Stanhauser Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 (edited) I wonder if anyone cares to explain this camouflage:https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205209687 Thanks in advance Edited April 22, 2018 by Stanhauser 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaddad Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 That's weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcastle Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Very weird - never seen that - looks like wavy square patchwork style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janneman36 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I would expect such camouflage in the central africa region in the fifties but never seen it before!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatFlyHalf Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Extempore? Wonder what the colours would have been? Whatever came to hand probably. FFH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Smith Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 for ease of reference. ROYAL AIR FORCE OPERATIONS IN THE FAR EAST, 1941-1945.. © IWM (CI 1144) IWM Non Commercial License Quote The new Allied Air Commander-in-Chief, South East Asia, Air Marshal Sir Keith Park, talks to Air Vice-Marshal S F Vincent, Air Officer Commanding No. 221 Group RAF, and Group Captain H Goddard, while vising RAF units on the Mandalay Front in Central Burma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nachtwulf Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I got it! I got it! Here is the pattern. i got nothing for the colors though..... Please, please don't tell the Mrs. ( They're quilt patterns ) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killingholme Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 So that's what tartan paint is... 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85sqn Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Have never seen that before, really great spot! Interesting placement of the rear view mirror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mylo66 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Another view https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205207741 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Work In Progress Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 That's the same Stanley Vincent who got Hurricane LF363 overhauled and ran her as his personal aircraft for a couple of years in the late '40s, thereby contributing to her survival to the present day The Harvard scheme is profoundly odd and rather wonderful. Never seen anything like it on a WW2 RAF type before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Probably knitted by the local W.I. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tempestfan Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 „One night in Bangkok“ from the musical „CHESS“ ?! I know Bangkok is in Thailand not Burma... Now who’s the first to produce lozenge-style decals for this most interesting scheme? Thanks for finding it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Ok I've been following this thread since it started. Two questions I have to ask. What colors does everyone think are used ? 2nd question would be is Anyone thinking of building it ? Thats a WIP i would definitely follow. Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 One could guesstimate colours of this scheme but what about other markings? Lozenge camouflaged Harvard could have easily been marked with early WWI Union Jacks instead of roundels, with squadron codes in Cyrillic script and pink serial, shadowed in light blue. Not to mention that neither serial nor codes (if they had been applied at all) are known. Otherwise, yes, it would make most interesting model. Cheers Jure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillidragon Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 A valid point, but the most ridiculously extreme Reductio ad Absurd(issim)am argument I've ever heard. There's not enough information by far for me to attempt a build (even if the subject appealed to me), but let us not ridicule those brave souls who might now spend serious time and brainpower trying to work something out! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 OK, trying a little logic, the base colour would be yellow and this therefore is likely to be the lightest colour (and the underside?). The two obvious camouflage (hah!) colours would be Dark Green and Dark Earth, with the DG being the darker shade. It doesn't help that the starboard side isn't clearly in three colours, and the wing pattern isn't visible.. There were quite a lot of Harvards rattling about in SEAC so finding a serial would be difficult. I can imagine going very carefully through every Mk.IIB in The Harvard File and not getting a clue other than eliminating all those not in SEAC. I'd have expected Vincent's personal aircraft (as it surely is) to carry either his initials (SV or SJV) forward of the fuselage roundel and an AVM pennant under the forward cockpit. There's no sign of either, so presumably he felt that the distinctive paint scheme would be sufficient. Horrors - it could even be a T-16 handed over by the USAAF. Yes, they did have some in the China-Burma theatre. But they were only MK.IIBs anyway, in civilised lingo, as far as modelling is concerned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I'd go along with Grahams colour suggestion and very possibly SEAC roundels maybe?? Who knows??? We could have a special GB of building this one in whatever pattern colours we think it was in. As for the serial perhaps it was overpainted except the underside ones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPuente54 Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Graham, if you look closely and carefully; you can see that the wing has the same wavy square pattern as the fuselage. It is hard to see; but it is there. It's just not as obvious. Colors, though, anyone's guess. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jure Miljevic Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Chillidragon, I went slightly over the top but such a non plus ultra praise for my comment? Now I have no choice but to join those brave souls, as you so delicately put it, frantically searching for clues to make sense from (lack of) information on the subject. Cheers Jure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Russell Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Which does answer the OP's title question but sheds no light on his text question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanhauser Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) Martin Pengelly published these two images at Facebook's T-6 Harvard & SNJ "The Pilot Maker" group: Edited April 24, 2018 by Stanhauser 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanhauser Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 The more I look to this image above, the more it appears that the lighter color was applied over the dark color. The lighter one seems to be applied roughly, we can see the brush marks on the edges of each square... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaddad Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 I'd agree with Grahams suggestion that the lighter colour could be yellow but I think the darker colour could be red. Who says the aircraft has to be in camouflage colours? If the Harvard was being utiilsed as a temporary utility transport for the important man in an area where there were a lot of aggressive young men looking for anything even remotely Japanese looking to shoot at high visibility may have been a distinct advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) Weird camouflage, indeed....looks like something from Mary Quant's drawing board.... maybe something similiar to those camouflage tested by the USAAC during the prewar years...??? Anyway, the best thing in that second pic is the raised rivet pattern and overlapping panels.....some people should take good note.... Cheers Edited April 24, 2018 by Artie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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