WolvoWill Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=HA09764 Just listed on the Hannants site. Is it too much to hope for a Brit Harrier with the 100% LERX included in the box, and also a TIALD pod with associated pylon? Or will it be just as I expect - the original GR7 kit with a new decal sheet)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?FULL=HA09764Just listed on the Hannants site. Is it too much to hope for a Brit Harrier with the 100% LERX included in the box, and also a TIALD pod with associated pylon? Or will it be just as I expect - the original GR7 kit with a new decal sheet)? The latter - I'd wager!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 Given Hasegawa's propensity for doing the same kit over & over (especially F-XXs) with different decals, I'm with Bill... although it'd be nice to have an accurate one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilfgr2 Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 What is this 100% lerx thing??? dont understand it???? any clews.. Cheers, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 What is this 100% lerx thing??? dont understand it???? any clews..Cheers, Neil This refers to the Leading Edge Extensions on the wing/fuselage join.Depending on the aircraft serial number RAF Harriers can have either 65 or 100% LERX The Hasegawa 1/48 GR.7 comes with 65% LERX HTH Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil @ Flory Models Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 A little bird told me it is just a new decal sheet. :whistling: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolvoWill Posted April 19, 2007 Author Share Posted April 19, 2007 LERX = Leading Edge Root Extension! Basically its to do with the shape of the front of the wing at the very top where it meets the fuselage. Depending on factors that I'm not sure about, but roughly relating to whether the Harrier was an early GR5 airframe that was converted to GR7 and then maybe GR9 (small LERX, 65% area, built with this smaller area part of the wing for reasons unknown) or a later new build one (big LERX, 100% of the area originally called for when the airframe was designed). I've seen photos which seem to suggest airframes that were originally built with the small LERX now have the large one though, and there isn't any easy way of telling what any particular aircraft has what shaped LERX - some GR7s have the big one, some small, and the same goes for GR9s! All GR5s and 5As were small LERX, but then some seem to have been retro-fitted...most confusing! Anyway, the easiest way to see the differences is from above (have just knocked these up in Paint): Deciding whether a particular airframe is fitted with a small or big LERX from pictures taken on the ground can be tricky - the big LERX looks more curved from the side, but its a hard call to make with some photos, and its best to make a comparison to check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilfgr2 Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 Ah Ha, Im with you now, cheers for clearing that one.. Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilfgr2 Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 Oh, while we are on about Harrier's... Ive got the Hasegawa GR7 to build.. now, the thing is that i want a resin seat for it and looking at the seat used in the F/A 18 Hornet it looks very like the one used in the Harrier GR7.. is it the same sort of seat and are there any true resin seats in 48th scale for the GR7???? Cheers, Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanrgb Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 Sorry to but in on this thread but as some of you know I have a 1/24 GR3 What would I have to do to get it to look like a GR7 or A GR9 My modelling skills are not that great , but all i'd like to do is , to give it the apperance of a newer Harrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drewe Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 Oh, while we are on about Harrier's... Ive got the Hasegawa GR7 to build.. now, the thing is that i want a resin seat for it and looking at the seat used in the F/A 18 Hornet it looks very like the one used in the Harrier GR7.. is it the same sort of seat and are there any true resin seats in 48th scale for the GR7????Cheers, Neil It's definitely not the same seat. The Harrier GR.5/7/9/T.10 use the MB12 seat. one of only three aircraft to use it (for trivia fans the other two are the Mirage VBA "Elkan" MIRSIP and the IDF Ching Kuo). Quite different in overall shape to the MB10/14/16. Check Hannants, I think Aeroclub and probably Airwaves do it in 48th (I know they both do in 72nd) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 It's definitely not the same seat. The Harrier GR.5/7/9/T.10 use the MB12 seat. one of only three aircraft to use it (for trivia fans the other two are the Mirage VBA "Elkan" MIRSIP and the IDF Ching Kuo). Quite different in overall shape to the MB10/14/16. Check Hannants, I think Aeroclub and probably Airwaves do it in 48th (I know they both do in 72nd) The MB 12 is available from Aeroclub and AMRAAM Line. HTH Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolvoWill Posted April 19, 2007 Author Share Posted April 19, 2007 Sorry to but in on this thread but as some of you know I have a 1/24 GR3 What would I have to do to get it to look like a GR7 or A GR9 My modelling skills are not that great , but all i'd like to do is , to give it the apperance of a newer Harrier Its damn complicated, but it has been done, and even a conversion to a T10 is possible - the Harrier SIG proudly displays 1/24 models of both a GR7 and a T10 on its stand (saw them at Telford some years back), amongst the most impressive models I've ever seen frankly! You need a new forward fuselage and raised cockpit with 'bubble' canopy, lengthened tail with reshaped surfaces, different exhausts, new (extra) weapons pylons, different landing gear, then theres all the details, lumps 'n bumps. Its a Harrier, sure, but so much is new that to make a GR3 into a GR5, 7 or 9 (never mind the two seaters) would require an incredibly expansive and difficult amount of scratch building! Not to put you off, cos the results when done well are fabolus, but christ does it take lot of work. One for the advanced modeller and then some, in my