OzH Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 (edited) As normal, I decided to start two similar projects at the same time, this time a couple of Hunters in FAA service. First up will be a GA.11 using the Acadamy F6 PJ's nose, Eduard etch and some help from Aeroclub The T8 will be the Acadamy 9 with Aeroclubs two seat conversion, undercarrage and tail, plus Aires wheel bay I may just make it a T8M if I can dig out a Harrier nose from somewhere (offers welcome!) And I have this little number as backup for anything the rest overlooks! Edited September 16, 2009 by OzH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bradley Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Looking forward to these, Oz! I did the GA.11 with that kit and those accessories a little while ago for the book. Watch out for the PJ under-nose - mine suffered from shrinkage and was too small to use. I ended up modifying the kit part....the rest of the resin was good though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atdb27 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I have only 1 Aeroclub conv set myself and isn't it now deleted from the lists? Indend to mine in the R/W/G scheme of the 70/80's. However look forward to progress Oz. Adrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHREAK Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I'll be watching with interest too, I've got the GA11 in my stash to do as well. Good luck Oz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzH Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 Looking forward to these, Oz! I did the GA.11 with that kit and those accessories a little while ago for the book. Watch out for the PJ under-nose - mine suffered from shrinkage and was too small to use. I ended up modifying the kit part....the rest of the resin was good though. Paul I test fitted mine yesterday and found the same, will have to see what's better, scap plastic on the front end or mod the kit part... Do you have any pictures you can post (as its for a book)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousFO98 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Hi OzH officially jealous looking forward to seeing these built! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notdoneyet Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Looking forward to seeing these built Oz, especially the two seater. Watching with interest. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bradley Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 PaulI test fitted mine yesterday and found the same, will have to see what's better, scap plastic on the front end or mod the kit part... Do you have any pictures you can post (as its for a book)? Frankly, it looked a lot easier to fill in the cannon troughs, which aren't that well defined anyway! PJ does seem to have an issue with shrinkage with certain products - maybe he did these on a cold day.... And the finished product: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) Good luck! Some details pictures of the Brussels Air Museum Hunter F. Mk.4 (BAF ID-46 In fake Red Devils markings as Hunter F.Mk.6 IF-70). V.P. Edited April 18, 2009 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEZ Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Hi OzH, What schemes are you planning to do for the T8 and GA11? Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1POB Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Hi Oz. I had the same problem with my GA.11: So I filled the kit cannons and used the kit part. I have some more info on my build here although I know now I made some mistakes: http://edsaircraft.co.uk/Models/Articles-H...11/1/index.html Cheers, Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 (edited) Hi Oz.I have some more info on my build here although I know now I made some mistakes: Ed Like the right and left elevons down... One must be up, and one must be down. Anyway a beautiful work. In my opinion the worst part of the Academy Hunter kit are the air intakes and you found a fair solution: covers! V.P. Edited February 15, 2011 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzH Posted April 19, 2009 Author Share Posted April 19, 2009 Homebee, great pictures, thanks Tez, I'm planning to do both in the late FRADU EDSG scheme and have them parked next to each other. Paul and Ed, Thanks for the pointers, filling the kit part it is then!! Ed, I don't suppose you have any of those nice drop tank decals left that you'd like to sell/donate to a good cause? Makes all the difference I think. I've started assembling the Academy fuselage and done a bit of surgery. Test fitting the T8 nose, looks ok to me: Went a bit to far here, but I did cut on the panel line, nothing a bit of filler can't sort out though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooksy Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 Nice subjects Oz, and nice progress too. Out of interest, is the Aeroclub 2 seat conversion still available, or is it from deep within the stash? Regards Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEZ Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 "Tez, I'm planning to do both in the late FRADU EDSG scheme and have them parked next to each other". OzH, Apologise if it was a slip on the keyboard, but they were painted up in Dark Sea Grey (like the Sea Harrier FRS.1 during the same time frame). I know one or two sources say EDSG but this is incorrect. Looking forward to seeing these finished. Spent many an hour peering over the wooden fence at Yeovilton watching these lovely aircraft. Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bradley Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 Early FRADU was EDSG over White, but were repainted overall DSG. Oz, I have a spare set of Academy stencilling if you want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) I also have a FRADU Hunter GA.11 in progress! What's new with your T.8/.8M OzH? WIP is here: http://www.master194.com/forum/viewtopic.p...