28ZComeback Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Greetings all. I seem to recall reading about an encounter between a P-63 Kingcobra and USAF B-24 or B-29 during the early Cold War (c1945-1947) period near Manchuria. Can anyone help me with references or a source of information on this incident? Thank you in advance for any assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsairfoxfouruncle Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Pretty sure it was a B-24, I couldn't tell you the unit involved though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XV107 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 If it's the incident I'm thinking of, it was a couple of B-24s. They were sent to conduct a recce of the Kuril islands after the Soviets had occupied them, and some P-63s were sent up by the Soviets to usher them away. The aircraft were from the 28th Bombardment Group, which conducted a number of recces over the Kurils in late August and early September 1945. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, XV107 said: If it's the incident I'm thinking of, it was a couple of B-24s. They were sent to conduct a recce of the Kuril islands after the Soviets had occupied them, and some P-63s were sent up by the Soviets to usher them away. The aircraft were from the 28th Bombardment Group, which conducted a number of recces over the Kurils in late August and early September 1945. According to North Pacific Skies, on September 4, 1945, two B-24's from the 404th BG were intercepted by 15 P-63's over the Kuriles that were scrambled from Shimushu, the lead plane signaled to the B-24's to land, but was ignored. After following the two Liberators for a considerable distance, they broke off. Previous to this incident, PB4Y-2 Privateers had been flying recon missions over Kurile airspace without interference. Mike Edited March 25, 2018 by 72modeler corrected spelling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
28ZComeback Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 Thanks all! I appreciate the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) On 25.03.2018 at 3:26 AM, 72modeler said: According to North Pacific Skies, on September 4, 1945, two B-24's from the 404th BG were intercepted by 15 P-63's over the Kuriles that were scrambled from Shimushu, the lead plane signaled to the B-24's to land, but was ignored. After following the two Liberators for a considerable distance, they broke off. Previous to this incident, PB4Y-2 Privateers had been flying recon missions over Kurile airspace without interference. Mike Thanks, very interestingly! In Russian-speaking sources there is no mention of this incident. In Russian-speaking the Internet, also, there are practically no mentions of incidents with participation Soviet P-63. All incidents about which I have read in the Russian sources with participation of B-24 are connected generally with La-11. B.R. Serge Edited March 26, 2018 by Aardvark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Boak Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Rather too early for La.11s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 hours ago, Graham Boak said: Rather too early for La.11s. I agree, as the La-11 prototype didn't fly until 1947, IIRC, and the only recorded combat I could find was a PB4Y-2 Privateer that was shot down by an La-11 in 1950 over the Baltic Sea. I think Banshees or Panthers were then assigned to escort Privateers to prevent any further attacks. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Graham Boak said: Rather too early for La.11s. You not understand my. Russian record talk about anything, about P-39 intercept C-47 over Vienna, about MiG-17 don't success intercept RAF B-45 over Kiev, about Tu-14 Soviet Pacific fleet shot down from frendly fire MiG-15bis , e.t.c, e.t.c. But nobody not talk about P-63 intercept. Talking about only one incident with P-63 when USAF P-80 make navigation mistake and made ground attack Soviet airfield with P-63. But many incidents we in Russian internet don't know. Therefore, about two B-24's intercepted by 15 P-63's over the Kuriles that very interestingly. 2 hours ago, 72modeler said: I agree, as the La-11 prototype didn't fly until 1947 I know. But I do not have to argue that the La-11 something intercepted in 1945 or 1947. 2 hours ago, 72modeler said: only recorded combat I could find was a PB4Y-2 Privateer that was shot down by an La-11 in 1950 over the Baltic Sea Not only. Russian resource talk about intercept La-11: - On November 6, 1951 the patrol plane "Neptune" P2V-3W 124283 of a squadron VP-6 of US Navies performed a task on investigation of weather over the Sea of Japan. I have made take-off from airfield of Atsugi at 05:27. At 06:46 crew (commander of Lt. Judd C. Hodgson) has reported on the beginning of work and in the course of flight reported about weather on a route, last time having contacted at 08:50. Further the plane has gone off-course, has entered airspace of the USSR and has been intercepted by pair of the La-11 fighters of the 88th GIAP Pacific fleet (the host of the Art. of l-t I.Ya. Lukashev conducted by the Art. of l-t M.K. Schukin). In attempt to force the violator to landing, P2V to the given commands I didn't react, and I have opened defensive fire. Then, at 10:10, has been attacked by VPU fire and it is brought down at the cape Ostrovnoi. The crew as a part of 10 people has died. - On October 7, 1952 — the RB-29 Superfortress reconnaissance aircraft (рег. number the 44-61815, 91 strategic prospecting squadron of the U.S. Air Force) is brought down over the southern islands of Kuril Ridge the Soviet La-11 fighters (pilots — Zhiryakov, Lesnov). All 8 crew members of the plane have died. - Edited March 26, 2018 by Aardvark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72modeler Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) I was aware of the P2V incident but was only responding to 28Z's questions about P-63's intercepting B-24's, so didn't think it was relevant to the discussion, especially as it took place in 1954 and was over the Sea of Japan. I certainly am no expert, I was just quoting what I was able to find in written references; I am sure there are numerous incidents that took place that neither side would like to discuss. There were two or three units of the Soviet naval air forces that had P-63's based in the Kuriles at the time, but the poster really was just asking about whether it was a B-29 or some other bomber that was intercepted by Soviet Kingcobras in the Kuriles area. Mike Edited March 27, 2018 by 72modeler corrected date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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