Mil Mi-24 Hind - Revell 1/72

[giemme]

Lovely metal job, Ced Very convincing

 

Ciao

[Spookytooth]

Those engines look good sir .

 

Simon.

[71chally]

Corr, lovely pair of Klimovs there Ced!

[Beard]

5 hours ago, CedB said:

Simon (Beard) put me onto Vallejo's 'exhaust manifold' so I brushed that on the exhausts

Not me guv' (although they look good enough for me to claim credit).

Edited April 21, 2018 by Beard
to add a bracket.

[perdu]

Very excellent, this is gonna be another Bufton Tour-De-Force

 

[rob85]

Lovely work, really like how the colour has turned out.

 

Rob

[TheBaron]

As colleagues have already noted Comrade Cedric, you have produced superior visual  results in the matter of your propulsive elements. This indicates a positive outcome moving forward into the second quarter of your helicopter fulfillment plan.

[The Spadgent]

Loving that colour on the insides. Everything is looking great btw. Should you have glued those exhaust bits before painting? In case of Seam madness. 

 

Johnny ask a silly question. 

[CedB]

Thanks Giorgio, Spookytooth, James, Bill and Rob

Simon (Beard) that's odd, senior moment... I had a search and it may have been Stew but lost in the past... of my lousy memory

Comrade Tony I thank you for your confirmation that I am on plan. I hope to be able to serve the party into the future

Johnny of course you're right. What was I thinking? I'm an idiot. but an idiot with shiny fingers after cleaning up the seams before the wax had dried properly:

 

 

They've been touched up and are now ready for tiny little bits to be added. As I'm still a bit jaded after yesterday's celebrations, best left to the morrow methinks

[The Spadgent]

Sorry I didn’t mean for you to get silveritis.  if it’s any consolation I bought some of that thar paste stuff from the LMS on Thursday after seeing your results on the cockpit bits ‘n’ bobs. As you remember it was a bit hot that day. I unscrewed the top at work to see what all the fuss was about and it oozed out everywhere. Be careful of ze heat and ze tube. I had robot fingers that day too. 

 

Is that a citidel seam scraper by the way?

 

glad it’s all turned out good in the end.

 

Johnny red.

[Biggles87]

Lovely metal finish, he said at the risk of repetition.

I have just received a Micro-Mark catalogue ( bought me raised rivets from them ) and you should see the tools in that, powered mini chisels, stainless steel micro pliers, aerospace style angled mini shears, are you salivating yet?

 

John

PS do you think that Russian aircrew are always relaxed and laid back because of the restful cockpit colour?

[CedB]

Thanks Johnny No worries, I'm used to getting this stuff on me when I don't let it dry enough or spread it on too thick.

I've had similar problems with the tubes. I guess wax in a metal tube is OK if (as I do now) they're stored with the top, er, at the top. If not any air in the tube is going to expand and push the stuff out. Comes off easily with white spirit though (also used to thin it).

Yep, it is a Citadel seam scraper - great tool for getting into small spaces.

 

Thanks John - oooh, a new Micro-Mark catalog? 'Modellers porn' eh... must have a look

 

 

This morning it was time to stop faffing around and get some fiddly bits done - I can't leave the gearbox on the bench forever.

Gathering my mojo I wobbled the gearbox, intake / support and floor roughly into position and moved them around until there were a suitable number of clicky noises and then offered it up to the fuselage half. Of course that knocked things out of position. You know how this goes, inevitably through the five stages of fiddly fitting: confidence, caring, slipping, cursing and brutality.

With only the gearbox and intakes glued, here's the dry fit:

 

 

I know what the problem is now - the gearbox is at a slight angle:

 

 

If it's not like that on the real thing, keep it quiet there's a good chap.

 

I've also assembled two of these beauties:

 

 

Pondering a suitable wash...

[perdu]

A small helicopters lesson for the less-initiated...

Helicopter gearboxes usually have a certain amount of built-in angle which in flight aids the forward direction of flight

If my jaded memory assists me here for example Wessex has about five degrees of built in LEAN to the front

 

I am in no doubt that the MIL factory fly theirs under the same principles

 

I'm prepared, nay overjoyed, for anyone more conversant to correct my guesstimated configuration angle

😊

 

 

Oh arr

Nice worky bits Ced

 

Less nice fingers, mind that on your toast at brekky

Edited April 23, 2018 by perdu

[Courageous]

1 hour ago, CedB said:

the gearbox is at a slight angle:

Looks about 5 degrees to me .

