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Question about Soviet P-63 incident with USAF recon ship


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Greetings all.  I seem to recall reading about an encounter between a P-63 Kingcobra and USAF B-24 or B-29 during the early Cold War (c1945-1947) period near Manchuria. Can anyone help me with references or a source of information on this incident? Thank you in advance for any assistance. 

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If it's the incident I'm thinking of, it was a couple of B-24s. They were sent to conduct a recce of the Kuril islands after the Soviets had occupied them, and some P-63s were sent up by the Soviets to usher them away. The aircraft were from the 28th Bombardment Group, which conducted a number of recces over the Kurils in late August and early September 1945.

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19 hours ago, XV107 said:

If it's the incident I'm thinking of, it was a couple of B-24s. They were sent to conduct a recce of the Kuril islands after the Soviets had occupied them, and some P-63s were sent up by the Soviets to usher them away. The aircraft were from the 28th Bombardment Group, which conducted a number of recces over the Kurils in late August and early September 1945.

According to North Pacific Skies,  on September 4, 1945, two B-24's from the 404th BG were intercepted by 15 P-63's over the Kuriles  that were scrambled from Shimushu, the lead plane signaled to the B-24's to land, but was ignored. After following the two Liberators for a considerable distance, they broke off. Previous to this incident, PB4Y-2 Privateers had been flying recon missions over Kurile airspace without interference.

 Mike

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On 25.03.2018 at 3:26 AM, 72modeler said:

According to North Pacific Skies,  on September 4, 1945, two B-24's from the 404th BG were intercepted by 15 P-63's over the Kuriles  that were scrambled from Shimushu, the lead plane signaled to the B-24's to land, but was ignored. After following the two Liberators for a considerable distance, they broke off. Previous to this incident, PB4Y-2 Privateers had been flying recon missions over Kurile airspace without interference.

 Mike

Thanks, very interestingly!
In Russian-speaking sources there is no mention of this incident.
In Russian-speaking the Internet, also, there are practically no mentions of incidents with participation Soviet P-63.
All incidents about which I have read in the Russian sources with participation of B-24 are connected generally with La-11.

 

B.R.

Serge

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3 hours ago, Graham Boak said:

Rather too early for La.11s.

I agree, as the La-11 prototype didn't fly until 1947, IIRC, and the only recorded combat I could find was a PB4Y-2 Privateer that was shot down by an La-11 in 1950 over the Baltic Sea. I think Banshees or Panthers were then assigned to escort Privateers to prevent any further attacks.

Mike

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6 hours ago, Graham Boak said:

Rather too early for La.11s.

You not understand my.

Russian record talk about anything, about P-39 intercept C-47 over Vienna, about MiG-17 

don't success intercept RAF B-45 over Kiev, about Tu-14 Soviet Pacific fleet shot down from frendly fire MiG-15bis , e.t.c, e.t.c.

But nobody not talk about P-63 intercept.

Talking about only one incident with P-63 when USAF P-80 make navigation mistake and made ground attack Soviet airfield with P-63.

 

But many incidents we in Russian internet don't know.

 

Therefore, about  

two B-24's intercepted by 15 P-63's over the Kuriles  that  very interestingly.

2 hours ago, 72modeler said:

I agree, as the La-11 prototype didn't fly until 1947

I know. But I do not have to argue that the La-11 something intercepted in 1945 or 1947.

2 hours ago, 72modeler said:

only recorded combat I could find was a PB4Y-2 Privateer that was shot down by an La-11 in 1950 over the Baltic Sea

Not only.

Russian resource talk about intercept La-11:

- On November 6, 1951 the patrol plane "Neptune" P2V-3W 124283 of a squadron VP-6 of US Navies performed a task on investigation of weather over the Sea of Japan. I have made take-off from airfield of Atsugi at 05:27. At 06:46 crew (commander of Lt. Judd C. Hodgson) has reported on the beginning of work and in the course of flight reported about weather on a route, last time having contacted at 08:50. Further the plane has gone off-course, has entered airspace of the USSR and has been intercepted by pair of the La-11 fighters of the 88th GIAP  Pacific fleet  (the host of the Art. of l-t I.Ya. Lukashev conducted by the Art. of l-t M.K. Schukin). In attempt to force the violator to landing, P2V to the given commands I didn't react, and I have opened defensive fire. Then, at 10:10, has been attacked by VPU fire and it is brought down at the cape Ostrovnoi. The crew as a part of 10 people has died.

- On October 7, 1952 — the RB-29 Superfortress reconnaissance aircraft (рег. number the 44-61815, 91 strategic prospecting squadron of the U.S. Air Force) is brought down over the southern islands of Kuril Ridge the Soviet La-11 fighters (pilots — Zhiryakov, Lesnov). All 8 crew members of the plane have died.

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I was aware of the P2V incident but was only responding to 28Z's questions about P-63's intercepting B-24's, so didn't think it was relevant to the discussion, especially as it took place  in 1954 and was over the Sea of Japan. I certainly am no expert, I was just quoting what I was able to find in written references; I am sure there are numerous incidents that took place that neither side would like to discuss. There were two or three units of the Soviet naval air forces that had P-63's based in the Kuriles  at the time, but the poster really was just asking about whether it was a B-29 or some other bomber that was intercepted by Soviet Kingcobras in the Kuriles area.

Mike

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