MarkSH Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 The device was called a Camera Obscura. Whilst I agree that tracing is not cheating, and I use it all the time btw, I would still highly recommend drawing from life. tracing will not allow you to develop the eye hand coordination needed to draw with confidence. Be wary of tracing from photographs, the old addage that the camera never lies....should be taken with a pinch of salt, always check, if it looks right it is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-james- Posted February 8, 2010 Author Share Posted February 8, 2010 I talked about the subject to my engineering teacher today, he said we didnt need to know how to do perspective drawing for the exam or any part of the course so wouldnt go through it At least I have you guys to help me Thanks everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilF92 Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 MarkSH is right - I meant to add that copying a photo was useful - but it would be unwise to rely on it (the photo being accurate) . Many suffer from lens distortion with stretched wings or fuselages . Also air to air shots can be warped by the canopy glass they were taken through. That's why you need to study perspective and practice drawing from real life - that way you learn to pick up on any errors in photos you might use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-james- Posted February 8, 2010 Author Share Posted February 8, 2010 (edited) One more thing guys, how do i decide on where the vanishing point is to be? Probably a really silly question but its the one thing im unsure of Trying to do a Tsr 2 atm The canopy is awkward!!! James Edited February 8, 2010 by -james- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSH Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 (edited) James, I have looked at this guy's (See link below) website before and found it to be quite informative (He's also a very good illustrator). His page on perspective grid construction particularly so. http://www.khulsey.com/3_point_perspective.html When constructing a grid remember to take into account the size of the object you are trying to depict. A matchbox does not need a lot of perspective (unless you are an insect of course) a house would need more, but then again it also depends on how close you are to the subject matter, if you are standing right next to a house the perspective will be extreme if you are a hundred yards away all the construction lines will appear more or less parallel. To be honest with you I have never stopped learning about perspective and I've been a Technical Illustrator for over 25 years, as you do more, you rely less on the maths side of things and grid construction and fall back on your own intuition, again if it looks right it is right. However I can't emphasize enough how important it is to learn how to draw before you try to do technical illustration...when I was doing Tech Illustration at college more time was spent in Life class or filling up sketch pads than learning how to construct perspective grids. Sorry if I'm being an old bore. Keep at it you can obviously draw well already. Edited February 8, 2010 by MarkSH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-james- Posted February 8, 2010 Author Share Posted February 8, 2010 Thanks Mark Its encouraging to see all these technical illustrators And you're not being an old bore, its really interesting for me I shall post my latest effort later James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousFO98 Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 tracing! filthy word! they'll be telling you to use bloody rules and set squares next! to be fair there is a time and a place for it James but personally i am agin it. This will go against the grain it seems but am going to stand my ground here! while it will help as a quick fix it will not help you develop your drawing abilities, which you obviously possess. ONLY trace your own drawings if you need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-james- Posted February 8, 2010 Author Share Posted February 8, 2010 (edited) Hi again Anyone any idea where the nose for this Tsr 2 should go? looks weird atm. And ive not started the detailing yet, this is just the rough outline still James and thanks for all the kind comments Edited February 8, 2010 by -james- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousFO98 Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 the nose doesn't look too far off James needs to be more pointed Need to straighten the canopy rear a tad - curves too quickly the starboard intake is looking larger than the port side - you would expext the nearer to look bigger hth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-james- Posted February 8, 2010 Author Share Posted February 8, 2010 Thankyou I have ammended them now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-james- Posted February 10, 2010 Author Share Posted February 10, 2010 Here is a photocopy of my drawing that I have used to try and get things right before doing it on my main drawing Hope you like it up to now Thanks everyone, James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-james- Posted February 10, 2010 Author Share Posted February 10, 2010 im glad it is just a photocopy, noticed ive drawn the lines on the wing incorrectly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousFO98 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 It's wrong- okay you know the important thing is you have noticed and can change it so that is a good thing the canopy is much improved James - well done! the nose still could be a bit sharper also just watch out for the fin - it needs shuftying across to the centre line mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-james- Posted February 10, 2010 Author Share Posted February 10, 2010 So it does! thanks for pointing that out I love having photocopies so I can make changes then go back to the original outline when i am sure of everything and do it right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-james- Posted February 10, 2010 Author Share Posted February 10, 2010 (edited) Well, seeing as that photocopy shown above would have been thrown out, I did some experimenting on it first Opinions please guys Also, what grade pencil should I be using? Im using an F atm and I dont think its giving me the range I need, what would everyone suggest? Thanks James Edited February 10, 2010 by -james- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousFO98 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 really coming along James! keep at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Kelley Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 (edited) The grade of pencil you use really depends on what you are wanting to use it for. For technical drawings and sharpness of line I would use antything from F to 3F. If you are going to shade the drawing then you really need to be looking for a much softer pencil, like a 2B or 3B. I had a set that went to 6B- lokts of smudging Edited February 10, 2010 by scottie_K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-james- Posted February 10, 2010 Author Share Posted February 10, 2010 I think I need to buy a set of a decent range of pencils then Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousFO98 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 try and get a putty rubber as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-james- Posted February 10, 2010 Author Share Posted February 10, 2010 (edited) Looks like a trip into town is in order at the weekend! or maybe to manchester and I can pop into modelzone too I think im making good progress with drawing Edited February 10, 2010 by -james- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilF92 Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 That looks good James - cockpit and tail might be a little bit out scalewise but the overall impression is good . I particularly like the exploded look into the engine which shows you have a good understanding of perspective . Keep at it . Next one will be another leap forward. As for pencils - for sketches - say 2H , HB, 2B ,and 3B are the main ones I use but I've collected a much wider range over many years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-james- Posted February 25, 2010 Author Share Posted February 25, 2010 Hi guys Long time with no updates on progress, had so much work for school to do Anyway, heres probably the only thing i've done worth posting on here from my sketchbook Wanted to do some still life and incorporate perspective into it Hope it all looks alright to you Thanks for all the help everyone James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousFO98 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Hi James good work Look at the angle of the upright boot top. It is tipped towards the viewer too much. If you think of the upright/vertical/shin part of the boot as a cylinder, then the top and bottom of the cylinder are circles. (In plan view) Imagine those circles inscribed in squares- ie the square sides are tangential to the circle Those squares will be planes that obey the same perspective rules as the floor tiles and have the same vanishing point (I am just using single point perspective to keep it simple but it looks about right for the boot anyway) Now inscribe the ellipses back into the planes and Uncle Bob That is harder to say than do lol Obviously the bootleg is not quite a cylinder but is close enough to get the perspective and then fill in the rest to match hope that makes some sort of sense. I know what I mean, which is not always the case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-james- Posted April 29, 2010 Author Share Posted April 29, 2010 Hey guys, ive been swamped with exam work and spending time with my gf etc, not had much chance to do any more drawings nevermind post them on here Anyway, thought id just post a a pic i did a month or so ago Thank you for all of your help Im taking an engineering exam in 2 weeks time So any drawing skills i have picked up will be invaluable to me James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedfellows Posted April 29, 2010 Share Posted April 29, 2010 Looks like all your practice is paying off, i used to love drawing at school, and learnt to use a grid system to do big A3 sketches. My art teacher from school had a pencil drawing of a Hawker Typhoon that i did in class once, that was drawn in the same pose as this one is.... He had it on his wall for years, but god knows where it is now! Keep up the sketching, it will prove fruitful in the future, for many things! Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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