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#1 Simon Cornes

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 09:45 AM

Can someone tell me what happened to these? I have a Luger P-08 and a broom handle Mauser but I keep them hidden in my parents loft because they are what they are! I bought these in the late 70's and now you don't see them. What happened? I can imagine the Police or Home Office banning imports because they look like the real thing but then you can buy air weapons that look like the real thing too.
If there was some sort of ban on such 'models' then I could do with knowing about it and whether its safe to take my pair out of 'deep storage'! Maybe I have to take them to the Police station in a box (certainly coudn't walk in with one in each hand!) so that they know I have them?

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 09:53 AM

The Violent Crime Reduction Act (VCRA) took away your average punter's right to buy or manufacture Realistic Immitation Firearms (RIF). It doesn't take away your right to own them if you already do though. There's also a hefty penalty if you're caught brandishing them in public places, so always transport them in a bag or container. As usual, a law that stops the law abiding from doing what they probably wouldn't do anyway, and the law breakers don't give a stuff about and carry on as normal :rolleyes:

Saying that, I've not seen these 1:1 kits in a long time, so their demise may not be connected? :shrug:

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 12:59 PM

I had lots of those back in the mid late 80's.....all hanging on my bedroom wall.
I had 3 M16's(standard,with M203 grenade,and Vietnam commando version)AK-47,L-85,Uzi,Thompson SMG,plus 3 or 4 pistols and replica grenades.
They dissapeared almost overnight from hobbyshops thanks to the heavy rule changes the government made after incidents like the Hungerford shootings.
The kits can still be found at carboots and on overseas Ebay sites.....but i don't think id risk trying to bring one in from Hong Kong thesedays.
A number of the handguns M1911,Luger etc were reboxed by Academy,but ive never seen the SMG's/Assult Rifle's in anything other than original LS boxings

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 01:52 PM

There's also a hefty penalty if you're caught brandishing them in public places



You are prosecuted as if they are real weapons the law does not distinguish between fake or real. ( or so I am led to believe)

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 02:34 PM

I have a few of these knocking about in the loft somewhere.

M16 and SA80 come to mind, there's a couple of .22 target pistols too that "fire" little orange plastic bullet things that clip into the cartridge cases.

I'm not sure if the M1911 is/was L+S, but it is equipped with Brass hollow bullets that you can fit percussion caps into and the "Self Load" action actually works (or worked).

Not seen these (L+S) for ages either, but I did notice some 1/3rd scale weapons in Hannants the other week, down the Dragon? aisle IIRC.

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 02:56 PM

of course, if you're caught brandishing them in public places you might get shot by a couple of policemen - just in case!

Good advice Mike - move them from A to B in a box!

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 03:12 PM

i suppose this includes bb guns???? ive one a revovler in a mates loft

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 03:29 PM

i suppose this includes bb guns???? ive one a revovler in a mates loft

Yep - BB guns or their posh title - Airsoft weapons. An invention by Tokyo Marui, who made the jump from toy guns to realistic looking BB guns and coined the name Airsoft. If you owned it before the VCRA came in (2007?), you're ok, but if you bought it after, you technically broke the law. :rolleyes:

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 03:50 PM

Yep - BB guns or their posh title - Airsoft weapons. An invention by Tokyo Marui, who made the jump from toy guns to realistic looking BB guns and coined the name Airsoft. If you owned it before the VCRA came in (2007?), you're ok, but if you bought it after, you technically broke the law. :rolleyes:


got them on a weekend away at steam fair !!!!! bored on a nite so got two set up targets in a field just killing time havent had them out for years defo before 2007

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 12:06 PM

This shows how severe the courts look on firearms even for Halfwits.

Guy gets 5 years

Edited by Pilgrim_UK, 24 September 2011 - 12:09 PM.


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Posted 24 September 2011 - 04:03 PM

This shows how severe the courts look on firearms even for Halfwits.

Guy gets 5 years

I belive thats the minimum sentence thesedays if one gets caught with illeagal firearms,same sentence applys if you get caught with replica's....you have been warned

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 04:22 PM

L&S seems to have gone out of business in the 1990's.

Some of their moulds were bought by a company called Arii. The only replica firearm produced by that company was the M72A1 66mm light anti-tank weapon. However it was not imported into the UK even before the VCRA.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 04:26 PM

I'm not sure if the M1911 is/was L+S, but it is equipped with Brass hollow bullets that you can fit percussion caps into and the "Self Load" action actually works (or worked).