=443399#p443399 I've just broken the right horizontal stabilizer... :shithappens: Currently under repair. Next step details and then Klear/Klir/Future for the brightness. V.P. Edited May 2, 2009 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 You can't have ENOUGH Hunters!!! Looking forward to seeing these two progress. I'm sure you are aware Oz but for the benefit of others who maybe contemplating one of these builds the GA11 was derived from converted F4's so have the small bore 100 series Avon engine - the Academy kits tailpipe area is pretty awful anyway. Good news is that plastic white metal replacement parts are included in John Adam's Aeroclub detail set that you have! Excellent choices!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzH Posted May 1, 2009 Author Share Posted May 1, 2009 Guys, thanks for all the interest, I have been just got hold of some really nice photo's of the T.8M cockpit, quite different from the other 8's and 7's so will start working on that. As for the GA11, I have also gone down the "fill the kit part" route as the resin was much to small, as was the cokpit tub, a real shame as they did look like great bits of resin. I have managed to salvage the IP, just about to add some "Mike Grant" dials, will post some pictures later, hopefully... Homebee, that looks lovely, just checked out your build thread as well, looks great. A question though, I though that the GA11 had the early flaps, without the cutout of the FGA9. I have seen pictures where they definatly had the early flaps, but also pictures where they carry the lager drop tanks that needed the cutout. I know the GA11 were overhalled in 1980, does anyone know if the flaps were modified as part of this programme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 This is going to be a very interesting thread indeed. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenMG Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 A question though, I though that the GA11 had the early flaps, without the cutout of the FGA9. I have seen pictures where they definatly had the early flaps, but also pictures where they carry the lager drop tanks that needed the cutout.I know the GA11 were overhalled in 1980, does anyone know if the flaps were modified as part of this programme? The GA.11s were fitted with the Mod.228 wing and never carried the large 230 gallon tanks, only the 100 gallon tanks (which could be carried on all four pylons). Consequently the flaps were the early style non-cut out jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homebee Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) The GA.11s were fitted with the Mod.228 wing and never carried the large 230 gallon tanks, only the 100 gallon tanks (which could be carried on all four pylons). Consequently the flaps were the early style non-cut out jobs. No GA.11 with FGA.9 type cutout flaps? Let's have a look at this one! Source: http://www.fradu-hunters.co.uk/fraduhnt/864xe689.html GA.11 100 gallon tanks only? And this one? Source: http://www.fradu-hunters.co.uk/fraduhnt/862wv256.html The following FRADU Hunter GA.11 were observed in the eighties equipped with the cutout flaps or large 230 gallon tanks on inner pylons 860/XF300 862/WV256 863/XF368 864/XE689 868/WT744 V.P. Edited May 1, 2009 by Homebee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenMG Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) Fair enough, my reply was too generalised, so let's break it down a bit. The GA.11 was in Fleet Air Arm service between 1962 and 1970. During that time they did not carry 230 gallon tanks and, therefore, no cut-out flaps. Of that I am as certain as I can be. In 1970 they were taken on charge by FRADU, all armament and gunsights removed, radios upgraded, Harley lights fitted (in most cases), and a few others 'tweaks' to suit their new role made. My information does suggest that in some cases provision was made for 230 gallon tanks for specific occasions such as ferrying. You will note from the photo that the bracing strut is not fitted making the tanks non-combat stressed, i.e. suitable for ferry-type flights only. Cut-out / non cut-out flaps are interchangeable so can relatively easily be altered for such flights if required. I believe the actual fitting of 230 gallon tanks to be a relatively rare occurence. That information I gleaned from a very good source and I have no reason to doubt it. As ever, if anyone can prove otherwise then I'd love to know. So, the important thing to remember if modelling a GA.11 is whether it was in FAA or FRADU use as there were differences in the airframe and usage. Incidentally, one point which everyone seems to miss is that the enlarged (to account for the arrestor hook) tail bumper on the GA.11 is further aft than other Hunters. On the GA.11 (and T.8 come to that) the tail bumper straddles the joint of the tailcone and the rear fuselage and so is just over 12" further aft than the other marks. Also, being converted from the F.4, the GA.11 also has a different design of airbrake than the F.6 or FGA.9 kits normally used as a basis for conversion. BTW Homebee, the Hunter has ailerons not elevons. Edited May 1, 2009 by StephenMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 (edited) Interesting.............would it have been a straight forward case of just bolting the bigger tanks on - weighing over twice as much? The wings would need strengthening (as it was in updating the F6 to the FGA9?). In this respect this mod of the early 1980's (nearer 1984 I think) would have maybe done just that? In that case the 230 gall tanks would seem a bit more of a permament arrangement. And as for ferrying...why and to where. FRADU Hunters were often seen at Gibraltar - with smaller tanks. Can't remember seeing them any further afield than that, so why the need for larger tanks just for ferrying? Just a few thoughts........ AND Here's a query from me...Hunters were by now unarmed.... Whats going on here and why? Dated from 1984 GA11 lets rip! Edited May 2, 2009 by Bill Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzH Posted May 2, 2009 Author Share Posted May 2, 2009 Guys, thanks for the imput, I think from this, I could have either full of cutoff, dependent on what era I want to model. Anyway back to the model. The JP tub had shrunk, as was the lower fusulage replacement. So I used the Aeroclub replacement, some eduard etch and airwaves IP dials. before and after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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