V Afrika where it is said to have been used by Rommel as his personal transport. HTH Dave Thanks for the specifics and clarification. Can't see them letting Rommel fly around in a used P model! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arniec Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Thanxs steven and Dave for the clarification. I hade my suspicion about this one but didn't hade the resources to check it. Cheers Arnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tango98 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Glad I could help Arnold. Cheers Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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