view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanrgb Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 Ah Cheers for that I think I'm a bit out of my league for that one but Thanks for the info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil @ Flory Models Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 Back to Lerx's the hasagawa AV8B dose have 100% lerxs So may be it might have, I will have a word but I was told it was just decals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolvoWill Posted April 19, 2007 Author Share Posted April 19, 2007 I know they've done more than one AV8-B boxing with the big LERX, but it would be nice to have an RAF boxing that had it too - makes building a late model RAF bird fair simpler. The only way to get the part at the moment is to buy the AV8-B Plus Kit and scavenge the big LERX for your GR7/9, but it leaves you with a kit you can't complete then . Don't tell Hasegawa I'd do that though, whatever you do! I did notice that Heritage Aviations 1/48 Harrier T10 conversion seems to come with a resin 100% LERX, and I emailed them earlier asking if they'd make it available separately. However I've since discovered that the twin stick Harriers are all 65% LERX, so I think my eyes deceived me when I was looking at their photos earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeEaton Posted April 19, 2007 Share Posted April 19, 2007 I can't stand the look of 100% LERX fitted harriers. Lose all their shape and 'sexiness' (not wanting to sound to creepy) Those 100% LERX fitted AV8's just look too beefy and ungainly. Sean, go for it! If you think you have enough reference, time and patience, there's no limits to what you can acheive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 I'm a 100% LERX liker... and if you already have the 100% LERX parts on the other kit, why not just cast a new set in resin? That's what I'd do, and then you'd be able to use both kits Don't have resin making gear? Ask someone that does nicely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1POB Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 I know they've done more than one AV8-B boxing with the big LERX, but it would be nice to have an RAF boxing that had it too - makes building a late model RAF bird fair simpler. The only way to get the part at the moment is to buy the AV8-B Plus Kit and scavenge the big LERX for your GR7/9, but it leaves you with a kit you can't complete then . Don't tell Hasegawa I'd do that though, whatever you do! I did notice that Heritage Aviations 1/48 Harrier T10 conversion seems to come with a resin 100% LERX, and I emailed them earlier asking if they'd make it available separately. However I've since discovered that the twin stick Harriers are all 65% LERX, so I think my eyes deceived me when I was looking at their photos earlier Will, Heritage do produce it separately, however as you say it is a 65% LERX. This was done as Heritage made Gr.5/7/T.10 conversions before there were any RAF boxings available, so the only source kit was the AV-8B+ which needed its 100% LERX replacing! I saw you wanted to build a T.10, therefore the best solution is to use the AV-8B+ as a basis and save the 100% LERX for a GR.7! Cheers, Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx6667 Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Another way of spotting the 100% LERX aircraft are the two little intakes on top of the fuselage. This is due to the original intakes on the leading edge of the wing being faired over by the larger LERX (see Wills pics). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeEaton Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Another way of spotting the 100% LERX aircraft are the two little intakes on top of the fuselage. This is due to the original intakes on the leading edge of the wing being faired over by the larger LERX (see Wills pics). Gives them frog eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calum Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 I'll get it regardless. I want a Gr-7 for the stash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Fleming Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Another way of spotting the 100% LERX aircraft are the two little intakes on top of the fuselage. This is due to the original intakes on the leading edge of the wing being faired over by the larger LERX (see Wills pics). Except so far the GR9s with the 65% LERX have the little intakes added...... http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1116604/L/ Incidentally, the reasons for not re-fitting with 100% LERx are cost and operational need - the LERX was developed to add turning/manouvrability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalguru Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 more importantly, hasegawa should have included a flame thrower and club hammer fo r this kit It is one S.o.b. and hass many other probs apart from the lerks. I would dearly love to find the asshole who said this kit was ready for sale and ram it right up his jakksy The intakes are both innacurate and horrible to assemble, and the wings are wonky- but it does have a lovely litening pod for my F-16 hehee i need my pills.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Its damn complicated, but it has been done, and even a conversion to a T10 is possible - the Harrier SIG proudly displays 1/24 models of both a GR7 and a T10 on its stand (saw them at Telford some years back), amongst the most impressive models I've ever seen frankly!You need a new forward fuselage and raised cockpit with 'bubble' canopy, lengthened tail with reshaped surfaces, different exhausts, new (extra) weapons pylons, different landing gear, then theres all the details, lumps 'n bumps. Its a Harrier, sure, but so much is new that to make a GR3 into a GR5, 7 or 9 (never mind the two seaters) would require an incredibly expansive and difficult amount of scratch building! Not to put you off, cos the results when done well are fabolus, but christ does it take lot of work. One for the advanced modeller and then some, in my view Incidentally the HARSIG's T10 canopy was manufactured from a plastic coke bottle..... You'll need a lot of Milliput and Plastic card - but its do-able (and No! It wasn't me what converted it......!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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