c.smith10 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Red arrow 3 has reportedly crashed at RAF valley. Pilot ejected, condition unknown, fingers crossed. https://www.aviationwales.com/pilot-ejects-as-red-arrow-crashes-at-raf-valley/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Another site with some info here https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/raf-valley-anglesey-crash-plane-14435702?utm_source=google_news&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=google_news&utm_content=sitemap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnT Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 BBC report understood to be 2 on board but no more info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cngaero Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 BBC News is reporting that a Red Arrows Hawk has crashed at Valley this afternoon with unconfirmed reports of two on board. Witnesses have said that one parachute was seen. Fingers crossed for both crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) Gone to the first thread... Edited March 20, 2018 by bzn20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootneck Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Already being covered here. Let's not have lots of thread going on this Mike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Looks like it isn't display team flying but leaving for Scampton. Only one 'chute seen was reported but witnesses often get things wrong. Lets hope so anyway. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-43476222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cngaero Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, bootneck said: Already being covered here. Let's not have lots of thread going on this Mike Sorry Mike, I wasn't aware of another thread running. Please feel free to move or delete my post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaddad Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) Just been announced on six-o-clock news Hawk has crashed at Valley - no details. Edited March 20, 2018 by spaddad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artie Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 AFAIK, it was No 3 plane.....They said the pilot was (fortunately) able to bail out...nothing about the crash...God willing, no one have been injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spaddad Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Can the mods please delete this (duplicate)thread please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 The news sites have been updated. The pilot survived but the engineer onboard has died in the crash. So sad. My thoughts are with the engineer's family, friends and colleagues and of course with the pilot. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete in Lincs Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Mine too. I'm just up the road from Scampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Fox Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 A tragic loss . I hope the pilot is not too badly injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Done a b it of tidying up of the duplicates, and I'm very sad to hear about the engineer not making it out. That's very sad for his family and will doubtless also be hard for the pilot to bear due to survivor's guilt 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bentwaters81tfw Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Sad loss for the team and family. MoD earlier said they suffered a bird strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cngaero Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 My deepest condolences to all those involved with the Reds and the Blues and especially to the family of the Engineer who lost his life today . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzn20 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 6 hours ago, bzn20 said: I feel so sorry for that Rigger, Lecky, Sumpy or whatever trade he was. The day he went to the Reds it would have made his day. Get to ride in the back seat, travel all over the place and treated like celebrities and get invited to all kinds of events. Its so sad. RIP Question.. Have they got an ejection master switch in Hawks so the Pilot that can bang out the back seater too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troffa Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 According to this old thread on Pprune the Hawk T1 did have Command eject. No Idea if the current service aircraft have this system operative or in use. https://www.pprune.org/military-aviation/523135-command-ejections.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phone Phixer Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 A very sad day for all involved, but especially for the Blues. You get the fast jet back seat jollies or get on the Reds flying circus, never thinking that you may have to take the Martin Baker option. As mentioned in the pprune thread, the Hawk command ejection selector is on the rear cockpit bulkhead. It only has 2 options, off or rear initiated. As its a trainer, the instructor would be in the back and have control of it. No selection for the front seat to initiate the back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Cornes Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I was thinking about command eject last night. In the days of health and safety awareness, you would have thought it would be SOP in the Reds for command eject to be selected 'on' whenever flying non-aircrew in the back seat. I suspect the chaps family may consult a solicitor on the grounds of negligence and that procedures will change, and in this sort of circumstance it would be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie @ Sovereign Hobbies Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, Simon Cornes said: I was thinking about command eject last night. In the days of health and safety awareness, you would have thought it would be SOP in the Reds for command eject to be selected 'on' whenever flying non-aircrew in the back seat. I suspect the chaps family may consult a solicitor on the grounds of negligence and that procedures will change, and in this sort of circumstance it would be a good thing. As per the post prior though, the Hawk's command eject works the other way around. As designed, the experienced instructor sits in the back and can bang out the inexperienced student sitting in the front. The "Student" in the front seat can't bang out the "instructor" in the back. The issue, if there is one, is that the commander sits in the 'wrong' seat in the Red Arrows. When a typical Hawk student is flying solo and is thus the commander, this isn't an issue because he ejects himself anyway. To work such that the Red Arrows command seat could eject both would have required the system to be reversed. I have not seen the system, so cannot comment on how easy or difficult it would be to implement such a change. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr22 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 54 minutes ago, Simon Cornes said: I suspect the chaps family may consult a solicitor on the grounds of negligence.... I'm sure that all the people who get to fly in the back seat of a Hawk get thorough (& refresher, if they do it on a regular basis) training in how to use the ejection seat and the procedures involved. The investigation into this tragic accident will only just be beginning, there could be any number of reasons why it happened. Isn't it a little early to speculate and get ambulance chasers involved...... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Batt Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, keefr22 said: I'm sure that all the people who get to fly in the back seat of a Hawk get thorough (& refresher, if they do it on a regular basis) training in how to use the ejection seat and the procedures involved. The investigation into this tragic accident will only just be beginning, there could be any number of reasons why it happened. Isn't it a little early to speculate and get ambulance chasers involved...... You're not taking into account that the "course" could be only the day before, it's a massive amount of information to take in and only a fractional amount will be absorbed because of the stress/excitement/adrenalin/anticipation, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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