If your intention is to leave those gearbox access doors/ panels off, I would give that gearbox a wash.

Carry on good sir.

[AdrianMF]

Gosh, just caught up. Don't know how I missed this one! It certainly seems to be a complicated beast.

 

Did I see you several pages back using a Revell colour straight from the tin without mixing at least three of them together first ?  What is the world coming to? How can they have "Russian Helicopter interior green" when they don't do "Sky"??

 

Regards,

Adrian

[71chally]

7 hours ago, perdu said:

A small helicopters lesson for the less-initiated...

Helicopter gearboxes usually have a certain amount of built-in angle which in flight aids the forward direction of flight

If my jaded memory assists me here for example Wessex has about five degrees of built in LEAN to the front

 

I am in no doubt that the MIL factory fly theirs under the same principles

You're right there Bill, many helicopters have their gearboxes angled or offset slightly, usually a trade off to get the damn thing to fly properly.

However it is for this reason that Mil twisted the fuselage over by 2 1/2 degrees, I really don't know if the gearbox was further angled through other axis or not though.

 

Cracking work again Ced, really enjoying watching your Hind come to together.

In fact you persuaded me to buy this kit, a tenner on the bay of E's!

[CedB]

8 hours ago, perdu said:

A small helicopters lesson for the less-initiated...

Helicopter gearboxes usually have a certain amount of built-in angle which in flight aids the forward direction of flight

If my jaded memory assists me here for example Wessex has about five degrees of built in LEAN to the front

 

I am in no doubt that the MIL factory fly theirs under the same principles

 

I'm prepared, nay overjoyed, for anyone more conversant to correct my guesstimated configuration angle

😊

 

 

Oh arr

Nice worky bits Ced

 

Less nice fingers, mind that on your toast at brekky

1 hour ago, 71chally said:

You're right there Bill, many helicopters have their gearboxes angled or offset slightly, usually a trade off to get the damn thing to fly properly.

However it is for this reason that Mil twisted the fuselage over by 2 1/2 degrees, I really don't know if the gearbox was further angled through other axis or not though.

 

Cracking work again Ced, really enjoying watching your Hind come to together.

In fact you persuaded me to buy this kit, a tenner on the bay of E's!

Thanks Bill and James - nice to increase my chopper knowledge and see that something is right!

 

8 hours ago, Courageous said:

Looks about 5 degrees to me .

If your intention is to leave those gearbox access doors/ panels off, I would give that gearbox a wash.

Carry on good sir.

Thanks Stuart Washed it shall be!

 

7 hours ago, AdrianMF said:

Gosh, just caught up. Don't know how I missed this one! It certainly seems to be a complicated beast.

 

Did I see you several pages back using a Revell colour straight from the tin without mixing at least three of them together first ?  What is the world coming to? How can they have "Russian Helicopter interior green" when they don't do "Sky"??

 

Regards,

Adrian

Thanks Adrian and nice to have you along I think the Revell colour plans are 'close enough' in some cases and, where they obviously don't know and suggest a mix I'm guessing too from my paint stash.

 

 

So, 5 degrees eh? That looks good then, so I can dry fit the parts again and gently ease the gearbox supports so that - SPROING!:

 

 

 

Dammit (was one of the more postable words that issued from my potty mouth) Easily fixed though with some rod:

 

 

Don't look Bill, Hendie, Nigel, Crisp... or anyone else who properly models helicopters. It'll be inside, honest, and rarely seen. I know that's no excuse, but it is my reason

 

That done I do have a bit more confidence that this lot will go together:

 

 

... so I'm going to press on tomorrow.

[Spookytooth]

Well Ced, nice going there.

Trying to pack that lot into a small space and hoping it fits is a task I do not envy.

 

She looks good sir.

Simon.

