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[Mick Modeller]

Yes Mick I agree... I was not getting into any political area.... And Im aware of the books you mentioned...... The einsatz were not a part of the W-SS.... But sadly for the vast majority that served that had no part in the larger crimes as such... The organisation that thier units were a part of. Was a large part of these crimes..... They were the soldiers of a political movement, but were mostly esp in the 'premier units' ie the Panzer Divisions, too heavily engaged in the Battles that raged on two fronts...... For example the only political reason Werner Volkner gave for joining, was to right the wrongs of the treaty of Versailles....... Yes I have his book, Signed to myself.... He did serve in an armoured recce unit of the British Army and as you mentioned, his son served in the RAF......... A lot of words have been written about the W-SS not all of them good......... But with time, the truth that all sides commited 'atrocities' is coming out..... This has been reflected in two films, Band of Brothers and Saving private Ryan..... Both from the same director............. Neither this post or any other post of mine on this subject were intended to show political bias....... Yes this is a modellers forum, and to many Armour modellers these units are of interest......... And to my mind the subject is no more controversial than, many other modelling subject matter.... Mick, I will have a look and see if I have any pics of S42

Don't worry my comments weren't aimed at you, just the ill-informed that will trundle along and always have to have their say. The problem that will always stick to the Waffen is that their boss was the same as that of the other low-lifes. No matter which army it is there is always a jealousy to the elite units, particularly amongst those that would never have made it into the elites and the Waffen are no different. When you talk to old soldiers, by listening to their accounts you can often tell the front swine form the remfs, the frontswine having little ill to say about them, indeed very often an admiration as difficult fighters.

I guess I'll have to get some photos taken and move onto the "Work in Progress" section.....

[Wayne rc]

Don't worry my comments weren't aimed at you, just the ill-informed that will trundle along and always have to have their say. The problem that will always stick to the Waffen is that their boss was the same as that of the other low-lifes. No matter which army it is there is always a jealousy to the elite units, particularly amongst those that would never have made it into the elites and the Waffen are no different. When you talk to old soldiers, by listening to their accounts you can often tell the front swine form the remfs, the frontswine having little ill to say about them, indeed very often an admiration as difficult fighters.

I guess I'll have to get some photos taken and move onto the "Work in Progress" section.....

I again agree, last thing we need is someone coming along and getting the wrong end of the stick, and maybe wagging a finger, And then Mick, we have to have the debate that you like me have probably heard too often.... Anyway, S43 I will have a look, I take it that its probably one of the final type of the early cupola type, you know what I mean, as the new cupola production started late summer 43 IIRC... If you search out some old History or Discovery channel clips, there are often bits and pieces of LAH Tigers autumn 43 in Russia, you know the thing, you will find it in a doc about the Bulge or Normandy or Berlin, never in a Doc about the Kessel schlact around Kiew and the Dnieper 43. Where the original footage comes from. How do these experts hold down a job....

[Derbyeomanry]

Will this be a scratch build or a conversion of a 1/16 RC model?

[Mick Modeller]

I again agree, last thing we need is someone coming along and getting the wrong end of the stick, and maybe wagging a finger, And then Mick, we have to have the debate that you like me have probably heard too often.... Anyway, S43 I will have a look, I take it that its probably one of the final type of the early cupola type, you know what I mean, as the new cupola production started late summer 43 IIRC... If you search out some old History or Discovery channel clips, there are often bits and pieces of LAH Tigers autumn 43 in Russia, you know the thing, you will find it in a doc about the Bulge or Normandy or Berlin, never in a Doc about the Kessel schlact around Kiew and the Dnieper 43. Where the original footage comes from. How do these experts hold down a job....

Not what you know, but who you know...........

My Favourite is the T-54/55 Tiger 1, have you seen?

My other pet hate is back to front projection, drives me nuts......


One for the Yeoman

It will be the Tamiya early Tiger 1, but I will be adding Aber's big detail kit and I'm going a little off topic for the finished vehicle, something as a tribute maybe, ooh and it will be full radio controlled.