I had the M-16, I don't remember it being able to 'fire' anything, the rounds were just plated plastic and although the feed mechanism could be cycled it was much too fragile to have let a cap off in it as I recall, mine fell apart with alarming regularity and creaked and squeaked every time I picked it up!

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 04:46 PM

"Maybe I have to take them to the Police station in a box (certainly coudn't walk in with one in each hand!) so that they know I have them?"

Sounds like a risky strategy to me. You might end up as a tick in the box of a crime fighter's targets. They take down the details and 24 hours later your house is the target of a SWAT team.

Edited by Nick Millman, 24 September 2011 - 04:58 PM.


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Posted 25 September 2011 - 11:28 AM

i also have the L+S M-16..as well as BB versions of the SA80, CAR-15, MP5, Uzi, Beretta 92, desert eagle. Also 2 air rifles and pistol. These are kept in a locked cupboard though due to having small children

every time there is a gun related incident, i troop off to our local police station, list in hand and ask if i need to register them. The response is usually..no you dont, but we dont want to see you carrying them in public..as you seem to be a sensible guy we think you know not to.

...might help when i show them my RAF Form 7257 RCO and coaching ticket and my NSRA shooting qualifictions though

think the rule of thumb here is if you look like a sensible guy to the local constabulary, you wont get a visit in the small hours by a bunch of guys in black toting MP5s

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Edited by kspriss, 25 September 2011 - 11:29 AM.


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Posted 25 September 2011 - 12:28 PM

"Maybe I have to take them to the Police station in a box (certainly coudn't walk in with one in each hand!) so that they know I have them?"

Sounds like a risky strategy to me. You might end up as a tick in the box of a crime fighter's targets. They take down the details and 24 hours later your house is the target of a SWAT team.



Nick I think that in certain parts of the country you may well be right! I like the idea of being 'above board' but I think the 'sneak it home in a box and keep Mum' might be the best approach!

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 01:04 PM

Nick I think that in certain parts of the country you may well be right! I like the idea of being 'above board' but I think the 'sneak it home in a box and keep Mum' might be the best approach!


i use this technique to get most of my kits past SWMBO!!

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 03:09 PM

Yep - BB guns or their posh title - Airsoft weapons. An invention by Tokyo Marui, who made the jump from toy guns to realistic looking BB guns and coined the name Airsoft. If you owned it before the VCRA came in (2007?), you're ok, but if you bought it after, you technically broke the law. :rolleyes:


A few corrections -
BB and airsoft BB guns are completely different things!

BB(BALL BEARING) guns are air guns made for the American market. They fire 4.5mm diameter copper plated steel balls.

Airsoft BB(BALL BULLET) guns are made for airsoft wargames. They fire plastic(will mineral filler) or compressed wheat flour 6mm or 8mm balls. The term was NOT coined by Tokyo-Marui but by other Japanese manufacturers, possibly JAK. Toyko Marui invented the AEG(Automatic Electric Gun), the older manufacturers used a gas bottle as a power source.

If the BB revolver previously refered to fires ball bearings(ie steel balls) from a cartridge based air supply it must be licenced or surrendered to the police; it is illegal to sell or give the weapon to another person(2003 anti-social behaviour act). If it fires ball bullet("plastic" balls) it is an airsoft gun.

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 03:28 PM

Pretty sure here in Canada they are out right banned from being imported

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 12:19 PM

LS gun kits always had a patchy distrubution outside Japan. I' pretty sure at least some of them could use caps to reproduce the cycle of the real weapon. Of course they were way too expensive for me and now that I could afford one they are long gone, with LS closing in the late '80s. However with airsoft guns available, I'm not sure LS kits would be interesting anymore, as airsofts look like the real thing, some of them are now full metal and canbe great fun to shoot. Before anyone starts worrying, where I live airsoft replicas are legal to buy without licence. Only problem is that the couple of L1A1 replicas that hit the market a few years ago are now impossible to find....

LS was not the only company to do 1/1 gun replicas: Marushin in Japan did a few, academy has already been mentioned and Pyro had a line of ancient arms, ome of them reboxed by Lindberg.
If you can read spanish, this site has some info on 1/1 scale gun models
http://model-kit-ls-...1.blogspot.com/