[bbudde]

Ah, not bashing this one into submision? Good to see so. The result will prove it to you. Cheers

This sounds somewhat rude in english after reading it after an hour, which isn't meant so

So in German:  Ach diesmal nicht nur zusammen geklebt (gekleistert/rude) ? Gut so/Gut das so zu sehen. Das zeigt Dir das Ergebnis zum Schluss/wird Dir das Ergebnis zum Schluss zeigen. So I feel more comfortable to tell you so. Cheers again

Edited April 24, 2018 by bbudde

[keefr22]

2 hours ago, CedB said:

That done I do have a bit more confidence that this lot will go together:

 

 

One thing just struck me Ced (and it wasn't the missus this time!), if the crew are in there ready to fly & the engine/gearbox doors are open, I think it would be a good ploy to have a mechanic figure doing something like hitting the gearbox with a big hammer to suggest there's been a last minute glitch before take off. Otherwise Ivan Pilot & his cohort should face a big fine for the squadron's beer fund for being so lax on their walkround....!!

 

Keith

[The Spadgent]

Looking great Ced. Don’t you dare get me thinking about building helicopters.    Dang! Already thinking about it.

[amblypygid]

Looking really good so far, Ced.

[perdu]

Well they obviously didn't mould the struts in Russia Ced

I get the impression there's nothing on a Hind that could possibly bend under stress

 

Your strut looks good to me, yup Ced welcome to the merry world of wobblechoptery

 

Go get 'em cowboy...

 

Ah

 

Well, you know what I mean...

 

😟

[CedB]

14 hours ago, Spookytooth said:

Well Ced, nice going there.

Trying to pack that lot into a small space and hoping it fits is a task I do not envy.

 

She looks good sir.

Simon.

Thanks Simon - it's a pain... small spaces I'm used to but more than two or three parts that 'fit together' but have no firm locating points, not so much

 

13 hours ago, bbudde said:

Ah, not bashing this one into submision? Good to see so. The result will prove it to you. Cheers

This sounds somewhat rude in english after reading it after an hour, which isn't meant so

So in German:  Ach diesmal nicht nur zusammen geklebt (gekleistert/rude) ? Gut so/Gut das so zu sehen. Das zeigt Dir das Ergebnis zum Schluss/wird Dir das Ergebnis zum Schluss zeigen. So I feel more comfortable to tell you so. Cheers again

Thanks Benedikt - not rude at all I am liking all the detail...

 

12 hours ago, keefr22 said:

 

One thing just struck me Ced (and it wasn't the missus this time!), if the crew are in there ready to fly & the engine/gearbox doors are open, I think it would be a good ploy to have a mechanic figure doing something like hitting the gearbox with a big hammer to suggest there's been a last minute glitch before take off. Otherwise Ivan Pilot & his cohort should face a big fine for the squadron's beer fund for being so lax on their walkround....!!

 

Keith

Thanks Keith Hmmm, you have a point. If I do have her on the ground I might look for a suitable maintenance man figure...

 

12 hours ago, The Spadgent said:

Looking great Ced. Don’t you dare get me thinking about building helicopters.    Dang! Already thinking about it.

Thanks Johnny Sorry, I blame Nigel, then Bill, then Hendie in that order! I don't think I'll be building that many more though.

 

3 hours ago, amblypygid said:

Looking really good so far, Ced.

Thanks Chris

 

2 hours ago, perdu said:

Well they obviously didn't mould the struts in Russia Ced

I get the impression there's nothing on a Hind that could possibly bend under stress

 

Your strut looks good to me, yup Ced welcome to the merry world of wobblechoptery

 

Go get 'em cowboy...

 

Ah

 

Well, you know what I mean...

 

😟

Thanks Bill I know, she's a tough bird. I'm not sure I'll meet your level of wobblechoptery but Yee Ha!

 

 

Late start this morning and I'm out to lunch with a mate today so no safe modelling later. With that in mind I decided to try some washes. I seem to have built up a big collection of stuff for plastering on models to mess them up:

 

 

... but it's been a while since I've splashed any on the inside of anything so time for some tests. I blobbed some on the ejector mark and then brushed up the bowl, all photos while still wet:

 

 

The Flory is mixed dark dirt and white to give, er, lighter dirt. I've used this recently and I like it (a lot) but it normally needs wiping off and I'm not confident doing that on small parts.

 

The selected enamel set:

 

 

I'll see what they're like later when they've dried.

[Spookytooth]

41 minutes ago, CedB said:

. but it's been a while since I've splashed any on the inside of anything

That is more information than we need to know there Ced LOL.

 

Enjoy your meal sir.

And remember, alternative arms with each pint/drink( an easy work out).

 

Simon.