For interest, I've a couple of projects on the "Work in Progress" section, the first a Leo 1A4 that I will am building as a 1 A1A1 and a Bengal Tiger that I built perhaps 20 years ago and undergoing a "depotinstandsetzung" The turret drive went US and needs replacing, added to this I'm going to be uprating the torsen bars, fit new (metal) tracks. I might even PE a lot of the hull, but I don't know, it might be better starting from scratch.

FYI, I'm a disabled vet with muscular and eye problems, so the work when it happens, finances allowing comes in fits and starts, so don't be expecting anything happening in a vast hurry.

[Derbyeomanry]

Good stuff - will watch with interest

[Wayne rc]

I tried to find some of S43, I only found S45 (the same as the decals in the Tamiya 1/35) and pic of S45 with smaller turret numbers........ That was in Restyans Tigers on the Eastern Front..... Your gonna have to drive that carefully with all that etch, Im re building my Tamiya RC Pershing at the mo, I had to buy a new hull top, and salvage the details from the old one, by the way Sowa also had a Tiger 1 number 222 in Normandy AFAIK.......by the way does the kit have the optional late sprockets and track holders for the turret, loaders periscope

[Mick Modeller]

I tried to find some of S43, I only found S45 (the same as the decals in the Tamiya 1/35) and pic of S45 with smaller turret numbers........ That was in Restyans Tigers on the Eastern Front..... Your gonna have to drive that carefully with all that etch, Im re building my Tamiya RC Pershing at the mo, I had to buy a new hull top, and salvage the details from the old one, by the way Sowa also had a Tiger 1 number 222 in Normandy AFAIK.......by the way does the kit have the optional late sprockets and track holders for the turret, loaders periscope

There is a German firm that sells spares for the RC tanks.

Sowa has a tiger in every orbat that I have, which made him interesting, Franz Staudegger is another possibility.

No optional sprockets, the track holders will either come from Aber or Schomo, same for the periscope.

[Wayne rc]

There is a German firm that sells spares for the RC tanks.

Sowa has a tiger in every orbat that I have, which made him interesting, Franz Staudegger is another possibility.

No optional sprockets, the track holders will either come from Aber or Schomo, same for the periscope.

Are the sprockets all metal, or are the hubs plastic, you could work those into 2nd pattern if so, or does schumo do them, Also of note is the number style change for the unit, the larger white outline with inner edge in black that started with the Italian holiday... Seem to have been replaced by smaller white outine only numbers, just aft and slightly below the trunnions. There are 2 books very expensive called I think Tigers in combat vol 1 & 2, about £ 75 each.... But they are very comprehensive... I want them, but like a lot of things I might have to wait

[Wayne rc]

There is a German firm that sells spares for the RC tanks.

Sowa has a tiger in every orbat that I have, which made him interesting, Franz Staudegger is another possibility.

No optional sprockets, the track holders will either come from Aber or Schomo, same for the periscope.

Are the sprockets all metal, or are the hubs plastic, you could work those into 2nd pattern if so, or does schumo do them, Also of note is the number style change for the unit, the larger white outline with inner edge in black that started with the Italian holiday... Seem to have been replaced by smaller white outine only numbers, just aft and slightly below the trunnions. These were in use by Jan 44 at the latest, as evidenced by Wittmans S04 at this date.... There are 2 books very expensive called I think Tigers in combat vol 1 & 2, about £ 75 each....Ive had a quick thumb through them, and wish I had'nt.... They are very comprehensive... And of course I want them, but like a lot of things I might have to wait

[Mick Modeller]

Are the sprockets all metal, or are the hubs plastic, you could work those into 2nd pattern if so, or does schumo do them, Also of note is the number style change for the unit, the larger white outline with inner edge in black that started with the Italian holiday... Seem to have been replaced by smaller white outine only numbers, just aft and slightly below the trunnions. There are 2 books very expensive called I think Tigers in combat vol 1 & 2, about £ 75 each.... But they are very comprehensive... I want them, but like a lot of things I might have to wait

The hubs is one thing that I haven't gone into in any depth yet, yeah the std sprockets are metal

Nice tip on the Tac numbers, know what you mean on the books, I collect the same, some come easy and others take time, spent two years trying to get Liebstandarte V2, then got 3 for good money in short order. It doesn't help when you're a book snob, aiming for hardbacks, first edition etc, etc. But you can get the paperback versions quite cheap.